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Top Kashmiri leader asks Pakistan to withdraw from peace pacts with India

Don't shift goal posts.

You said that he was pro-India / pro-freedom which he never has been. Now either prove that he was pro-India or pro-freedom or stay quiet.

Moreover, it was Pakistan's policy to dump the freedom fighters. And it was Musharraf who pursued that policy to find a "peaceful" solution. Those who did that in Kashmir simply did what Pakistani state asked them to do.
That Pakistani policy of no support to mujahideen stands to this very day, we still do not allow anyone to cross over to procure arms or training. Our PM referred to Pulwama as a "tragedy" and you talk about freedom fighters when our own state has declared them a nuisance and occasionally calls them militants and terrorists.

P.S I can stay a lot about many Pakistanis of all ethnicities from Balochistan to FATA to Karachi to Punjab who picked up guns and killed more than 50,000 of their own countrymen. But, every abuse is reserved for the Kashmiris by many Pakistanis here which is not only sad but also disgusting.
@Sine Nomine
If anyone thinks that Kashmir would be given on platter to Pakistan is a fool.Whatever lot of dictators have done has costed Pakistan an arm and leg till now.
 
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DG ISPR said that same thing. The last line in his tweet is in effect what Mr Gillani saying more elaborately.


One most important thing which is being ignored here is "Time factor"......in some time demography of IOK will be altered..then what will be the use of giving people of Kashmir, right of self determination? vote to be part of India?
 
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One most important thing which is being ignored here is "Time factor"......in some time demography of IOK will be altered..then what will be the use of giving people of Kashmir, right of self determination? vote to be part of India?
Hmm....thats a valid point. Time is essence.
 
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Don't shift goal posts.

You said that he was pro-India / pro-freedom which he never has been. Now either prove that he was pro-India or pro-freedom or stay quiet.

Moreover, it was Pakistan's policy to dump the freedom fighters. And it was Musharraf who pursued that policy to find a "peaceful" solution. Those who did that in Kashmir simply did what Pakistani state asked them to do.
That Pakistani policy of no support to mujahideen stands to this very day, we still do not allow anyone to cross over to procure arms or training. Our PM referred to Pulwama as a "tragedy" and you talk about freedom fighters when our own state has declared them a nuisance and occasionally calls them militants and terrorists.

P.S I can stay a lot about many Pakistanis of all ethnicities from Balochistan to FATA to Karachi to Punjab who picked up guns and killed more than 50,000 of their own countrymen. But, every abuse is reserved for the Kashmiris by many Pakistanis here which is not only sad but also disgusting.
@Sine Nomine
You must be Kashmir, which will say alot. You compared foreign terrorists and called them people that killed pakistanis, then proceeded to compare them to the freedom fighter of Kashmir. Congratulations, you are a terrorist sympathizer.


It hurts to show you, your reflection but most of you Kashmiris were singing songs of independence. So why should we spill out blood for you to ask for separation from Pakistan, later on?

Aslo shame on you for creating divides btw Pakistanis
 
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Top leader .
There is no top leader there .People like Gilani is already done .
Why these people was so silent when GoI spends per person in Kashmir Rs 27 ,000 +, while in other states on Rs 8227.?
These people were using poor Kashmiris for their own benefit .

Not anymore .Whatever we spends in there will directly see in the Kashmir .
We will see just like your Su30's. Your kind spent 10 plus years on this very forum preaching vedic tech that you guys got and on Feb 27 that vedic tech was showcased to the whole world. So your words on Kashmir are as meaningless as the Vir Chakr of Abhinanadan.
 
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One most important thing which is being ignored here is "Time factor"......in some time demography of IOK will be altered..then what will be the use of giving people of Kashmir, right of self determination? vote to be part of India?

Things will become clear when siege is eventually lifted or become irrelevant as time passes by. The fatigue will set in for India.

Let's see who among the RSS hindu terrorists got balls to go and settle in Kashmir and attempt the "demographic change" as you mentioned.
 
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Things will become clear when siege is eventually lifted or become irrelevant as time passes by. The fatigue will set in for India.

Let's see who among the RSS hindu terrorists got balls to go and settle in Kashmir and attempt the "demographic change" as you mentioned.

I have a different view...
What is disputed? Whole of Jammu and Kashmir
Who will vote (if given ROSD)? .. All who live there (Dogras, Sunni Muslims, Shia Muslims, Buddhist)
Now can you prevent India from settling people in Jammu, Kargil or Laddakh region......Srinagar valley and adjoining areas are not whole of J&K. and outcome of that voting (if it happens) will not be treated per pockets of land..it will be aggregated and considered for the whole region.....

