Traditional chinese costume . We eliminate your misunderstanding of Chinese costume and hairstyle.

[Andrei]

Could you please provide source of this story please?



Answer the question at #383 first before talking big, mr.liar

mr liar, no matter how you deny the history, but people here all can go into library and check books there, there the history books tell them who is a liar, lool

 

[Snomannen]

stop misleading others , i have given you lots sources, but you all ignored , and what you do now is just like some government deny comfort women, and said, did you have sources show that we forced women be comfort women, same way you are doing now

Look back all the floors in this thread. I am the one who has been posting sourses here, not you my liar friend~
So you can't refute my sources yet try to divert attention by talking about the case of comfort women which is nothing to do with the whole topic, how smart~

mr liar, no matter how you deny the history, but people here all can go into library and check books there, there the history books tell them who is a liar, lool

Yeah we check the book and we discover that you are a big bad liar~

［金珠衣飾，書籍器皿，遍列通衢，其價甚賤。有錢買歸者，後獲大利。新太守張（按：張銚，偃 師人）住進士陳子龍宅。華亭縣陳鑑、海防楊之易，即忠臣楊漣長子，時雖剃髮，猶漢人衣冠，烏紗大帶，不改舊服也。餘以丁艱，不與科試，兼欲告閒，而同袍之 告退者不一人。學師欲索重價，餘以力綿中止。九月十三日，督鎮李成棟點驗各兵，餘與曹馳尹儒冠往觀之。李尚烏紗玉帶，用八座大轎，抬於門首，馬步卒皆疾趨 而過，軍威嚴肅，莫可名狀。］

－－《乙酉筆記》

Disappearance of Hanfu

In the year of 1644 Manchus invaded China and seized power of the Han Chinese regime. Then they built a new regime: Qing Dynasty. To destroy the identity of Han ethnic and Chinese culture. Manchu rulers has issued a decree: "Shave hair and Change costume（剃发易服）". This has led to strong opposition and revolt of the Han Chinese. This led to severe penalties and bloody suppression of the Qing government.

-- by the Liar who deny historical facts.

Also may I ask you again: Do you even know what does the word "disappearance" mean.

 

[Andrei]

Look back all the floors in this thread. I am the one who has been posting sourses here, not you my liar friend~
So you can't refute my sources yet try to divert attention by talking about the case of comfort women which is nothing to do with the whole topic, how smart~

comfort women is nothing to do with the topic? again you use double standards, i wrote this article just introduce hanfu history , it is nothing to do with modern manchu too, why you feel mad?

Look back all the floors in this thread. I am the one who has been posting sourses here, not you my liar friend~
So you can't refute my sources yet try to divert attention by talking about the case of comfort women which is nothing to do with the whole topic, how smart~



Yeah we check the book and we discover that you are a big bad liar~

［金珠衣飾，書籍器皿，遍列通衢，其價甚賤。有錢買歸者，後獲大利。新太守張（按：張銚，偃 師人）住進士陳子龍宅。華亭縣陳鑑、海防楊之易，即忠臣楊漣長子，時雖剃髮，猶漢人衣冠，烏紗大帶，不改舊服也。餘以丁艱，不與科試，兼欲告閒，而同袍之 告退者不一人。學師欲索重價，餘以力綿中止。九月十三日，督鎮李成棟點驗各兵，餘與曹馳尹儒冠往觀之。李尚烏紗玉帶，用八座大轎，抬於門首，馬步卒皆疾趨 而過，軍威嚴肅，莫可名狀。］

－－《乙酉筆記》



-- by the Liar who deny historical facts.

Also may I ask you again: Do you even know what does the word "disappearance" mean.

lool , what a big liar, who want cheat people just with some pics, but ignore all history records what i gave to you

 

[Jing]

Could you please provide source of this story please?

Have you forgot being invaded by foreign troops in late Qing Dynasty? Have you forgot how they burned everything in the Summer Palace?
Well, perhaps you gotta check more biography or files written by George Macartney, Matteo Ricci and many other churchmen that had come to China. Also, historical relics rubbed by foreign invasions won't cheat people's eyes. No matter by googling or baidu or to just look up to some technology history or weaponry history books talking about China, you'll certainly see the difference of 2 periods of time divided by the point that China was occupied by Qing government.

 

[Memery]

Let me show you some Hanfu pictures too:

A bunch of people seeing an opera, in Qing Dynasty,

A bunch of workers and mandarins working on river improvement around the Yellow River, in Qing Dynasty,

Some Chinese women everyday lives, in Qing Dynasty, drawn by a Japanese. Can you even find any typical Manchurian clothing here.

