Three Strongest Navies in Southeast Asia (Vietnamese Report)

[Smarana Mitra]

Here, so next time do search instead of relying on your own assumption or comment by Indian members in Indian Defense Forum.

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Indonesia started engine manufacturing in 2020. Before that it did not have it. So, it is only a latest development and that too with Japanese technology transfer

Why did you jumped from Vietnamese to Indonesians? not convenient for your retort?
Indonesia isn't even the most attractive region for foreign manufacturers,it's notorious for its unfavourable policies toward foreign manufacturers.

I have done extensive research on Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia during 2017 and hence I bring these countries when it comes to ASEAN and don't include Vietnam. However coming to Vietnam, Vietnam automotive industry is reliant on imported kits and can't make its own engines and key parts. Vietnam only assembles cars

Except for Singapore the others make cars. It's funny how you tend to skim past certain nations to fit your narrative.They have their own local brand,just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean there's none ,do your homework,it's basic . Thailand has the 12th largest automotive industry in the world ,hence'asian don't make cars" is wrong.

Actually no ASEAN country could make a car engine prior to 2020. Indonesia got a car engine from Toyota using JP TOT in 2020 to have its first engine factory.

Source for 65 nm?
Though Malaysia does have fabs regardless.

It was in news that DRDO has released tender for setting up 65nm fab. I don't have time to find that article now. But even IDRW had published it as I remember reading here.

Just simple googling can find this thing :

TMMIN plants produces two gasoline and ethanol engines: TR (Sunter Plant #1 & #2) and R-NR (Karawang Plant #3). There are two types of TR engine made from iron, 1TR and 2TR. These machines are used for car with IMV (Innovative Multipurpose Vehicle) type like Fortuner and Innova. Furthermore, R-NR engine which is made from aluminum, also has two types, 1RN and 2RN. These engines are used for sedan like Yaris, Vios & MAV (Multi Activity Vehicle) like Sienta. Both engines are produced not only for domestic market but also for many countries in the world.

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Global Manufacturing Company | Manufacturing Product

www.toyota.co.id

@Smarana Mitra

Indonesia diesel engine manufacturing for cars started only in 2020. Before it only made petrol engines for 2 wheelers.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Here's the latest stats than ,from US Energy adminstration.


https://www.eia.gov/international/d...vvvvvvnvvvs0008&s=94694400000&e=1609459200000

As I already mentioned before Mineral fuels including oil provides just US$25.6 b, 15.7% of total export for Indonesia in 2020.
India's Mineral fuels including oil is US$44.1 billion 13.7% of total exports.
India makes more but is less % of the total export by just 2% .

If oil was all to it,India is no different.

Read properly.

Firstly it is not annual production but daily production. Second, it includes refinery gains, NGPL and other liquids which include ethanol. This is absurd as ethanol, refinery gains are not crude oil. Also, NGPL is not exactly oil either. Indian crude oil and condensate total just 630k barrels a day which is very low

 

[Indos]

Indonesia started engine manufacturing in 2020. Before that it did not have it. So, it is only a latest development and that too with Japanese technology transfer

Actually no ASEAN country could make a car engine prior to 2020. Indonesia got a car engine from Toyota using JP TOT in 2020 to have its first engine factory.

It was in news that DRDO has released tender for setting up 65nm fab. I don't have time to find that article now. But even IDRW had published it as I remember reading here.

Indonesia diesel engine manufacturing for cars started only in 2020. Before it only made petrol engines for 2 wheelers.

LOL did you even bother to check my link ?? It is Toyota dude, not Honda, Toyota doesnt produce any motorcycle

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TMMIN plants produces two gasoline and ethanol engines: TR (Sunter Plant #1 & #2) and R-NR (Karawang Plant #3). There are two types of TR engine made from iron, 1TR and 2TR. These machines are used for car with IMV (Innovative Multipurpose Vehicle) type like Fortuner and Innova. Furthermore, R-NR engine which is made from aluminum, also has two types, 1RN and 2RN. These engines are used for sedan like Yaris, Vios & MAV (Multi Activity Vehicle) like Sienta. Both engines are produced not only for domestic market but also for many countries in the world

This show export data only, so the manufacturing could start long before it for domestic use

Global Manufacturing Company | Manufacturing Product

www.toyota.co.id

 

[Indos]

This Indian relies data based on his own assumption or his friend comment in Indian Defense Forum

 

[Indos]

Indonesia started engine manufacturing in 2020. Before that it did not have it. So, it is only a latest development and that too with Japanese technology transfer

Since the start of engine production in 1982, TMMIN continues to keep up with the development of engine technology. TR Engine was initially produced in 2004 and the production continues to increase from year to year to meet the customer needs.

Global Manufacturing Company | Manufacturing Product

www.toyota.co.id

Next time dont use your feeling as judgement, will you ?

 

[Indos]

Just to show Indonesia national companies who produce many car components in Indonesia and also for overseas market.

@Smarana Mitra

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Since the start of engine production in 1982, TMMIN continues to keep up with the development of engine technology. TR Engine was initially produced in 2004 and the production continues to increase from year to year to meet the customer needs.

Global Manufacturing Company | Manufacturing Product

www.toyota.co.id

Next time dont use your feeling as judgement, will you ?

Can you bother to tell me which car uses TR engine? Also, why are the TR engines made from Iron when most other engines are aluminium?