* ROSD-Right of Self Determination
 
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I have a different view...
What is disputed? Whole of Jammu and Kashmir
Who will vote (if given ROSD)? .. All who live there (Dogras, Sunni Muslims, Shia Muslims, Buddhist)
Now can you prevent India from settling people in Jammu, Kargil or Laddakh region......Srinagar valley and adjoining areas are not whole of J&K. and outcome of that voting (if it happens) will not be treated per pockets of land..it will be aggregated and considered for the whole region.....

* ROSD-Right of Self Determination

spot on....I feel that somehow Pakistan was outsmarted by Modi gov with this move..Forget Pakistan, even there is not any moment when indian ever thought that 370 will be gone for ever..
Any way, each passing day from now onwards will always reduce the probability of Kashmir valley accession to Pakistan...Either Pakistan should act now or it will be a tough for them to capture valley
 
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You must be Kashmir, which will say alot. You compared foreign terrorists and called them people that killed pakistanis, then proceeded to compare them to the freedom fighter of Kashmir. Congratulations, you are a terrorist sympathizer.


It hurts to show you, your reflection but most of you Kashmiris were singing songs of independence. So why should we spill out blood for you to ask for separation from Pakistan, later on?

Aslo shame on you for creating divides btw Pakistanis
Blah blah blah
You must be Kashmir,
Am I? Nope. Comes from Potohar plateau.
You compared foreign terrorists and called them people that killed pakistanis
Oh please stop this crap.

Which one of these was foreign?
Nek Muhammad
Abdullah Mehsud
Baitullah Mehsud
Hakimullah Mehsud
Ihsan ullah Ihsan
Omer Khalid Khurasani
Mullah Fazlullah
Molvi Faqir
Brahimdagh Bugti
Hirbyar Muree
Dr Allah Nazar Baloch
Altaf Hussein
Uzair Baloch
Malik Ishaq
Congratulations, you are a terrorist sympathizer.
When did I sympathize with them. Comprehension issues? I merely told you to check your own closet before lamenting others.
It hurts to show you, your reflection but most of you Kashmiris were singing songs of independence. So why should we spill out blood for you to ask for separation from Pakistan, later on?
Palestenians want ilhaq with Pakistan? Did Bosnia join federation of Pakistan? Or will Turkey become our fifth province?
And if you think that India will stop at Kashmir then 21 gun salute to your thinking. When India will stop your water then I will see who will want to spill blood.

And the original question stands. When did Syed Ali Gilani ever sing pro-India or pro-Independence tone? The thing is, you lied; and you don't have enough moral courage to admit that.
Aslo shame on you for creating divides btw Pakistanis
It hurts to show you, your reflection

@Sine Nomine

 
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Blah blah blah

Am I? Nope. Comes from Potohar plateau.

Oh please stop this crap.

Which one of these was foreign?
Nek Muhammad
Abdullah Mehsud
Baitullah Mehsud
Hakimullah Mehsud
Ihsan ullah Ihsan
Omer Khalid Khurasani
Mullah Fazlullah
Molvi Faqir
Brahimdagh Bugti
Hirbyar Muree
Dr Allah Nazar Baloch
Altaf Hussein
Uzair Baloch
Malik Ishaq

When did I sympathize with them. Comprehension issues? I merely told you to check your own closet before lamenting others.

Palestenians want ilhaq with Pakistan? Did Bosnia join federation of Pakistan? Or will Turkey become our fifth province?
And if you think that India will stop at Kashmir then 21 gun salute to your thinking. When India will stop your water then I will see who will want to spill blood.

And the original question stands. When did Syed Ali Gilani ever sing pro-India or pro-Independence tone? The thing is, you lied; and you don't have enough moral courage to admit that.

It hurts to show you, your reflection

@Sine Nomine
We will not spill blood for any of those. That's final. You seem to think Pakistan is the UN and will fight for every Tom Jerry that wants freedom from whatever bs.

You compared the Kashmiri freedom fighters to terrorists in Pakistan then you also called everyone in balochistan and kpk a terrorist. So am I having comprehension issues? No but you are having serious issues with whatever it is your dealing with.

If the Indian side of Kashmir wants freedom then it will have to fight and ask to be unified with Pakistan, otherwise we will play the long game and wait for both sides to bleed themselves.

Blah blah blah

Am I? Nope. Comes from Potohar plateau.

Oh please stop this crap.

Which one of these was foreign?
Nek Muhammad
Abdullah Mehsud
Baitullah Mehsud
Hakimullah Mehsud
Ihsan ullah Ihsan
Omer Khalid Khurasani
Mullah Fazlullah
Molvi Faqir
Brahimdagh Bugti
Hirbyar Muree
Dr Allah Nazar Baloch
Altaf Hussein
Uzair Baloch
Malik Ishaq

When did I sympathize with them. Comprehension issues? I merely told you to check your own closet before lamenting others.