Some famous drawings drawn by famous painters in Qing Dynasty.
This is a historical record about the clothing style of several officials during the Earlier Qing, which mentions that their hair were shaved, yet their clothing were still old style (Ming dynasty style).

［金珠衣飾，書籍器皿，遍列通衢，其價甚賤。有錢買歸者，後獲大利。新太守張（按：張銚，偃 師人）住進士陳子龍宅。華亭縣陳鑑、海防楊之易，即忠臣楊漣長子，時雖剃髮，猶漢人衣冠，烏紗大帶，不改舊服也。餘以丁艱，不與科試，兼欲告閒，而同袍之 告退者不一人。學師欲索重價，餘以力綿中止。九月十三日，督鎮李成棟點驗各兵，餘與曹馳尹儒冠往觀之。李尚烏紗玉帶，用八座大轎，抬於門首，馬步卒皆疾趨 而過，軍威嚴肅，莫可名狀。］

－－《乙酉筆記》

This is another historical record which mentions a scholar was asked by an officer to teach at school, had been wearing old style clothing (Ming style) until the end of his life. He was even being well treated by the officer, in Qing dynasty:
總督鄂【諱善】政崇風教，自巡撫時，雅慕先生，知先生不履城市，難以屈致。是年，修複關中書院，拔各郡俊士於中，乃因提學鍾朗致饑渴，又因鹹寧郭丞 通禮意，四月，肅幣聘先生講學。先生力辭至再，鄂公敦延愈殷，三往然後應。鍾 以先生衣服寬博不時，預製小袖時袍馳送，先生笑而藏之，仍寬博以往。至城南雁 塔，鍾出城奉迎，見之愕然。先生曰：「仆非官僚紳士，又非武弁營丁，窄衣小袖，素所弗便。寬衣博袖，乃庶人常服；仆本庶人，不敢自異。且庶人無入公門之 理，區區生平，安庶人之分，未嚐投足公門，今進書院，諸公見頗，斷不敢破戒報謁。」鍾為之備逢。鄂曰：「餘等聘先生，原為沐教，豈可令其頓違生 平。」

－－《二曲集》


Now we back to OP's statement:
And 21th century, Chinese will revive the traditional costume Hanfu, which died for 400 years, Chinese were forced to abandon Hanfu by Manchu rulers in1644.

Find anything interesting?


This is how the ruler of Ming dynasty treated the dead body of a Han general (former Qing general) who massacred and forced Han people to shave their hair -by organizing a super grand funeral:

［永歷朝廷追贈李成棟為寧夏王，謚忠武，賜祭九壇，葬禮極為隆重，“甲馬數十隊以彩繒為之，一時灰燼”；“愛妾數人皆令盛服赴火死，盡用夷禮”］
-- 《南明史》 第十六章 第三節

This is how Han people during Ming dynasty forced minorities to changed their hairstyle and traditional clothing, which was exactly what Qing also did to Han people in Later Ming.

［凡新拘留被擄民婦，各蒙親屬認領還家。至於降蠻老幼婦女數千餘人，各變姓名，易冠服，配去遠方衛所安置。於是九絲一空，都蠻盡平。］
－《兩朝平攘錄·都掌》

So，if today the minrities try to regain their custome, Han people will never stop as long as they are right . and what was recoded in books, we also addmitted. Then why you Manchus try to stop Han people to regain their clothes after you did "TiFaYiFu" to us? And some of Manchuies even deny their slaught to Han people in history ! yes,we can see in pictures some Han people still wore HanFu in Qing dynasty but not in great number,most time they even risk their life by doing so, and what drew on the picture is not that important, because it's not the reflection of the main Han people 'a clothes wearing in Qing dynasty.I can draw so many pictures of pakistanian wearing HanFu, but does that mean all pakistanian wearing that ?
Source: Traditional chinese costume . We eliminate your misunderstanding of Chinese costume and hairstyle. | Page 27

 

[Snomannen]

comfort women is nothing to do with the topic? again you use double standards, i wrote this article just introduce hanfu history , it is nothing to do with modern manchu too, why you feel mad?

Mad? I'm not the one who keep calling people "stupid" and "pig" here~

Tell me since when did comfort women take a single part during the Qing-Ming War.
Besides I'm not even taking Manchurian as a main part of this topic, but you~

You really have problem in your head, you really need to check it out.

