Traditional chinese costume . We eliminate your misunderstanding of Chinese costume and hairstyle.

[Andrei]

Stop talking nonsense and making fabrications.
Show me a single word that I have typed anything about "deny 剃发易服" and say "do you have source".

What kind of logic is that, you do really need to go see a doctor, fast.

Gee, so this is what paranoia is. I'm not sure if a doctor can help you now~

you did, i have no time to look back page by page, you just do that by yourself, you said pls show me sources, and you asked others just now too

 

[Snomannen]

you did, i have no time to look back page by page, you just do that by yourself, you said pls show me sources, and you asked others just now too

What if I learn from you and say sth like: "I remember seeing you posting sth like "I love FLG" in one of the back pages. You just did and I have no time to check back."

So irresponsible and shameless isn't it.

 

[Andrei]

What if I learn from you and say sth like: "I remember seeing you posting sth like "I love FLG" in one of the back pages. You just did and I have no time to check back."

So irresponsible and shameless isn't it.

no matter how you lying, i don't care, because no one believe a liar , lol

What if I learn from you and say sth like: "I remember seeing you posting sth like "I love FLG" in one of the back pages. You just did and I have no time to check back."

So irresponsible and shameless isn't it.

by the way, you say you not deny 剃发易服 , so what is your point for arguing here? so funny

 

[Snomannen]

I guess he just want us to give him/her the exact name of books. How hilarious he is since we've given him the things for him to look up.
There's no need to argue with him any more, for he's becoming irrational with every line~ Have fun and it's time for me to have dinner~

How could you drop a bunch of staffs and ask me to search it for myself instead of showing me the exact page that prove your statement. Maybe it's not because you are irresponsible or sth, maybe it's because you don't even know where the source is and this is all your own imagination.

Every single reference I have used, I post the exact parts of the books instead of just throwing you a bunch and let you find it. See, this is how academic discussion works. You are the one who is getting irrational here.

 

[Andrei]

How could you drop a bunch of staffs and ask me to search it for myself instead of showing me the exact page that prove your statement. Maybe it's not because you are irresponsible or sth, maybe it's because you don't even know where the source is and this is all your own imagination.

Every single reference I have used, I post the exact parts of the books instead of just throwing you a bunch and let you find it. See, this is how academic discussion works. You are the one who is getting irrational here.

others told you the books, but you ignore them and i told you the books you ignore too, and the japanese friend told you it is true, you ignore again, so what you want?

 

[Memery]

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Look back all the floors in this thread. I am the one who has been posting sourses here, not you my liar friend~
So you can't refute my sources yet try to divert attention by talking about the case of comfort women which is nothing to do with the whole topic, how smart~



Yeah we check the book and we discover that you are a big bad liar~

［金珠衣飾，書籍器皿，遍列通衢，其價甚賤。有錢買歸者，後獲大利。新太守張（按：張銚，偃 師人）住進士陳子龍宅。華亭縣陳鑑、海防楊之易，即忠臣楊漣長子，時雖剃髮，猶漢人衣冠，烏紗大帶，不改舊服也。餘以丁艱，不與科試，兼欲告閒，而同袍之 告退者不一人。學師欲索重價，餘以力綿中止。九月十三日，督鎮李成棟點驗各兵，餘與曹馳尹儒冠往觀之。李尚烏紗玉帶，用八座大轎，抬於門首，馬步卒皆疾趨 而過，軍威嚴肅，莫可名狀。］

－－《乙酉筆記》



-- by the Liar who deny historical facts.

Also may I ask you again: Do you even know what does the word "disappearance" mean.

So funny, you mean kill one person is not cimmit murder, but kill the whole family !? No matter how few people still wearing Han clothes as you posted, it is no doubt and ironing-hard that TiFaYiFu policy deprived most Han peoples right to wear their clothes. That's why today not so many Han people dont recognize their ethnic clothes, thats why we start HanFu movement， because after 300ys they have forgotten and so many foreigners even still think pig tail is the hairstyle of Han male. So we are just doing we we should do as Han people, restoring our ethnic mark. it's really has nothing to do with modern Manchu, pleas stop preventing and disturbing.

