This to Generals for this !

[xxl09]

There is only 1 political party which has created this hatred amongst its supporters for the Army. It is agreed that the actions of the Military higher ups have been quite undemocratic, authoritative and outside law & legal mandate. However, even MQM, a party which faced serious military action, did not create this type of hatred for the Army which this man Imran Khan does day and night to the point where his sheep are repeating his bleat in the most arrogant, selfish and dishonorable means available. Pretty soon they will be wishing and inviting Indian Army to destroy Pak Army just to satisfy the ego of their leader whose ego just cannot be fulfilled.

Initially Bajwa was the father and now Bajwa is the worst. Imran Khan cannot even continue with his own policy or plan and his hired team of social media influencers has cause heart breaking damage to the youth who are easily influenced by the constant bombardment of lies and propaganda. Initially it was a US conspiracy and then it became home grown. Every narrative changes with time to suit Imran Khan and that's what politicians do. But the sheep, oh the sheep, how they lap up every disgusting lie and story that he concocts, that's his real victory.

But the thing is, sheep will always be sheep and there will always be ways to brainwash them with other nonsense.

dude you some GHQ crack still.
1. Comparing mqm to pti really ? if you say yes then you are the sheep
2. Just because every other party have given their right to ghq to rape them whenever they want should pti follow same ?
3. A traitor drunk general can highjack the whole PAK fauj and use it to crush Pakistani is ok and we should not say a word. now that's a sheep mentality.
4. initially every reporter journalist and politician and every Pakistani because he was chief of Pak army not some Rommel or Guderian but eventually everyone realized that he is a pussy general so in order to hide his cowardness bajwa went after its own nation. Same Bajwa for whom one politician said was sweating and campyain tang rahi thi in 2019.
5. now we saw the so called sophisticated pandu namaloom affrad. ISI must be very proud serving under Nadeem Anjum.
such a tragedy, from servants and warriors of Allah to now serving a drunk General and doing his biding and killing the people of same Allah. bravo, i have read that IBLEES Known as shaitan had a such a downfall and he promised to destroy the people of the same master whom he once served .
FROM GREATNESS TO SHAYITAN (DEVIL)
AND SHAYITAN is doing same what PAK ARMY is doing to PAKISTAN. DESTROYING THE PEOPLE OF SAME MASTER CREATING CORRUPTION IN SAME LAND OF THE MASTER ONCE THEY SERVED. WE RESPECT YOU NO MORE.
WE ARE MUSLIMS AND ALLAH ORDERED US IN HOLY QURAN THAT DONT EVEN SAY UFF TO YOUR PARENTS BUT IF THEY COMMAND YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST ALLAH DONT FOLLOW THAT COMMAND. SO WHO THE HELL THESE GUYS THINK THEY ARE.

 

[Iron Shrappenel]

Khawy Jernail

Tay zaleel huway jawan

 

[tman786]

Throughout my life in the UK, i have beaten countless Indians for cursing Pakistan, many for much less than that.

If PTI is banned, the beating Indians will get from me, will be just as severe but I won't get the buzz of nationalism.

What have these generals done?

Destroyed our unity against enemies and made beating Indians less fun and rewarding.

 

[salarsikander]

his oath is for the country, the country is not for the oath and hence when his country is vulnerable to an oath, he will break it to save the country.

except the country was broekn into two by th very same people who broke the oath to save it ?
Tycpial shit fking Pkaistani Logic

he only difference between us and them is the fact that there all institutions remain within their constitutional limits. But it's not like they don't have corrupt politicians.

Readme previous post I explained it you above, you repeating the same thing that i told you in first response about this

 

[Mav3rick]

except the country was broekn into two by th very same people who broke the oath to save it ?
Tycpial shit fking Pkaistani Logic

If that is indeed the case then why do the Bengali hate ZAB the same as the PA, perhaps even more?

You can place blame on the Army or the ZAB or the entire establishment or even the Bengali but fact is that a Pakistan thousands of km's apart and not a single thing in common except religion was just not going to stay united. In hindsight, it was perhaps a poor decision to even accept partition this way.

However, having said the above, one cannot be judged on the actions of his/her predecessors. One has to be judged on merit and on merit, nobody just abandons his child, his prodigy, after investing so much in him and when one does abandon the prodigy then there has to be a very strong reason for it......that reason is country over individual and that's why Bajwa withdrew support from Imran Khan as Imran Khan had become a threat for Pakistan.

 

[salarsikander]

he only difference between us and them is the fact that there all institutions remain within their constitutional limits. But it's not like they don't have corrupt politicians.

Readme previous post I explained it you above, you repeating the same thing that i told you in first response about this

If that is indeed the case then why do the Bengali hate ZAB the same as the PA, perhaps even more?

You can place blame on the Army or the ZAB or the entire establishment or even the Bengali but fact is that a Pakistan thousands of km's apart and not a single thing in common except religion was just not going to stay united. In hindsight, it was perhaps a poor decision to even accept partition this way.

However, having said the above, one cannot be judged on the actions of his/her predecessors. One has to be judged on merit and on merit, nobody just abandons his child, his prodigy, after investing so much in him and when one does abandon the prodigy then there has to be a very strong reason for it......that reason is country over individual and that's why Bajwa withdrew support from Imran Khan as Imran Khan had become a threat for Pakistan.

