Three Strongest Navies in Southeast Asia (Vietnamese Report)

[Indos]

Three Strongest Navies in Southeast Asia
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22 Mei 2021

TNI AL equipped with two Martadinata class frigates (photo : TNI AL)

Among the three navies that are said to be the most powerful in Southeast Asia, Thailand unexpectedly comes in third place with its aircraft carrier.

According to data from the newly published Military.Wikia site, the navy has the leading power in Southeast Asia today, which is said to be Indonesia.

TNI AL equipped with three Bung Tomo class light frigates (photo : TNI AL)


With a very complex geographical position, this country is required to invest heavily in the navy. Indonesia is also a rare country in the region, capable of building its own frigates.

The country's Martadinata-class missile frigates, locally built by Indonesia, are based on a Dutch license. In addition, the navy is also equipped with Exocet anti-ship missiles from France.

TNI AL also equipped with four Diponegoro class corvettes (photo : TNI AL)


In addition to extremely powerful missile frigates, Indonesia also possesses a large submarine fleet, along with the ability to build its own submarines based on technology transfer from South Korea.

In the event of war, the capabilities of the Indonesian navy will be further enhanced, with its excellent self-manufacturing capacity.

RSN equipped with six Formidable class frigate (photo : RSN)


Quite surprising when Singapore is said to be the country with the second largest naval power in Southeast Asia today.

In particular, the backbone of this country's navy is stealth frigates, built according to the Formidable class designed and manufactured by France.

RSN equipped with six Victory class corvettes (photo : RSN)

All 6 Formidable-class warships of the current Singapore Navy, have put the country into the second most powerful position in the region, despite the fact that Singapore only owns 38 pioneering warships in the service.

RSN also equipped with eight Littoral Mission Vessel (photo : RSN)

The main weapons of the Formidable-class warships in Singapore's service today are the world's most modern Harpoon anti-ship missiles, imported from the US by this country.

RTN equipped with one Korean made DW-3000F frigates and two Chinese made Naresuan class frigates (photo : TAF)


The most surprising point is that 5 of the 6 Formidable-class warships that this country owns, up to 5 are built in the country, only the first one is imported from abroad.

And the most surprising is in third place with Thailand. Despite the country's main use of the Chakri Naruebet aircraft carrier for tourism and visitor service, it is still the only country in Southeast Asia that owns its own aircraft carrier.

RTN equipped with four Chinese made Chao Phraya class frigates (photo : RTN)

According to military experts, the world's smallest aircraft carrier that Thailand owns, is currently not capable of deploying aircraft and has a combat value of zero.

RTN also equipped with corvettes : two US Made Ratanakosin class, two British made Kamronsin class, and two Chinese made Pattani class (photo : RTN)

However, the reputation it brings to Thailand, is indisputable, especially when this is the only aircraft carrier operating in the region. Regardless of the fact that Chakri Naruebet is usable or not, it is still the only aircraft carrier in Southeast Asia today.

HTMS Chakri Naruebet the ones and only aircraft carrier in Southeast Asia (photo : RTN)

The surprising point is that Thailand, despite owning the "biggest" aircraft carrier in the region, does not have a submarine in service. Bangkok's plan to buy submarines S26T from China, has so far been postponed indefinitely.

Ba lực lượng hải quân mạnh nhất Đông Nam Á, bất ngờ với Thái Lan

Trong số ba lực lượng hải quân được cho là mạnh nhất Đông Nam Á, Thái Lan bất ngờ đứng ở vị trí thứ ba với chiếc tàu sân bay chuyên làm du lịch của mình.

kienthuc.net.vn

 

[Varunastra]

Three Strongest Navies in Southeast Asia
​

22 Mei 2021

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TNI AL equipped with two Martadinata class frigates (photo : TNI AL)

Among the three navies that are said to be the most powerful in Southeast Asia, Thailand unexpectedly comes in third place with its aircraft carrier.

According to data from the newly published Military.Wikia site, the navy has the leading power in Southeast Asia today, which is said to be Indonesia.

View attachment 746284
TNI AL equipped with three Bung Tomo class light frigates (photo : TNI AL)


With a very complex geographical position, this country is required to invest heavily in the navy. Indonesia is also a rare country in the region, capable of building its own frigates.

The country's Martadinata-class missile frigates, locally built by Indonesia, are based on a Dutch license. In addition, the navy is also equipped with Exocet anti-ship missiles from France.

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TNI AL also equipped with four Diponegoro class corvettes (photo : TNI AL)


In addition to extremely powerful missile frigates, Indonesia also possesses a large submarine fleet, along with the ability to build its own submarines based on technology transfer from South Korea.

In the event of war, the capabilities of the Indonesian navy will be further enhanced, with its excellent self-manufacturing capacity.


