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Trump cracks down on Pakistan, U.S. cuts military training programs

PAK - US relations should exist at a certain level [not for our PERSONAL LIKING] but for geopolitical reasons and our survival. There must be a salvaging point.
after number of action by US it is evident that US no more want have normal relations with Pakistan, so no amount of effort from our side will restore it.
Keep in mind that [God Forbid] US decide to turn on us ; WE will be ALONE. PAK - CHEEN DOSTI will not matter and make any difference. Rest of the world will watch spectacular fireworks from distance. This is the kind of world we live in. Everybody on his own.
What we are witnessing is the application of the strategy of Deterrence by Denial form US for its ally in the region against Pakistan, recent statement of Mike Pompeo, cancellation of training program for Pakistan's military officials, delaying the delivery of AH-1Z gunships are just few recent examples for this stategy.

Now the important question is 'Why and When' US will adopt the strategy of Deterrence by Punishment for Pakistan.

For the Why part we must understand there is no interest of US in this region which is undermined or threatened by Pakistan or ever will be in the future so there is no direct conflict between the two countries, but Pakistan in alliance with China is endangering the influence of US ally in the region and could act as a counter balance in the region so in this case IF they ever decide to PUNISH Pakistan it will be the ally of US which will lead the action with the support of US.

This scenario will also serve the interest of US MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

Form Pakistan's perspective at this stage the more important question is Can we deny the current and future action of US ally in this region .... ??
 
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Hi,

How stupid are the children of my motherland---!!!

This is the begining of a devastating news to come---.

Did you idiots think that america alone was making pakistan generals think of america in favorable terms---you dumb fcks---the pakistan military officers were doing the same thing with the american officers---building relationships to favor pakistan in the future---.

What a bunch of morons you kids are---. You just could not learn and understand to handle the USA---and as you failed---to try to hide your failure and embarrassment and incompetence---you are shouting cheers---whereas you should be embarrassed at your failres and hide your face in shame that you failed miserably on the world forum one more time---.

That shows---how incompetent people as a nation that you are---.

I am just astounded at these expressions of young pakistanis---.
 
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Hi,

How stupid are the children of my motherland---!!!

This is the begining of a devastating news to come---.

Did you idiots think that america alone was making pakistan generals think of america in favorable terms---you dumb fcks---the pakistan military officers were doing the same thing with the american officers---building relationships to favor pakistan in the future---.

What a bunch of morons you kids are---. You just could not learn and understand to handle the USA---and as you failed---to try to hide your failure and embarrassment and incompetence---you are shouting cheers---whereas you should be embarrassed at your failres and hide your face in shame that you failed miserably on the world forum one more time---.

That shows---how incompetent people as a nation that you are---.

I am just astounded at these expressions of young pakistanis---.
I was about to type something like this but stopped as I dont wanted to be trolled. U are absolutely right , this was a two way traffic.
 
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Hi,

How stupid are the children of my motherland---!!!

This is the begining of a devastating news to come---.

Did you idiots think that america alone was making pakistan generals think of america in favorable terms---you dumb fcks---the pakistan military officers were doing the same thing with the american officers---building relationships to favor pakistan in the future---.

What a bunch of morons you kids are---. You just could not learn and understand to handle the USA---and as you failed---to try to hide your failure and embarrassment and incompetence---you are shouting cheers---whereas you should be embarrassed at your failres and hide your face in shame that you failed miserably on the world forum one more time---.

That shows---how incompetent people as a nation that you are---.

I am just astounded at these expressions of young pakistanis---.
People are jumping after this news as it will boost our economy. We just failed to convey the positive aspects and our involvement, our crucial role on war against terrorism. Mistrust increased after Osama bin ladin episode. Also I think U.S.A don't want our good relation with China.
 
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The U.S more than any other country has the ability to exploit our internal weaknesses [PTM was just a preview]. This is no time to take on the Americans particularly with Trump in-charge. Pakistan with our grand image is an easy sell to the American public as an enemy state infact that is true all across the west.

