Traditional chinese costume . We eliminate your misunderstanding of Chinese costume and hairstyle.

[Andrei]

你在胡说八道什么
清朝确实不准满汉通婚，因为清朝要保持统治，必须要有一支满人的军队，这一点非常重要，北魏全盘汉化而亡就是教训，自古北族入中国，不可不汉化，亦不可完全汉化，两可之间方能长久，这本来就是历史留给清朝的教训，清朝为了长久统治，怎么能不吸取呢。另一方面，清朝也不是没有满汉通婚，只不过大多数是满洲男子娶汉族妇女而已，这一点并没有禁止，有无数例子可以证明
我从未否认剃发易服的事实，但是清朝从未强迫汉族女性遵从满洲习俗是事实，相反，汉人裹小脚的习俗还影响了少数旗人女性（大部分旗人女性依旧是天足），汉族女性服装西化明明与民国以来的政策有关，和清朝有毛关系啊？
阎崇年是汉人，不要胡扯了，阎本来就是北方汉族的特色姓氏，满人姓阎的极为少见，你在胡扯什么？你们打一个老人还有理了？真是中国的耻辱

十从十不从里面是没有强迫女性穿满族服饰，但是在清朝汉族备受压迫，为了逃避压迫，女性只能穿满族衣服，这个你敢说不是导致汉服消失的原因吗？还跟我咬文嚼字呢

 

[sahaliyan]

十从十不从里面是没有强迫女性穿满族服饰，但是在清朝汉族备受压迫，为了逃避压迫，女性只能穿满族衣服，这个你敢说不是导致汉服消失的原因吗？还跟我咬文嚼字呢

哈哈哈哈，估计你都不知道啥叫满族女性服饰以及旗袍是啥时候流行的
越南奥黛也是旗袍演变而来，想必越南也被满洲统治过

 

[Andrei]

In their own imagination world. Everything bad happened is caused by Manchurian and anyone who doesn't agree with their extreme views must be Manchurian. Even the Chinese government is secretly ruled by Manchurian. Gee you people are indeed evil and smart as hell.

we didn't say every thing bad caused by manchu, just you try mislead others, i just say they force chinese cut hair and change costume, but you said i am lying,but funny that, that manchu friend admitted and didn't deny this. so funny, you use two standard just because you are anti han chinese

哈哈哈哈，估计你都不知道啥叫满族女性服饰以及旗袍是啥时候流行的
越南奥黛也是旗袍演变而来，想必越南也被满洲统治过

旗袍就是满族服饰演变过来的，而旗袍是后来民国设计的，正是因为被满清统治几百年后，人民忘了自己的服饰，所以才会沿用满清服饰

 

[Snomannen]

那你们害怕什么，我只是在讲述历史事实，你害怕什么，汉服的消失就是剃发易服引起的，为什么4000多年一脉相承的汉服没有消失，突然到了清朝统治就消失了？为什么朝鲜使臣记录他们到北京觐见满族皇帝的时候，全城老百姓见了朝鲜使臣的服饰后全城痛哭？为什么汉族人死后在脸上盖上一层白布？表示无颜面对祖先，为什么汉族人死后要穿汉服入葬？我本来好好的介绍汉服，你们偏要扯到历史，吵架很好玩？


你个香蕉人滚远点，你绝对不是汉族人，为了反汉族，不惜使用双重标准，眼瞎了，我什么时候撒谎了？那个满族自己都承认有剃发易服了，你出来找骂是吧？我文章本来就写了剃发易服导致汉服的逐渐消失，你出来瞎BB什么?看到汉族的东西你就暴跳如雷是什么心态？

The so-called "一脉相承的汉服"

「中國衣冠，自北齊以來，乃全用胡服。窄袖、緋綠短衣、長靿靴、有蹀躞帶，皆胡服也。窄袖利於馳射,短衣、長靿皆便於涉草。」－－《夢溪筆談》

「今世之服，大抵皆胡服，如上領衫、靴、鞋之屬。先王冠服，掃地盡矣。中國衣冠之亂，自晉五胡，後來遂相承襲，唐接隋，隋接週，週接元魏，大抵皆胡服。」－－《朱子語類》

You even try to deny what you said at the beginning, that's cute.