 

[Indos]

Can you bother to tell me which car uses TR engine? Also, why are the TR engines made from Iron when most other engines are aluminium?

I am not engineers, so I cant explain. About which cars use the iron engine and which cars use aluminium one, you will know it if you try to read more carefully on the official website of Toyota Indonesia Manufacturing that I have posted above, they both manufacture iron and aluminium based engines.

And the company is a join Japanese-Indonesian one, not entirely Japanese own. Astra Indonesia has stake on the company.

 

[Indos]

Another submarine order from Indonesia. Another three Changbogo submarine contract has been signed in 2019 and Today the effective contract is waiting submarine building infrasructure to complete in PT PAL. Previous submarine infrastructure is not adequate to handle this second bach contract.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396909866745278464

 

[Viet]

I am not engineers, so I cant explain. About which cars use the iron engine and which cars use aluminium one, you will know it if you try to read more carefully on the official website of Toyota Indonesia Manufacturing that I have posted above, they both manufacture iron and aluminium based engines.

And the company is a join Japanese-Indonesian one, not entirely Japanese own. Astra Indonesia has stake on the company.

Basically, car engines blocs are made by cast iron covered by graphite. To reduce weight, modern car engines are made by aluminum with the surface covered by silicon. There are pro and con. Cast iron withstand higher temperatures and extreme pressure.

 

[Leishangthem]

Indonesia started engine manufacturing in 2020. Before that it did not have it. So, it is only a latest development and that too with Japanese technology transfer

I have done extensive research on Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia during 2017 and hence I bring these countries when it comes to ASEAN and don't include Vietnam. However coming to Vietnam, Vietnam automotive industry is reliant on imported kits and can't make its own engines and key parts. Vietnam only assembles cars

Indonesia diesel engine manufacturing for cars started only in 2020. Before it only made petrol engines for 2 wheelers.

And India started making engines indigenously by itself without tech transfer and screwdriver engineering?Genius!

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I have done extensive research on Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia during 2017 and hence I bring these countries when it comes to ASEAN and don't include Vietnam. However coming to Vietnam, Vietnam automotive industry is reliant on imported kits and can't make its own engines and key parts. Vietnam only assembles cars

You keep jumping from one topic to another,I was talking about various factors that determines how investors chose manufacturing site,in work force- human capital quality,logistics,ease of business ASEAN nations lead.
India is an unpredictable and volatile mess and nightmare for logistics when compared,and the workers are some of the most dramatic,poor work ethic , demanding and troublesome in ASIA ,they can cause a strike anytime over any ridiculous issue ,halting the whole production process.India isn't a business friendly state;scamming ,fraud,fascist gov policies, that's the concept of India among foreign investors by now.
If not for Indian market, or the lax laws which allows chemical and other hazardous plants to operate,the kind of plants that are banned or almost impossible to get approved for operating in most nations,hardly anyone would set up a manufacturing base in India.



What Is ASEAN?

• It is an intergovernmental organization of ten Southeast Asian countries: Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam.

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Firstly it is not annual production but daily production. Second, it includes refinery gains, NGPL and other liquids which include ethanol. This is absurd as ethanol, refinery gains are not crude oil. Also, NGPL is not exactly oil either. Indian crude oil and condensate total just 630k barrels a day which is very low

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so what if it's daily production? that's your avg daily production ,you can construe the annual production .
NGPL and other liquids are derivative from oil industry and always combined,That's how whole world measres.On each and every stat India and Indonesia are similar ,with India leading in most,with annual Indian oil production

 

[Smarana Mitra]

so what if it's daily production? that's your avg daily production ,you can construe the annual production .
NGPL and other liquids are derivative from oil industry and always combined,That's how whole world measres.On each and every stat India and Indonesia are similar ,with India leading in most,with annual Indian oil production

What absurdity! India clearly states its oil production in PPAC website. Why don't you check there instead of blabbering using 3d party sources which use their whimsical methods??

And India started making engines indigenously by itself without tech transfer and screwdriver engineering?Genius!

Yeah, India just got TOT for basic car diesel engines in 2020! What a loser! If you don't know anything, don't talk

You keep jumping from one topic to another,I was talking about various factors that determines how investors chose manufacturing site,in work force- human capital quality,logistics,ease of business ASEAN nations lead.
India is an unpredictable and volatile mess and nightmare for logistics when compared,and the workers are some of the most dramatic,poor work ethic , demanding and troublesome in ASIA ,they can cause a strike anytime over any ridiculous issue ,halting the whole production process.India isn't a business friendly state;scamming ,fraud,fascist gov policies, that's the concept of India among foreign investors by now.
If not for Indian market, or the lax laws which allows chemical and other hazardous plants to operate,the kind of plants that are banned or almost impossible to get approved for operating in most nations,hardly anyone would set up a manufacturing base in India.



What Is ASEAN?

• It is an intergovernmental organization of ten Southeast Asian countries: Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam.

You talk of arbitrary parameters without any proper scale of measurement. No country has set up manufacturing base in another country just as investment. These permanent investments are always political. Depending on what political alliance the investor country has, it will invest in a country or not.

There is no point in harping over your fantasy of human capital, ease of business etc as all of them are dependent on political alliance, not on any actual parameter. You are simply a fraudulent christian with agendas against India and talking retarded words.