As IK said Pakistan should go for a mutually beneficial relationship with the Americans. Their concerns vis-a-vis Afghanistan should be addressed however no compromise on our China policy.
 
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The USA is opening too many fronts simultaneously!!! It's always been a policy of disaster!!!!! On top of it they're acting in haste and with anger!!! Their actions are putting folks with diverse interests and backgrounds together in unison with a fearful apprehension about the USA!! From the US perspectives, they shouldn't be hanging out together at all!!!! For the serious US policy makers now is the time to panic!!!!!
 
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Pakistan should either block their supply routes or charge them an extortionate
amount.
 
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Military training programs are only a means of establishing/maintaining military to military relationships, nothing more. These cuts are not going to affect our military efficacy in any manner whatsoever, however it is only going to diminish US influence, good for us, we not losing anything here. In fact I am all in favour of severing all military relationship with the US.


Exclusive: As Trump cracks down on Pakistan, U.S. cuts military training programs

By Idrees Ali and Phil Stewart
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ReutersAugust 10, 2018
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A State Department contractor adjust a Pakistan national flag before a meeting between U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Pakistan's Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan on the sidelines of the White House Summit on Countering Violent Extremism at the State Department in Washington February 19, 2015. REUTERS/Joshua Roberts
By Idrees Ali and Phil Stewart

ISLAMABAD/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump's administration has quietly started cutting scores of Pakistani officers from coveted training and educational programs that have been a hallmark of bilateral military relations for more than a decade, U.S. officials say.

The move, which has not been previously reported, is one of the first known impacts from Trump's decision this year to suspend U.S. security assistance to Pakistan to compel it to crack down on Islamic militants.

The Pentagon and the Pakistani military did not comment directly on the decision or the internal deliberations, but officials from both countries privately criticized the move.

U.S. officials, speaking to Reuters on the condition of anonymity, said they were worried the decision could undermine a key trust-building measure. Pakistani officials warned it could push their military to further look to China or Russia for leadership training.

The effective suspension of Pakistan from the U.S. government's International Military Education and Training program (IMET) will close off places that had been set aside for 66 Pakistani officers this year, a State Department spokesperson told Reuters.

The places will either be unfilled or given to officers from other countries.

Dan Feldman, a former U.S. special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, called the move "very short-sighted and myopic".

"This will have lasting negative impacts limiting the bilateral relationship well into the future," Feldman told Reuters.

The State Department spokesperson, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the IMET cancellations were valued at $2.41 million so far. At least two other programs have also been affected, the spokesperson said.

It is unclear precisely what level of military cooperation still continues outside the IMET program, beyond the top level contacts between U.S. and Pakistani military leaders.

The U.S. military has traditionally sought to shield such educational programs from political tensions, arguing that the ties built by bringing foreign military officers to the United States pay long-term dividends.

For example, the U.S. Army's War College in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, which would normally have two Pakistani military officers per year, boasts graduates including Lieutenant General Naveed Mukhtar, the current director-general of Pakistan's powerful spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI).

The War College, the U.S. Army's premier school for foreign officers, says it has hosted 37 participants from Pakistan over the past several decades. It will have no Pakistani students in the upcoming academic year, a spokeswoman said.

Pakistan has also been removed from programs at the U.S. Naval War College, Naval Staff College and courses including cyber security studies.



"LIES AND DECEIT"

In his first tweet of 2018, Trump slammed Pakistan, saying the country has rewarded past U.S. aid with "nothing but lies & deceit." Washington announced plans in January to suspend up to roughly $2 billion in U.S. security assistance to Pakistan.

But weeks later, Pakistan's foreign secretary was quoted by local media saying that Islamabad had been told the United States would continue funding IMET programs.

Officially allies in fighting terrorism, Pakistan and the United States have a complicated relationship, bound by Washington's dependence on Pakistan to supply its troops in Afghanistan but plagued by accusations Islamabad is playing a double game.