 

[Andrei]

Have you forgot being invaded by foreign troops in late Qing Dynasty? Have you forgot how they burned everything in the Summer Palace?
Well, perhaps you gotta check more biography or files written by George Macartney, Matteo Ricci and many other churchmen that had come to China. Also, historical relics rubbed by foreign invasions won't cheat people's eyes. No matter by googling or baidu or to just look up to some technology history or weaponry history books talking about China, you'll certainly see the difference of 2 periods of time divided by the point that China was occupied by Qing government.

he is a liar, and a professional liar, even be much mad than that manchu friend, that friend even doesn't deny 剃发易服, but this liar even deny 剃发易服, and said "do you have source", what a disgusting liar he is

Mad? I'm not the one who keep calling people "stupid" and "pig" here~

Tell me since when did comfort women take a single part during the Qing-Ming War.
Besides I'm not even taking Manchurian as a main part of this topic, but you~

You really have problem in your head, you really need to check it out.

so who is mad here? others will tell you , lol, a mad man never knows he already mad

 

[Jing]

he is a liar, and a professional liar, even be much mad than that manchu friend, that friend even doesn't deny 剃发易服, but this liar even deny 剃发易服, and said "do you have source", what a disgusting liar he is


so who is mad here? others will tell you , lol, a mad man never knows he already mad

Anyway，just be reasonable and let people know what we are doing here is enough. I think to call others as liar in the first place is a fallacy in logic. LOL

 

[Snomannen]

Have you forgot being invaded by foreign troops in late Qing Dynasty? Have you forgot how they burned everything in the Summer Palace?
Well, perhaps you gotta check more biography or files written by George Macartney, Matteo Ricci and many other churchmen that had come to China. Also, historical relics rubbed by foreign invasions won't cheat people's eyes. No matter by googling or baidu or to just look up to some technology history or weaponry history books talking about China, you'll certainly see the difference of 2 periods of time divided by the point that China was occupied by Qing government.

Again may I ask you to find me a book or sth that can prove any word you state here:

[It was surprising for British and French army to discover that the Qing army's weaponry were in such a low level that they only know how to use long knife to cut. And it was also surprising to Chinese when they discovered that weapons created and improved in Ming Dynasty was even better and superior than the weapons used by Qing troops. Yet, all of those were dumped by Qing government, because they thought this is not good to maintain their govern over Han people.]

Especially that sentence I have beld.

 

[Andrei]

Again may I ask you to find me a book or sth that can prove any word you state here:

[It was surprising for British and French army to discover that the Qing army's weaponry were in such a low level that they only know how to use long knife to cut. And it was also surprising to Chinese when they discovered that weapons created and improved in Ming Dynasty was even better and superior than the weapons used by Qing troops. Yet, all of those were dumped by Qing government, because they thought this is not good to maintain their govern over Han people.]

Especially that sentence I have beld.

i think you are forgetful, i gave you lots books and sources , including japanese, chinese, german sources , but you all ignore and keeping blind , just use double standards

 

[Snomannen]

he is a liar, and a professional liar, even be much mad than that manchu friend, that friend even doesn't deny 剃发易服, but this liar even deny 剃发易服, and said "do you have source", what a disgusting liar he is


so who is mad here? others will tell you , lol, a mad man never knows he already mad

I have asked you many times: Find me a word that I have typed deny "剃发易服" and say "do you have source".
You are such a liar with no shame at all.

Yeah a guy who likes to curse people around calling other people mad, ladies and gentlemen, the best sample of 賊喊抓賊

 

[Jing]

i think you are forgetful, i gave you lots books and sources , including japanese, chinese, german sources , but you all ignore and keeping blind , just use double standards

I guess he just want us to give him/her the exact name of books. How hilarious he is since we've given him the things for him to look up.
There's no need to argue with him any more, for he's becoming irrational with every line~ Have fun and it's time for me to have dinner~

 

[Snomannen]

i think you are forgetful, i gave you lots books and sources , including japanese, chinese, german sources , but you all ignore and keeping blind , just use double standards

I think you are really sick that you really need to go see a doctor.

 

[Andrei]

I have asked you many times: Find me a word that I have typed deny "剃发易服" and say "do you have source".
You are such a liar with no shame at all.

Yeah a guy who likes to curse people around calling other people mad, ladies and gentlemen, the best sample of 賊喊抓賊

you said,"you have no sources " show that manchu did it, does it have difference with deny? same meaning, just little trick

I think you are really sick that you really need to go see a doctor.

it's you need see a doctor, why others don't say me sick, why others think you are ,why others don't agree with you? because you a anti- han people

I think you are really sick that you really need to go see a doctor.

double standards man, go to see a doctor first

 

[Snomannen]

you said,"you have no sources " show that manchu did it, does it have difference with deny? same meaning, just little trick


it's you need see a doctor, why others don't say me sick, why others think you are ,why others don't agree with you? because you a anti- han people

Stop talking nonsense and making fabrications.
Show me a single word that I have typed anything about "deny 剃发易服" and say "do you have source".

What kind of logic is that, you do really need to go see a doctor, fast.

Gee, so this is what paranoia is. I'm not sure if a doctor can help you now~