Look back all the floors in this thread. I am the one who has been posting sourses here, not you my liar friend~
So you can't refute my sources yet try to divert attention by talking about the case of comfort women which is nothing to do with the whole topic, how smart~



Yeah we check the book and we discover that you are a big bad liar~

［金珠衣飾，書籍器皿，遍列通衢，其價甚賤。有錢買歸者，後獲大利。新太守張（按：張銚，偃 師人）住進士陳子龍宅。華亭縣陳鑑、海防楊之易，即忠臣楊漣長子，時雖剃髮，猶漢人衣冠，烏紗大帶，不改舊服也。餘以丁艱，不與科試，兼欲告閒，而同袍之 告退者不一人。學師欲索重價，餘以力綿中止。九月十三日，督鎮李成棟點驗各兵，餘與曹馳尹儒冠往觀之。李尚烏紗玉帶，用八座大轎，抬於門首，馬步卒皆疾趨 而過，軍威嚴肅，莫可名狀。］

－－《乙酉筆記》



-- by the Liar who deny historical facts.

Also may I ask you again: Do you even know what does the word "disappearance" mean.

 

[Snomannen]

no matter how you lying, i don't care, because no one believe a liar , lol


by the way, you say you not deny 剃发易服 , so what is your point for arguing here? so funny

So you really CAN'T Show me a single word that I have typed anything about "denying 剃发易服" and all you have been doing is to divert attention since you realized you have made a fabrication.

You said it, you prove it. No excuse accepted. Now that you can't prove your statement, YOU are the bid bad goddamn liar here. Congratulations~

Oh so you think that your whole topic is all about 剃发易服, how silly~

others told you the books, but you ignore them and i told you the books you ignore too, and the japanese friend told you it is true, you ignore again, so what you want?

AGAIN show me which floor I posted say such thing like that you shameless liar.

You state it, you prove it. Simple as that. Show me which floor is it, NOW.

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So funny, you mean kill one person is not cimmit murder, but kill the whole family !? No matter how few people still wearing Han clothes as you posted, it is no doubt and ironing-hard that TiFaYiFu policy deprived most Han peoples right to wear their clothes. That's why today not so many Han people dont recognize their ethnic clothes, thats why we start HanFu movement， because after 300ys they have forgotten and so many foreigners even still think pig tail is the hairstyle of Han male. So we are just doing we we should do as Han people, restoring our ethnic mark. it's really has nothing to do with modern Manchu, pleas stop preventing and disturbing.

I can't really understand what you say. Maybe you can type in Chinese?

 

[Andrei]

How could you drop a bunch of staffs and ask me to search it for myself instead of showing me the exact page that prove your statement. Maybe it's not because you are irresponsible or sth, maybe it's because you don't even know where the source is and this is all your own imagination.

Every single reference I have used, I post the exact parts of the books instead of just throwing you a bunch and let you find it. See, this is how academic discussion works. You are the one who is getting irrational here.

wow, how silly , why others should show you the books? told you the name is enough, you have lots time to write useless thing,we don't have, maybe you even get money for writing this, we don't , so tell you books name is enough, and not all informations are showed on interner, especially valuable history books, all in library,, not on internet

I don't understand Japanese,is it possible for you to translate or summarize the text?

How could you drop a bunch of staffs and ask me to search it for myself instead of showing me the exact page that prove your statement. Maybe it's not because you are irresponsible or sth, maybe it's because you don't even know where the source is and this is all your own imagination.

Every single reference I have used, I post the exact parts of the books instead of just throwing you a bunch and let you find it. See, this is how academic discussion works. You are the one who is getting irrational here.

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So you really CAN'T Show me a single word that I have typed anything about "denying 剃发易服" and all you have been doing is to divert attention since you realized you have made a fabrication.