Tensions have grown over U.S. complaints that the Afghan Taliban militants and the Haqqani network that target American troops in Afghanistan are allowed to shelter on Pakistani soil.

Current and former U.S. officials said Defense Secretary Jim Mattis argued against excluding Pakistani officers from IMET courses.

"I am shocked... We worked so hard for this to be the one thing that got saved," said a former U.S. defense official, who was involved in the conversations.

The Pentagon declined to comment on internal government discussions, but Dana White, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said Mattis long believed in the value of the IMET program as a way to build relations between foreign militaries.

Pakistani Senator Mushahid Hussain, chairman of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, told Reuters that a U.S. decision to cut off such exchanges would be counter-productive and push Pakistan's military towards other countries.

"It is one of those silly, punitive measures that they have deployed," said Hussain, who sat next to a Chinese and Pakistani flag in his office.

Russia and Pakistan signed an agreement earlier this week that would allow for Pakistani military officers to train at Russian institutes.

Pakistan's military has ruled the country for about half of its history and traditionally seen the country's foreign policy in its domain.

IMET courses have been able to withstand poor relations between the two countries in the past, even after al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was killed in a U.S. Navy SEAL raid in the Pakistani town of Abbotabad in 2011.

A NATO helicopter raid killed 28 Pakistani troops later that year in a friendly fire incident on the Afghan-Pakistan border.

Feldman said that after the raid, when relations were at a low point, the United States limited large security assistance items, but made active efforts to continue the IMET program.



UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE

In the 1990's former U.S. President George H.W. Bush refused to certify that Pakistan did not have nuclear weapons, triggering the so-called "Pressler Amendment" that required cutting off all military assistance. That included IMET courses.

"The unintended consequence was we didn't know a decade of the Pakistani military leadership as well, and therefore couldn't engage as effectively with them when we needed to," Feldman said.

Mattis, in private discussions within the government, had warned that excluding Pakistani officers from IMET courses could contribute to a similar situation in years to come, the former U.S. defense official said.

Pakistan had been the largest recipient of IMET between 2003 and 2017, according to the Security Assistance Monitor which tracks U.S. assistance.

"You can advocate for cutting off everything else and this was the one thing we were not supposed to touch," the former official said.



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The U.S more than any other country has the ability to exploit our internal weaknesses [PTM was just a preview]. This is no time to take on the Americans particularly with Trump in-charge. Pakistan with our grand image is an easy sell to the American public as an enemy state infact that is true all across the west.

As IK said Pakistan should go for a mutually beneficial relationship with the Americans. Their concerns vis-a-vis Afghanistan should be addressed however no compromise on our China policy.

There won't to be a mutually beneficial relationship with the Americans.

Imran Khan has extended an olive branch after winning the elections by reaching out to all sides. Guess what the Americans have done in return? They have ratcheted up their hostility. Firstly by painting Imran Khan as an establishment villain. Secondly by cutting the symbolic military aid. Thirdly through IMF blackmail. Now we have this fiasco of the US cutting military programs. All of this in the short span of a couple of weeks.

The Americans could have easily accepted the olive branch, but they are not interested in reconciliation. The Americans clearly seek hostility.

Sooner or later Imran Khan will be pushed and forced by the Trump regime to retaliate. Right now Trump is testing the waters. Remember that Imran Khan hasn't even been sworne in yet and this is already the nasty American behavior.

Pakistan needs to take some sort of stance in face of hostility. We need to have an ambiguous message for the Americans. Playing this feeble game of wait and see won't work. We have been there and done that for too long. The strength of this new government is to spell it out as it is.

Military training programs are only a means of establishing/maintaining military to military relationships, nothing more. These cuts are not going to affect our military efficacy in any manner whatsoever, however it is only going to diminish US influence, good for us, we not losing anything here. In fact I am all in favour of severing all military relationship with the US.

The Americans are getting their wish. Military relations will be diminished significantly.
 
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There won't to be a mutually beneficial relationship with the Americans.