Palestenians want ilhaq with Pakistan? Did Bosnia join federation of Pakistan? Or will Turkey become our fifth province?
And if you think that India will stop at Kashmir then 21 gun salute to your thinking. When India will stop your water then I will see who will want to spill blood.

And the original question stands. When did Syed Ali Gilani ever sing pro-India or pro-Independence tone? The thing is, you lied; and you don't have enough moral courage to admit that.

It hurts to show you, your reflection

@Sine Nomine
So my reflection is that I'm a terrorist? @waz @Dubious check this racism
 
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We will not spill blood for any of those. That's final. You seem to think Pakistan is the UN and will fight for every Tom Jerry that wants freedom from whatever bs.

You compared the Kashmiri freedom fighters to terrorists in Pakistan then you also called everyone in balochistan and kpk a terrorist. So am I having comprehension issues? No but you are having serious issues with whatever it is your dealing with.

If the Indian side of Kashmir wants freedom then it will have to fight and ask to be unified with Pakistan, otherwise we will play the long game and wait for both sides to bleed themselves.


So my reflection is that I'm a terrorist? @waz @Dubious check this racism

Seriously...even i am also confused with your post...Geelani always asked to get united with Pakistan...Why are you upset with his message???
Of course it is a different issue, if i would react to this post differently...bur prior to my reaction, i was confused about your argument with your Pakistan posters...
 
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We will not spill blood for any of those. That's final. You seem to think Pakistan is the UN and will fight for every Tom Jerry that wants freedom from whatever bs.

You compared the Kashmiri freedom fighters to terrorists in Pakistan then you also called everyone in balochistan and kpk a terrorist. So am I having comprehension issues? No but you are having serious issues with whatever it is your dealing with.

If the Indian side of Kashmir wants freedom then it will have to fight and ask to be unified with Pakistan, otherwise we will play the long game and wait for both sides to bleed themselves.


So my reflection is that I'm a terrorist? @waz @Dubious check this racism

You both @Pakhtoon yum and @Psychic, in your mutual fight, are providing very good material to Gangadoos, for taking jibes at Pakistan and people of IoJk. Kindly think about it.
 
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You compared the Kashmiri freedom fighters to terrorists in Pakistan then you also called everyone in balochistan and kpk a terrorist. So am I having comprehension issues? No but you are having serious issues with whatever it is your dealing with.
YES you are having comprehension issues. Clearly proven by your post quoted above.

Because I never compared anyone fighting in K to anyone fighting in P. The intention was to merely encourage you to check the quality of our own people and question their loyalty to Pakistan as well while you are at it.
I merely applied your own "logic" to our people.

then you also called everyone in balochistan and kpk a terrorist.
I did not do that; however, you did that to the Kashmiris --- by calling everyone pro-India and pro-freedom.

Again, I merely applied your own "logic" to our people. To tell you how flawed your logic was.
? @waz @Dubious check this racism
Easy now, you might bust a nerve.

BTW rich coming from someone who has been exhibiting racism against Kashmiris for quite some time. Declaring all of them pro-freedom or pro-India.

And you went too far with your bigotry by slandering someone like Gilani who has always remained pro-Pakistan. And you haven't apologized for deliberately lying and spreading disinformation against someone who has spent a decade in jail/house arrest for being pro-Pakistan. Come back when you admit that you lied.
Today, they are burying their dead in Pak flags......And you don't want to spill blood. OK

Don't spill blood if you are too afraid of Bharat or USA. But don't give lame excuses for it.

Now I will do you a favor and not respond to you so that your blood pressure may lower a bit.

So long.

You both @Pakhtoon yum and @Psychic, in your mutual fight, are providing very good material to Gangadoos, for taking jibes at Pakistan and people of IoJk. Kindly think about it.
When he started it, no one had the courage to call out his lie(SAG being pro-India or pro-Freedom).

Had every other Pakistani member refuted his false claim right there and then, then this wouldn't have gone down that road. In fact, he has been doing it for a long time, and the fact that no one corrects him has only led to solidification of false narratives in his mind which he thinks are true.

He paints every Kashmiri with the same brush but is hurt when similar logic is applied to other peoples just for the purpose of explaining the fallacy of such logic.
 
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When he started it, no one had the courage to call out his lie(SAG being pro-India or pro-Freedom).

Had every other Pakistani member refuted his false claim right there and then, then this wouldn't have gone down that road. In fact, he has been doing it for a long time, and the fact that no one corrects him has only led to solidification of false narratives in his mind which he thinks are true.

He paints every Kashmiri with the same brush but is hurt when similar logic is applied to other peoples just for the purpose of explaining the fallacy of such logic.

My short experience at PDF is that if you confront some poster, at any issue, and the argument takes a bitter turn; it leads to further hardening of his stance and there is a very bleak chance of change in his opinion, or in views of others, who are condoning him. I personally, generally, withdraw.
 
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