Toronto Shooter

[American Pakistani]

He should be cut into pieces and fed to vultures and p1gs.

 

[GHALIB]

No One cares for you so Stop asking embarrassing questions

lololol ..........look at this embarrassed cactus guy , who cares for you ?

 

[El Sidd]

lololol ..........look at this embarrassed cactus guy , who cares for you ?

No one does but Allah

 

[GHALIB]

No one does but Allah

allah cares for all .

 

[El Sidd]

allah cares for all .

We will soon find out

 

[Shamsher1990]

He should be cut into pieces and fed to vultures and p1gs.

The guy is dead.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

He was Canadian first

Let me bust this 'canard'. I don't have sufficient info on this event to make a informed judgement but most of the terrorism that is carried out by ex pat Pakistanis has nothing to do with their adopted countries. The causes of their radicism are exogenous. And mostly traced back to Pakistan. They way you carve this issue is as if the moment a Pakistani gets American or British passport his thought process gets divorced from Pakistan. The fact is even three generations down the road the country of origin exerts massive influence to the point where it exceeds the influence of adopted country.

Take for instance PDF. The webmaster is American right? So I take it he is your regular beer swigging, gun toting, evengelical hillybilly but who has this weird interest in hosting Pakistan Defence? Or explain why significant numbers of PDFers are either American, British etc but take extreme interest in Pakistan current affairs and are embroiled in slingfests with Indians. Many of who themselves are ex-pats. This shows a Canadian Indian is at heart closer to India then he is to his fellow citizen Canadian Pakistani. This quite clearly establishes that both people still adhere to their roots.

I drive around Yorkshire and all I see is Attock restaurent, Rawal Take Away, Lahore Cafe, Jhelum Sweets, Mirpur Cloth Merchants, Pindi tailors flogging Shalwar Kameez and young boys going to mosques that resemble the ones in Pakistan. And you think that is not influence of Pakistan and that these are regular traits of the English? Which world do you live in?

To say that the mother country is having no influence is simple nonsense.

 

[El Sidd]

Let me bust this 'canard'. I don't have sufficient info on this event to make a informed judgement but most of the terrorism that is carried out by ex pat Pakistanis has nothing to do with their adopted countries. The causes of their radicism are exogenous. And mostly traced back to Pakistan. They way you carve this issue is as if the moment a Pakistani gets American or British passport his though process gets divorced from Pakistan. The fact is even three generations down the road the country of origin exerts massive influence to the point where it exceeds the influence of adopted country.

Take for instance PDF. The webmaster is American right? So I take it he is your regular beer swigging, gun toting, evengelical hillybilly but who has this weird interest in hosting Pakistan Defence? Or explain why significant numbers of PDFers are either American, British etc but take extreme interest in Pakistan current affairs and are embroiled in slingfests with Indians. Many of who themselves are ex-pats. This shows a Canadian Indian is at heart closer to India then he is to his fellow citizen Canadian Pakistani. This quite clearly establishes that both people still adhere to their roots.

I drive around Yorkshire and all I see is Attock restaurent, Rawal Take Away, Lahore Cafe, Mirpur Cloth Merchants, Pindi tailors flogging Shalwar Kameez and young boys going to mosques that resemble the ones in Pakistan. And you think that is not influence of Pakistan and that these are regular traits of the English? Which world do you live in?

To say that the mother country is having no influence is simple nonsense.

And you think Pakistan is providing a reason for this because of its islamic roots?

By that sense you are simply saying Muslims fail to Integrale themselves in Western society or is that just Pakistani Muslims in particular or even Islam if you find automatic connection in your head between Islam and terrorism.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And you think Pakistan is providing a reason for this because of its islamic roots?

The Turks, the Kurds, the Iranians have far deeper Islamic roots then Pakistan has but I have yet to see a Turk or a Iranian exploding in London Underground. The causes are complex and relate to the way Pakistani elites have experimented with using religion as a tool to develop nationhood. They forgot. Islam is not a nationhood but a global religion. That contradiction betwen Islam as a global space and Pakistan as a geographic limited with boundaries state is cause of the schizophrenia in Pakistan. That leads to very conflicted sense of identity. And as a 'Muslim' it leads to carrying the dead weight of the entire Muslim world. And because that is huge there is always some crap going on. Result Pakistanis are more prone to extremism of those who use religion. We are ready as cannon fodder for any cause dressed as 'Islamic;.


Listen to this British guy talk of "my people". Who do you think he is talking about "my people"? You can see how he is dressed as regular English guy.