Imran Khan has extended an olive branch after winning the elections by reaching out to all sides. Guess what the Americans have done in return? They have ratcheted up their hostility. Firstly by painting Imran Khan as an establishment villain. Secondly by cutting the symbolic military aid. Thirdly through IMF blackmail. Now we have this fiasco of the US cutting military programs. All of this in the short span of a couple of weeks.

The Americans could have easily accepted the olive branch, but they are not interested in reconciliation. The Americans clearly seek hostility.

Sooner or later Imran Khan will be pushed and forced by the Trump regime to retaliate. Right now Trump is testing the waters. Remember that Imran Khan hasn't even been sworne in yet and this is already the nasty American behavior.

Pakistan needs to take some sort of stance in face of hostility. We need to have an ambiguous message for the Americans. Playing this feeble game of wait and see won't work. We have been there and done that for too long. The strength of this new government is to spell it out as it is.



The Americans are getting their wish. Military relations will be diminished significantly.

Hi,

Under what illusion the pakistanis living in---only they know---.

Pakistan is weakest financially at this time---any sanctions---retaliation from the US would have terrible consequences---.

IK's olive branch means nothing to the US---. What could it mean----come one guys---.
 
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Hi,

Under what illusion the pakistanis living in---only they know---.

Pakistan is weakest financially at this time---any sanctions---retaliation from the US would have terrible consequences---.

IK's olive branch means nothing to the US---. What could it mean----come one guys---.

Yet the Americans have a long list of demands from Pakistan. They can't have it both ways.

Now I understand that Pakistan cannot go all guns blazing, but that doesn't mean we cannot speak our mind and get the message across.

It is not Pakistan which is applying pressure tactics since PTI won the elections. There is only one side which is bitter and angry.

If the Americans don't appreciate an olive branch it means they are not interested in a balanced relationship. To put it blunt, they can fvck off. Pakistan won't be intimidated nor blackmailed. As for this latest move to cut military relations, I am very happy this has happened. At least now our military rulers won't be influenced by the American school of thought.
 
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as someone said it already, Its a Mixed plate.
outcome depends how Pakistan plays, lets hope new minds in Govt. comes with better strategy then previous once as times are getting more difficult...
 
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Yet the Americans have a long list of demands from Pakistan. They can't have it both ways.

Now I understand that Pakistan cannot go all guns blazing, but that doesn't mean we cannot speak our mind and get the message across.

It is not Pakistan which is applying pressure tactics since PTI won the elections. There is only one side which is bitter and angry.

If the Americans don't appreciate an olive branch it means they are not interested in a balanced relationship. To put it blunt, they can fvck off. Pakistan won't be intimidated nor blackmailed. As for this latest move to cut military relations, I am very happy this has happened. At least now our military rulers won't be influenced by the American school of thought.
In Turkish - Gunah bizden gitti - sins have left us!!! By the by, CEO Trump's all business plans - not that they had many steps to begin with- had the same ending: bankruptcy filed by the most crooked lawyer in the town!!! Too much cheeseburgers and French fries from McDonald's do that to you!!!!!
 
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Yet the Americans have a long list of demands from Pakistan. They can't have it both ways.

Now I understand that Pakistan cannot go all guns blazing, but that doesn't mean we cannot speak our mind and get the message across.

It is not Pakistan which is applying pressure tactics since PTI won the elections. There is only one side which is bitter and angry.

If the Americans don't appreciate an olive branch it means they are not interested in a balanced relationship. To put it blunt, they can fvck off. Pakistan won't be intimidated nor blackmailed. As for this latest move to cut military relations, I am very happy this has happened. At least now our military rulers won't be influenced by the American school of thought.

Hi,

Youngman---just because you have an olive branch---does not mean that you offer it to every one---.

You speak to them in the manner and tone they needed to be spoken at---.

The problem is---that you as a nation do not know how to speak to the americans---.

All you kids have is " pakistani rhetoric "---. If you want the americans to understand---then you learn to speak the language that the americans understand---.

Saddam did not know that language---he was destroyed---.
 
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