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RSN equipped with six Formidable class frigate (photo : RSN)


Quite surprising when Singapore is said to be the country with the second largest naval power in Southeast Asia today.

In particular, the backbone of this country's navy is stealth frigates, built according to the Formidable class designed and manufactured by France.

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RSN equipped with six Victory class corvettes (photo : RSN)

All 6 Formidable-class warships of the current Singapore Navy, have put the country into the second most powerful position in the region, despite the fact that Singapore only owns 38 pioneering warships in the service.

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RSN also equipped with eight Littoral Mission Vessel (photo : RSN)

The main weapons of the Formidable-class warships in Singapore's service today are the world's most modern Harpoon anti-ship missiles, imported from the US by this country.

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RTN equipped with one Korean made DW-3000F frigates and two Chinese made Naresuan class frigates (photo : TAF)


The most surprising point is that 5 of the 6 Formidable-class warships that this country owns, up to 5 are built in the country, only the first one is imported from abroad.

And the most surprising is in third place with Thailand. Despite the country's main use of the Chakri Naruebet aircraft carrier for tourism and visitor service, it is still the only country in Southeast Asia that owns its own aircraft carrier.

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RTN equipped with four Chinese made Chao Phraya class frigates (photo : RTN)

According to military experts, the world's smallest aircraft carrier that Thailand owns, is currently not capable of deploying aircraft and has a combat value of zero.

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RTN also equipped with corvettes : two US Made Ratanakosin class, two British made Kamronsin class, and two Chinese made Pattani class (photo : RTN)

However, the reputation it brings to Thailand, is indisputable, especially when this is the only aircraft carrier operating in the region. Regardless of the fact that Chakri Naruebet is usable or not, it is still the only aircraft carrier in Southeast Asia today.

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HTMS Chakri Naruebet the ones and only aircraft carrier in Southeast Asia (photo : RTN)

The surprising point is that Thailand, despite owning the "biggest" aircraft carrier in the region, does not have a submarine in service. Bangkok's plan to buy submarines S26T from China, has so far been postponed indefinitely.

Ba lực lượng hải quân mạnh nhất Đông Nam Á, bất ngờ với Thái Lan

Trong số ba lực lượng hải quân được cho là mạnh nhất Đông Nam Á, Thái Lan bất ngờ đứng ở vị trí thứ ba với chiếc tàu sân bay chuyên làm du lịch của mình.

kienthuc.net.vn

Wouldn't be surprised if Indonesia eventually goes for an aircraft carrier to secure interests given it's growing economy and volatile neighborhood.
Any such plans to improve specifically blue water capability currently? LHDs, large fleet supports/tankers, carriers, ssns?
The Thai one is seriously only an helicopter carrier. Don't even know if it's operational.

 

[Indos]

List of equipment of the Indonesian Navy


The Indonesian Navy (Indonesian: Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut, TNI–AL) was founded on 10 September 1945. the Indonesian Navy had about 75,000 active personnel and more than 236 vessels in active service.

The equipment of the Indonesian Navy can be subdivided into: vessels, aircraft, munitions, small arms, vehicles, and attire. These also includes the equipment of the Marine Corps, KOPASKA and Denjaka special forces.

List of equipment of the Indonesian Navy

The Indonesian Navy (Indonesian: Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut, TNI–AL) was founded on 10 September 1945. the Indonesian Navy had about 75,000 active personnel and more than 236 vessels in active service. The equipment of the Indonesian Navy can be subdivided into: vessels, aircraft...

military.wikia.org

 

[Song Hong]

The stubborness and inflexibility of choosing overwhelming NATO weapon has affect Singapore defence capabilities, as well as draining her coffer.

As for Vietnam, the navy has been making shrewd purchase from Russia and Israel. But she is proscribe from using China weapons. Again this impede Vietnamese capabilities.

 

[AViet]

The stubborness and inflexibility of choosing overwhelming NATO weapon has affect Singapore defence capabilities, as well as draining her coffer.

As for Vietnam, the navy has been making shrewd purchase from Russia and Israel. But she is proscribe from using China weapons. Again this impede Vietnamese capabilities.

Aside from the production line of new rifles in Z111 factory, I do not know what Vietnam has actually purchased from Israel. Can you clarify more?

Some information which I know are as below:

1. In early 2010s, Vietnam refused to buy Israel's Air Defense System because it was charged very high price by Israeli partner, and then Viettel has successfully developed our own one.

2. The T-54 tanks were initially planned to be upgraded by Israel, but Vietnam refused, again due to high price. We have done the works by ourselves, and the first batch of T-54M upgraded in Vietnam by Z-153 factory have just been put into service. (the components are imported from other countries, not from Israel)

What hardware Israel can actually manufacture, aside from small arms and assembling parts and components made in other countries? They do not have strong metallurgy industry (if any at all), engine manufacture capability (either diesel for tank or propeller for UAV), nor electronic production. All they have are IT and small arms production, AFAIK.