Oh so I'm the mad man now, I wonder who is the one who keep calling other people "stupid" and "pig" all the time like a 3 years old~

 

[Andrei]

The so-called "一脉相承的汉服"

「中國衣冠，自北齊以來，乃全用胡服。窄袖、緋綠短衣、長靿靴、有蹀躞帶，皆胡服也。窄袖利於馳射,短衣、長靿皆便於涉草。」－－《夢溪筆談》

「今世之服，大抵皆胡服，如上領衫、靴、鞋之屬。先王冠服，掃地盡矣。中國衣冠之亂，自晉五胡，後來遂相承襲，唐接隋，隋接週，週接元魏，大抵皆胡服。」－－《朱子語類》

按你的所有行为和言语，你绝对不是头一次遇到汉服的问题，你根本就是长久反汉服的，还收集了那么多的歪理邪说。自己看看北齐是谁当家，北齐是鲜卑人，而鲜卑后来自我汉化了，鲜卑孝文帝后来主动汉化，要求禁止鲜卑人说鲜卑语，穿鲜卑服饰，而一律说汉语，穿汉服，行汉礼，所以东西一切尊称汉制

 

[Grand Historian]

The Manchus imposed their rule on the Han Chinese who were the major inhabitants of China. The Ching ... It was illegal for Chinese and Manchu to inter-marry and the Chinese were forced to wear queues (pigtails) as a sign of submission.
This is a part of the book Manchukou by author S. Z. Ahmed

Every dynasty imposed their own rules on the populace,every dynasty butchered innocent people,every dynasty becomes mired in corruption then disintegrates.

Singling out the Manchus is simple scapegoating them,if you want to succumb to your persecution complex that Manchus are out to get us Han Chinese then do so.

It wasn't illegal to intermarry between Han and Manchu bannermen.

 

[Andrei]

The so-called "一脉相承的汉服"

「中國衣冠，自北齊以來，乃全用胡服。窄袖、緋綠短衣、長靿靴、有蹀躞帶，皆胡服也。窄袖利於馳射,短衣、長靿皆便於涉草。」－－《夢溪筆談》

「今世之服，大抵皆胡服，如上領衫、靴、鞋之屬。先王冠服，掃地盡矣。中國衣冠之亂，自晉五胡，後來遂相承襲，唐接隋，隋接週，週接元魏，大抵皆胡服。」－－《朱子語類》

You even try to deny what you said at the beginning, that's cute.

Oh so I'm the mad man now, I wonder who is the one who keep calling other people "stupid" and "pig" all the time like a 3 years old~

a man meet a Neuropathy， he will be mad too, because a neuropathy never try talk with you in human way

Every dynasty imposed their own rules on the populace,every dynasty butchered innocent people,every dynasty becomes mired in corruption then disintegrates.

Singling out the Manchus is simple scapegoating them,if you want to succumb to your persecution complex that Manchus are out to get us Han Chinese then do so.

It wasn't illegal to intermarry between Han and Manchu bannermen.

because hanfu was banned in qing dynasty, so when we talk about hanfu, we can not ignore this history, mongolian has killed more han chinese than manchu in yuan dynasty, why we not talk about that? because they didn't banned hanfu in yuan dynasty, so no need to talk about that.

 

[Snomannen]

按你的所有行为和言语，你绝对不是头一次遇到汉服的问题，你根本就是长久反汉服的，还收集了那么多的歪理邪说。自己看看北齐是谁当家，北齐是鲜卑人，而鲜卑后来自我汉化了，鲜卑孝文帝后来主动汉化，要求禁止鲜卑人说鲜卑语，穿鲜卑服饰，而一律说汉语，穿汉服，行汉礼，所以东西一切尊称汉制

"Oh look, this evil anti-Chinese guy has read more books than I do, also he has more knowledge than me. He must be evil as hell blah blah blah..."

"Nonsense" you say, oh I'm sorry~ those "nonsenses" were written by Song people themselves. Again why don't you jump over window and go yell at them downstairs by yourself~

 

[Andrei]

"Oh look, this evil anti-Chinese guy has read more books than I do, also he has more knowledge than me. He must be evil as hell blah blah blah..."

