Trillion Dolla India versus Failed Pakistan

[N.Siddiqui]

Aerial View of Mumbai from a Helicopter in High Resolution

 

[PakSword]

All this thread is doing is bringing home the fact that Pakistan are the as yet united East Germany to our West Germany.

If and when it happens, it will be a long road back for the Pakistanis.

A lot of resentment and victim complex.

Some degree of resentment and frustration from the Indian side too as it bleeds money as taxes for their poorer western regions, but the results are slow incoming. The gulf not narrowing near soon enough.

While the Iron Curtain and the Wall lasted, Germans thought that their Eastern brothers were maybe 2 to 3 times poorer. The standard of living gulf similar.

It was when the wall fell and reunification happened that the stark reality really hit both sides.

The gulf was more like 20 times. And the scale of the task ahead really hit them.

I see glimpses of that increasingly in such plaintive threads.

Cheers, Doc

You can't compare the situation with East and West Germany..

Problem here is that Indians think that Pakistanis are living in stone age, as depicted in Indian movies, however, when people of a different origin visit both the places and write blogs, the reality hits Indians hard..

 

[padamchen]

You can't compare the situation with East and West Germany..

Problem here is that Indians think that Pakistanis are living in stone age, as depicted in Indian movies, however, when people of a different origin visit both the places and write blogs, the reality hits Indians hard..

Bro, in my line of work, I've met more Bangladeshis and Nepalis and fewer Pakistanis.

Your guys are nearly absent on the global scene. Scientific meetings. Academia. Industry.

Trust me, unlike our expat populations who live side by side, guys like me who live on the land and travel, get a different perspective.

We see both populaces in their native forms, minus the gap-nearing equaliser effect of the west.

There is a big gap. And it's growing. You guys have not been on the same playing level for much of the second phase of my career. Which is like the past 15 years minimum.

Cheers, Doc

 

[N.Siddiqui]

This is exactly what a south african colleague of mine told me.. that the moment she came out of the Dehli airport, the air was filled with some old poop smell mixed with saindoor.. loll

Initially I thought Delhi doesn't have his 'smell like sewer' problem and it is peculiar to Mumbai as 62 percent of Mumbai population lives in slums....and slums doesn't have the toilets and they poop on seaside, open and along streets. So open defecation is a not a rural thing in India....

 

[PakSword]

Bro, in my line of work, I've met more Bangladeshis and Nepalis and fewer Pakistanis.

Your guys are nearly absent on the global scene. Scientific meetings. Academia. Industry.

Trust me, unlike our expat populations who live side by side, guys like me who live on the land and travel, get a different perspective.

We see both populaces in their native forms, minus the gap-nearing equaliser effect of the west.

There is a big gap. And it's growing. You guys have not been on the same playing level for much of the second phase of my career. Which is like the past 15 years minimum.

Cheers, Doc

I was talking about the infrastructure, cleanliness, general behavior of people towards foreigners and ladies.. You have diverted the topic.. you should start a different thread to discuss that.

Anyway, regarding infrastructure etc.. I hear really bad reviews from non-Indians visiting India.. and same people have different perspective of Pakistan alltogether..

The south african colleague I mentioned in my previous post is not ready to visit Pakistan because she has watched a lot of bollywood movies on Pakistan, where Pakistanis are shown travelling between mountains on kacha pakka roads, and wearing turbans and killing each other mercilessly.. even somehow the sun doesn't shine in Pakistan with the same intensity as in India...

It was our mistake that we didn't project ourselves on the media adequately.. however, it is changing now..

 

[thunderr]

Bro, in my line of work, I've met more Bangladeshis and Nepalis and fewer Pakistanis.

Your guys are nearly absent on the global scene. Scientific meetings. Academia. Industry.

Trust me, unlike our expat populations who live side by side, guys like me who live on the land and travel, get a different perspective.

We see both populaces in their native forms, minus the gap-nearing equaliser effect of the west.

There is a big gap. And it's growing. You guys have not been on the same playing level for much of the second phase of my career. Which is like the past 15 years minimum.

Cheers, Doc

Do you have anything better apart from this shyt which you write all the time that you're the best and rest of the world is crap, come out of pipe dreaming and do something real.

 

[PakSword]

Initially I thought Delhi doesn't have his 'smell like sewer' problem and it is peculiar to Mumbai as 62 percent of Mumbai population lives in slums....and slums doesn't have the toilets and they poop on seaside, open and along streets. So open defecation is a not a rural thing in India....

It's not that.. what she told me that people start peeing anywhere they like.. even if there are public washrooms around.. then visitors find dried poop on the roads..

There are good areas.. but the smell is all around the city.. and if you ask any Indian about the smell, they ask you back "what smell? "

These aren't my words to be honest.. I am telling you what she told us when she returned from India...

Before that, I also had a view similar to what bollywood shows in movies.. clean.. beautiful well mannered people.. beautiful water lakes, amazing traffic etc etc..

 

[padamchen]

I was talking about the infrastructure, cleanliness, general behavior of people towards foreigners and ladies.. You have diverted the topic.. you should start a different thread to discuss that.

Anyway, regarding infrastructure etc.. I hear really bad reviews from non-Indians visiting India.. and same people have different perspective of Pakistan alltogether..

The south african colleague I mentioned in my previous post is not ready to visit Pakistan because she has watched a lot of bollywood movies on Pakistan, where Pakistanis are shown travelling between mountains on kacha pakka roads, and wearing turbans and killing each other mercilessly.. even somehow the sun doesn't shine in Pakistan with the same intensity as in India...

It was our mistake that we didn't project ourselves on the media adequately.. however, it is changing now..