Looking at patents filling in WIPO's annual report in last 10 years, Israel is nowhere near China (1st), Japan (3rd), Korea (4th) or Germany (5th), which are among the top 5 together with the US (2nd). They are not even in top 10. Their over-hyped tanks, UAVs, missiles etc. are just assembly works, not unlike Singapore, Indonesia or India.

 

[Beast]

RTN has the most powerful frigate of the 3. Equipped with MK-41 silo that is even capable of housing tomahawk cruise missile for long range attack missile.

 

[Song Hong]

The Vietnam navy marines looks far more handsome and smart than the army sentry standing outside Hoang Quoc Viet Hanoi or Son Tay.

Look at the rifle, it is Israel Tar21.

 

[Beast]

The Vietnam navy marines looks far more handsome and smart than the army sentry standing outside Hoang Quoc Viet Hanoi or Son Tay.

Look at the rifle, it is Israel Tar21.

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Vietnamese will have the strongest army of the 3.

 

[Beast]

VCM-01 from Russia is a good guy. Let say Vietnam navy surface vessel engage Singapore vessel alone and nothing else, Vietnam navy is going to sink everyone.

I have commented on Vietnam forum.

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Not necessary the long range anti-ship missile will be better.

Israel navy with their very short range Gabriel missile (40km) manage to defeat the bigger Egypt Navy armed with Styx missile (67km). Israel superior ECM makes those longer range Styx missile useless.

 

[Song Hong]

Vietnam K-300P has a range of 300km land to ship. Fortunately Taiwan has non of these.

Neither Singapore is as advance.

I can say Vietnam navy is the most powerful in SE Asia.

 

[艹艹艹]

Vietnam’s maritime militia is the most powerful in ASEAN

 

[Song Hong]

Vietnam navy has 5 naval region.

 

[Indos]

Wouldn't be surprised if Indonesia eventually goes for an aircraft carrier to secure interests given it's growing economy and volatile neighborhood.
Any such plans to improve specifically blue water capability currently? LHDs, large fleet supports/tankers, carriers, ssns?
The Thai one is seriously only an helicopter carrier. Don't even know if it's operational.

I think we are not going to have any aircraft carrier since we dont have any ambitious plan to control large areas of sea except our own sea territory.

PT PAL Indonesia has offered this helicopter carrier since 2014 but no respond from Navy until now

What we need to do is to wait for KF 21/IFX to complete its development in 2026 inshaAllah and then build this plane for at least 200 planes and develop wingman STEALTH drone for this plane that has been designed to have this capability.

While in the mean time we have to rely on our F 16 , Su 30/27, Hawk 200, and T 50i (attack and trainer version)

Indonesia has low cost strategy which is to build many Fast Missile Boat where KCR 40 program is built in private owned shipbuilding and KCR 60 program is built in state owned shipbuilding (PT PAL)

KCR 40 (Fast Missile Boat 40 meter)

It has low RCS, much cheaper than frigate or corvette and proven to be effective

Next is Stealth missile boat is prepared

Minisubmarine with capability to launch torpedo is also plan to be built and it possibly unmanned

 

[Song Hong]

Kilo Submarine of Vietnam. This is the best among the class.

So what is Singapore navy strong at? Basically Singapore navy is an arounder. Singapore has a lot of money. Singapore has marine aviation.

 

[Varunastra]

I think we are not going to have any aircraft carrier since we dont have any ambitious plan to control large areas of sea except our own sea territory.

PT PAL Indonesia has offered this helicopter carrier since 2014 but no respond from Navy until now

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What we need to do is to wait for KF 21/IFX to complete its development in 2026 inshaAllah and then build this plane for at least 200 planes and develop wingman STEALTH drone for this plane that has been designed to have this capability.

While in the mean time we have to rely on our F 16 , Su 30/27, Hawk 200, and T 50i (attack and trainer version)

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Indonesia has low cost strategy which is to build many Fast Missile Boat where KCR 40 program is built in private owned shipbuilding and KCR 60 program is built in state owned shipbuilding (PT PAL)

KCR 40 (Fast Missile Boat 40 meter)

It has low RCS, much cheaper than frigate or corvette and proven to be effective

Next is Stealth missile boat is prepared

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Minisubmarine with capability to launch torpedo is also plan to be built and it possibly unmanned

So it will be safe to assume that Indonesia places more priority to its airforce than it's navy? Given the size of it's coastline and islands I would have assumed a more aggressive naval posture.
But large naval vessels are also platforms of power projection, so I guess going for smaller platforms makes sense if only defense is in mind, more numbers also can be built to guard local interests.