You said it, you prove it. No excuse accepted. Now that you can't prove your statement, YOU are the bid bad goddamn liar here. Congratulations~

Oh so you think that your whole topic is all about 剃发易服, how silly~





AGAIN show me which floor I posted say such thing like that you shameless liar.

You state it, you prove it. Simple as that. Show me which floor is it, NOW.



I can't really understand what you say. Maybe you can type in Chinese?

he means you stop trying pretend so silly and stop misleading others, and stop denying history

 

[Snomannen]

wow, how silly , why others should show you the books? told you the name is enough, you have lots time to write useless thing,we don't have, maybe you even get money for writing this, we don't , so tell you books name is enough, and not all informations are showed on interner, especially valuable history books, all in library,, not on internet

Yeah because spending time on doing research and taking note is indeed " writing useless thing" .

How about you go tell your professor at university that "I have drop bunch of books on your desk. Here is my dissertation without any reference, if you want reference just search those books. I don't have time for that."

 

[Andrei]

Yeah because spending time on doing research and taking note is indeed " writing useless thing" .

How about you go tell your professor at university that "I have drop bunch of books on your desk. Here is my dissertation without any reference, if you want reference just search those books. I don't have time for that."

you are not my professor, and we are talking about history, not all history books are on internet, so silly, m.r double standards man

 

[Snomannen]

you are not my professor, and we are talking about history, not all history books are on internet, so silly, m.r double standards man

If you are talking about history then how could you not making reference? Who do you think you are, 玉皇大帝? You want people to believe everything come for your mouth and trust your own imagination? Who is the silly guy here?

Again if you are not able to provide any source in exact page, then that means you DIDN'T even know what you are talking about and all of the words come from your mouth are all non-facts. Now this is "useless writing"~

 

[Huaren]

Come on guys, its Saturday 6:30 in Shanghai and this "debate" has been dragging on for far too long, Right now it would be better to spend some time with girlfriend/boyfriend or prepare gifts for the relatives, festival holiday and time for the family is coming up.

This debate is doing us more harm if we cant keep cool head, and it will lose its purpose if it lead to division among our people. Protecting or reviving culture are admiable, but it must be doing in a way to respect the identity and feeling of others at the same time, especially if they are also fellow chinese (no matter what ethnic origin), It is as important for us Han chinese as for any chinese from minority groups. For the cultural revival and protection of ethnic identity Han chinese tend to become too proud for our own good while minorities tend to become paranoid, this results in nationalism turning to racism (not against others but against ourselves), in the end this will cause more harm to our nation not helping any of our people.

As a han chinese I would say that Hanfu "revival" is important and necessary, I long for the day to see not copy of ancient customs but modern fashion with chinese characteristics to spread around the globe, for that purpose we need to rediscover ourselves, not only for Han culture and all those roots to make up modern China, however we must not allow cultural revival to set ourselves apart, but to create a new culture with redicovered elements from Han and all other cultures within China, remember this was the way for Han culture to develop and influenced by the elements from all different chinese states, this time we will continue this "tradition" not with the old han culture, but with a new unified chinese culture.

Especially those who fancy themselves "nationalists" must become more rational and less emotional. As in this topic we are not facing "foreign barbarians" anymore, but fellow countrymen or those who identify themselves as fellow chinese people (no matter where they are), in order to achieve our goals we must find ways to convince others, not turning them away. We need to have faith and trust for eachother, believing that all of us want the best for our civilization.

 

[Andrei]

If you are talking about history then how could you not making reference? Who do you think you are, 玉皇大帝? You want people to believe everything come for your mouth and trust your own imagination? Who is the silly guy here?

wow, i never force others believe me, why you are always misleading others? what's wrong with you? i just tell the history

 

[Snomannen]

Traditional chinese costume . We eliminate your misunderstanding of Chinese costume and hairstyle. | Page 12

Turns out you are really a shameless liar, good

 

[Andrei]

Turns out you are really a shameless liar, good

不陪你玩了，吵架对汉服宣传没好处，我现在改路线了，您自己自得其乐吧，拜拜了您呢