 

[El Sidd]

The Turks, the Kurds, the Iranians have far deeper Islamic roots then Pakistan has but I have yet to see a Turk or a Iranian exploding in London Underground. The causes are complex and relate to the way Pakistani elites have experimented with using religion as a tool to develop nationhood. They forgot. Islam is not a nationhood but a global religion. That contradiction betwen Islam as a global space and Pakistan has a geographic limited with boundaries state is cause of the schizophrenia in Pakistan. That leads to very conflicted sense of identity. And as a 'Muslim' it leads to carrying the dead weight of the entire Muslim world. And because that is huge there is always some crap going on. Result Pakistanis are more prone to extremism of those who use religion. We are ready as cannon fodder for any cause dressed as 'Islamic;.

You can do the Maths yourself that Pakistanis number the least when it comes to such Events.

Even in Pakistan most terror attacks are traced back to Afghanistan and carried out by afghans.

It would be an Extreme unfair bias to Pakistanis if you actually propagate that Pakistan as a state is complicit.

The state cannot isolate itself and needs fleeing. The Separation of Church and state is an Illusion which you dont even believe with all your Western democratic values.

I am Sorry if this comes over as one disjointed piece. I was distracted

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You can do the Maths yourself that Pakistanis number the least when it comes to such Events.

Even in Pakistan most terror attacks are traced back to Afghanistan and carried out by afghans.

It would be an Extreme unfair bias to Pakistanis if you actually propagate that Pakistan as a state is complicit.

The state cannot isolate itself and needs fleeing. The Separation of Church and state is an Illusion which you dont even believe with all your Western democratic values.

I am Sorry if this comes over as one disjointed piece. I was distracted

I will reply back to when I have more time.

 

[Jackdaws]

That is just a false brand that came about 70 years ago. I am talking about the civilization, culture and a wonder called India. Don't you know in the Upanishads India is said to be that land from Pushupura [Peshawar] to Vanga Sea [Bengal Sea] to the land of Coconuts [Sri Lanka]. Everything is India.

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While I opened this thread to take a crack at trhe "India, India, India" crowd but let's not kid ourselves. Pakistan and people of Pakistan extraction have a problem with terrorism. The virus pool is in Pakistan and from that source it spreads across the family links to Pakistanis abroad even as far as London, San Barnandino, New York etc. The India despite being vastly in larger numbers are not afflicted. Indeed a study to look at why Indians have on whole not been drawn to terrorism abroad but Pakistanis have would be illustrative and expose the problem at the very heart of the narrative cultivated by the Pakistani state which has been so destructive. Instead of fostering a sense of united nation state it produced a mass of confused people with divergent pulls of a nation state and and identity as a 'Muslim'.

And to the Indians. The point I am making is if anything remotely is positive and comes from region coterminous to Pakistan the whole lot of you will go and try appropriating by singing the "India, India, India" card. Here I am playing it back to you guys but I notice because the incident is not positive - indeed it is big negative your all fast to distance from it.

Keep that in mind next time you place your grubby hands on the region coterminous to Pakistan.

Why just there? I would say that the Indic civilization extends from where the Persian civilization ends near the Pak border right upto Cambodia.
And not just us, all of you too should be proud of that civilization. Aren't Egyptians proud of their pre-Islamic heritage?

The terrorists coming out are not a product of the civilization; they are the result of the flawed policies of a nation-station i.e. Pakistan. Lumping their actions on the entire civilization is fanciful.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I would say that the Indic civilization extends from where the Persian civilization ends near the Pak border right upto Cambodia.

Well I don't care what you say. In your fantasy you can imagine the entire globe as "Indic" much like those Islamists dream of some super ummah from the Atlantic to India to Malaysia. I can come up with terms like "Pakistanic" or some other rubbish as excuse plunder other people heritage. It's like those Black Africans who dream they are heirs to Ancient Egypt because Egypt is in Africa. This is what people who have nothing but primitivness do to try reify a entity so that they can plunder other's peoples heritage.

 

[Jackdaws]

Well I don't care what you say. In your fantasy you can imagine the entire globe as "Indic" much like those Islamists dream of some super ummah from the Atlantic to India to Malaysia. I can come up with terms like "Pakistanic" or some other rubbish as excuse plunder other people heritage. It's like those Black Africans who dream they are heirs to Ancient Egypt because Egypt is in Africa. This is what people who have nothing but primitivness do to try reify a entity so that they can plunder other's peoples heritage.

Your analogy and examples are bizarre. But I see you have made up your mind. So no point discussing. Good day.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Your analogy and examples are bizarre

Simple -

• Black Africans - claim all of Africa
• Indians - claim all of the sub-continent.