"Nonsense" you say, oh I'm sorry~ these article were written by Song people themselves. Again why do you jump over window and go yell at them downstairs by yourself~

haha, because i never allow some one who against han chinese all the time, and use two standard , and also mislead others

 

[Grand Historian]

because hanfu was banned in qing dynasty, so when we talk about hanfu, we can not ignore this history, mongolian has killed more han chinese than manchu in yuan dynasty, why we not talk about that? because they didn't banned hanfu in yuan dynasty, so no need to talk about that.

Except that the Manchus didn't systematically wipe out Hanfu and your claim is based on secondary sources.

If this were true why did Chinese opera flourish during the Qing?

Why were Taoist Priests and Buddhist Monks allowed to wear Hanfu?

Why are there existing paintings of average Han wearing Hanfu?

Why are there portraits of Qianlong wearing Hanfu?

If you want to be so close to the ancient/medieval Han why don't you let your hair grow long,bind the foot of your female relatives,ingest mercury for longevity,refuse to live in modern day housing etc.

Why selectively pick Hanfu?

 

[Andrei]

Except that the Manchus didn't systematically wipe out Hanfu and your claim is based on secondary sources.

If this were true why did Chinese opera flourish during the Qing?

Why were Taoist Priests and Buddhist Monks allowed to wear Hanfu?

Why are there existing paintings of average Han wearing Hanfu?

Why are there portraits of Qianlong wearing Hanfu?

If you want to be so close to the ancient/medieval Han why don't you let your hair grow long,bind the foot of your female relatives,ingest mercury for longevity,refuse to live in modern day housing etc.

Why selectively pick Hanfu?

don't you know 十从十不从? Ten allowed ten not allowed?
Some be allowed some be not allowed, because opera , many opera talk about history before qing dynasty, so they can not act opera without hanfu, and for monk, because later manchu belive in buddha , so they allowed too, and they not kille monk too, that's why han people shaved hair and pretened monk , but later manchu soldier found that, and killed monk too. do you know all monks over the world never have nine specks on head, why only han monk have on head? because they do this means they are real monk , not normal han chinese pretend monk to avoid be killed, so then manchu soldier didn't kill them later

 

[Snomannen]

haha, because i never allow some one who against han chinese all the time, and use two standard , and also mislead others

Since when did I use double standards and mislead people~ Can you just grow up a bit and stop being a child who only believes in "white and black". Also everything things I have posted and referred to have references. I have told you many times, if you don't agree with those authors who recorded the history, then you should find them by yourself -window is over there~

 

[Andrei]

Since when did I use double standards and mislead people~ Can you just grow up a bit and stop being a child who only believes in "white and black". Also everything things I have posted and referred to have references. I have told you many times, if you don't agree with those authors who recorded the history, then you should find them by yourself -window is over there~

I already told you many times , at first you deny 剃发易服, you said, there's no sources, so i gave you japanese sources, you said that is not ture, maybe i translated , but later the japanese told you that is true, and later you deny 剃发易服 again, but your manchu friedn said, he admitte 剃发易服 , tell me who use double standards?

 

[Snomannen]

哈哈哈哈，估计你都不知道啥叫满族女性服饰以及旗袍是啥时候流行的
越南奥黛也是旗袍演变而来，想必越南也被满洲统治过

這張由日本人畫的清朝的 "满族女性服饰" 也太奇怪了：

I already told you many times , at first you deny 剃发易服, you said, there's no sources, so i gave you japanese sources, you said that is not ture, maybe i translated , but later the japanese told you that is true, and later you deny 剃发易服 again, but your manchu friedn said, he admitte 剃发易服 , tell me who use double standards?

Another silly lie, since when did I deny 剃发易服 and say that "there's no sources".
You really got some problem in your head, better go check it out.

 

[Andrei]

這張由日本人畫的清朝的 "满族女性服饰" 也太奇怪了：

Another silly lie, since when did I deny 剃发易服 and say that "there's no sources".
You really got some problem in your head, better go check it out.

it's not pained by japan in qing dynasty, i will show you how japan pained in ming dynasty and in qing dynasty

這張由日本人畫的清朝的 "满族女性服饰" 也太奇怪了：

Another silly lie, since when did I deny 剃发易服 and say that "there's no sources".
You really got some problem in your head, better go check it out.

lol, just say there's no sources, sounds like japan government said there's no sources show that japan army forced women be comfort women, how silly you are