India is cleaning up rapidly. The issue will always continue to be the population.

But education and money will solve a lot of that in the next decade or two.

Let's face it. The guys who post here from both sides have never been affected and this remains a plaintive attempt at telling the richer cousin, see I'm here, and you may be kilometers ahead, but your cities still smell.

That's all that it really is.

The facts I pointed out about our progress and where we are today versus you however still remain. And the gulf looks like it's only going to grow. Unless you break out of the economic vicious cycle you guys find yourselves getting mired deeper into with each passing year.

I'm not diverting. I'm giving the whole perspective.

Cheers, Doc

 

[N.Siddiqui]

It's not that.. what she told me that people start peeing anywhere they like.. even if there are public washrooms around.. then visitors find dried poop on the roads..

There are good areas.. but the smell is all around the city.. and if you ask any Indian about the smell, they ask you back "what smell? "

These aren't my words to be honest.. I am telling you what she told us when she returned from India...

Before that, I also had a view similar to what bollywood shows in movies.. clean.. beautiful well mannered people.. beautiful water lakes, amazing traffic etc etc..

What you've written is true as once people gotten used to the foul smell, the sewer like stench of Indian cities you can't make it out as it is human psychology, like as you've mentioned an Indian or local living in Mumbai won't smell the poop filled stench and acrid air as the brain won't get him/her the signals as they are acclimatized to that foul smell...good point from you here.

In a similar way the Indians don't see and feel the filth and squalor all around the towns and cities as they, the Indians are gotten used to live in the filth and dirt...they can't help it, it comes naturally to them living in the filth for a longer period of time, this is human nature.


Add to this the vast class and caste divide and everyone pretending to be holier than thou, the other caste, the situation is horrible, no wonder India is regarded as the filthiest country on the face of mother earth...

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Just like Pakistan is Chinese stooge against India.

China cant be bothered to use any stooges against India.

Waste of resources.

 

[PakSword]

India is cleaning up rapidly. The issue will always continue to be the population.

But education and money will solve a lot of that in the next decade or two.

Let's face it. The guys who post here from both sides have never been affected and this remains a plaintive attempt at telling the richer cousin, see I'm here, and you may be kilometers ahead, but your cities still smell.

That's all that it really is.

The facts I pointed out about our progress and where we are today versus you however still remain. And the gulf looks like it's only going to grow. Unless you break out of the economic vicious cycle you guys find yourselves getting noted deeperinto wuth each passing year.

I'm not diverting. I'm giving the whole perspective.

Cheers, Doc

Numbers without mentioning median wealth and income don't mean anything.. Suppose there are 100 people living in a country and 10 people earn 990 rupees, and the rest 90 earn 10 rupees, the situation is called bad.. although the average earning will come out as 10..

A country where 10 people live and 5 people earn 3 Rupees each, and the rest of the 5 earn 1 each, is much better.. The average will come out as 4, but 90% of the population will be in a much better shape than 90% population of the first country..

Sorry, I had to explain this way to a supposed doctor.. although this example doesn't reflect the actual numbers.. but this is how the wealth is distributed in the society..

Then comes general behavior towards ladies, minorities, foreigners, etc etc.. and then the sense of pride that we are the best in the world, and while world was living in stone age, we were flying airplanes.. if it wasn't Muslims attacking India.. we would have reached Andromeda galaxy... doesn't help the argument man!

 

[padamchen]

Numbers without mentioning median wealth and income don't mean anything.. Suppose there are 100 people live in a country and 10 people earn 990 rupees, and the rest 90 earn 10 rupees, the situation is called bad.. although the average earning will come out as 10..

A country where 10 people live and 5 people earn 3 Rupees each, and the rest of the 5 earn 1 each, is much better.. The average will come out as 4, but 90% of the population will be in a much better shape than 90% population of the first country..

Sorry, I had to explain this way to a supposed doctor.. although this example doesn't reflect the actual numbers.. but this is how the wealth is distributed in the society..

Then comes general behavior towards ladies, minorities, foreigners, etc etc.. and then the sense of pride that we are the best in the world, and while world was living in stone age, we were flying airplanes.. if it wasn't Muslims attacking India.. we would have reached Andromeda galaxy... doesn't help the argument man!

You are a socialist.

Socialism died. And somebody forgot to leave you the memo.

Cheers, Doc

 

[lastofthepatriots]

India is cleaning up rapidly. The issue will always continue to be the population.

But education and money will solve a lot of that in the next decade or two.

Let's face it. The guys who post here from both sides have never been affected and this remains a plaintive attempt at telling the richer cousin, see I'm here, and you may be kilometers ahead, but your cities still smell.

That's all that it really is.

The facts I pointed out about our progress and where we are today versus you however still remain. And the gulf looks like it's only going to grow. Unless you break out of the economic vicious cycle you guys find yourselves getting mired deeper into with each passing year.

I'm not diverting. I'm giving the whole perspective.

Cheers, Doc

Don't give a shit about anything else you have to say, but cities in Pakistan do not smell. Don't try to push this narrative, because it is absolutely false. Truth is truth, no matter how bad you want bend the reality.

 

[India Pakistan]

China cant be bothered to use any stooges against India.

Waste of resources.

OK

 

[PakSword]

You are a socialist.

Socialism died. And somebody forgot to leave you the memo.

Cheers, Doc

Loll.. I don't blame you.. as you are a doctor.. (that too I don't know).. it is a very good measure to see how the wealth is distributed.. a few men holding most of the wealth in a society do not create a better society for themselves and others.. equality is the measure to look for.. That's why you see extreme poverty in India..

Anyway, you won't understand.. I finish my argument here..