You need to understand that baring from the fact of political point of decision in Fall of Dhaka, As a Soldier, your drunk and Womaniser chief was absolutely deplorable and dishonorable, in no way in professional terms can that be justified, he was drinking whiskeys and spending time with Bengali hooker at the eve of war !! the so-called incompetent high command was clueless, politically and militarily about the war, coz you cant handle two things at the same time,

Political matters are best left for politicians to handle that is the way of the civilized world, you had your self-proclaimed field Marshall arrested the famous Air mArshall Asghar khan and Fatima Ali Jinnah for opposing his illegal Martial law, and the bastard had Fatimah Jinnag called Kutti ki bachi ! and tortured her,
Secondly, it is not for Bajwa to decide what is best for the country, considering how he amassed 12 Bn rupees in 6 years.
All I see in your post is poor justification of all illegal acts by Dictators who faces 0 repercussions

nobody just abandons his child, his prodigy, after investing so much in him and when one does abandon the prodigy then there has to be a very strong reason for it...

And that was the threat to their Interests, Illegalgrabbing of power, land, resources, jobt at govt, and bunch of others,

Bajwa withdrew support from Imran Khan as Imran Khan had become a threat for Pakistan.

but then supported and installed the crooks who have been ruining Pakistan for the last 40 years ?
Zardari a known criminal who spent years in Jail, PML N that was sent home packing because of they couldnt explain their money trail and their corruption, a Primeminister on whom the case of 16bn Laundered money case was dropped , and Fazlu the hypocrite who threatens the writ of state at will.
This 3 fitnah are clean and should be given NRO in the eyes of your Bajwa and they are no threat to the stability of Pakistan, but the one who is fighting for principle is a threat to Pakistan?
Another Shit Desi Pakistani Paralyic mentality

 

[salarsikander]

You can place blame on the Army

You cannot simply refute it buy giving one-liner, had the political process be allowed to grow naturally, things would have been different but no Ayub was far more interested in calling Fatimah Jinnah an Indian Agent and installing his son as Minister of Industries

 

[Kaniska]

So what is the way forward then?

Being an outsider, I have a few observations.

1. I am not really buying the idea that the Pakistan army can really do any such thing that can harm Pakistan...It is really not syncing in my mind. An institution that has kept its hold on running the entire country with complete control will not think to do such a task.
2. It is nothing new about Army getting involved in imposing their views on your institutions. But the key differentiator is about not assessing the impact with such a high-profile public figure such as IK who is anyway popular before his political ascendancy.
3. One of the key points that no one is addressing about the factor that led Bajwa to dump IK...If BJWA really is anti-national then he could have done much more damage to Pakistan for his personal benefit rather than just removing a PM. Everyone outside Pakistan understands that your army literally runs your foreign policy. So your former army chief could have done something worse and benefitted himself with something highly lucrative deal rather than simply going against IK to whom he himself brought him to power.
4. US influence in Pakistan is nothing new. But does that mean, every PM and their removal should have some excuse for US influence? Many posters discussed and debated it.
5. Your Army has removed and harassed other political groups and their leaders too. In my lifetime, I have seen at least Nawaz and his group kicked out by Musharaf. The same story can be told about MQM too...It is a different debate about who is less corrupt than others. Because, if anyone is really thinking that corruption is a factor that is propelling all developed nations to grow more, then you are living in an illusion. Heavy corruption is done in the West and developed nations too...But their institutions and systems are operational which allows progress irrespective of corruption.
6. I admire IK amongst the rest of the folks in Pakistan...But i feel he is still learning about how to do politics. I find lot of similarity of him with Arvind Kejrwal. In the initial days, AK was highly emotional and making lot of silly noises to cater to the audiences...But later on he realized and got more seasoned to do mature politics without being agaist the whole system. That made him more popular and started winning elections in other parts of the country. I think, IK should get more matured and start making friends within the system rather than creating rivals for no reason. Even if other political parties are crooks, but they are part of the system. He should be a rival to them and work rather than making everyone as their enemey.
7. Finally, if political chaos continues for a long, even if IK comes to power, he simply can not run the country without the support of your institutions...Social media and street protests will bring you popularity but to run a nation needs the support of your institutions.

 

[Kaniska]

Throughout my life in the UK, i have beaten countless Indians for cursing Pakistan, many for much less than that.

If PTI is banned, the beating Indians will get from me, will be just as severe but I won't get the buzz of nationalism.

What have these generals done?

Destroyed our unity against enemies and made beating Indians less fun and rewarding.

Do you have anything else to feel pride in other than beating/killing and advocating all the violent acts?

 

[Clutch]

Being an outsider, I have a few observations.

1. I am not really buying the idea that the Pakistan army can really do any such thing that can harm Pakistan...It is really not syncing in my mind. An institution that has kept its hold on running the entire country with complete control will not think to do such a task.
2. It is nothing new about Army getting involved in imposing their views on your institutions. But the key differentiator is about not assessing the impact with such a high-profile public figure such as IK who is anyway popular before his political ascendancy.
3. One of the key points that no one is addressing about the factor that led Bajwa to dump IK...If BJWA really is anti-national then he could have done much more damage to Pakistan for his personal benefit rather than just removing a PM. Everyone outside Pakistan understands that your army literally runs your foreign policy. So your former army chief could have done something worse and benefitted himself with something highly lucrative deal rather than simply going against IK to whom he himself brought him to power.
4. US influence in Pakistan is nothing new. But does that mean, every PM and their removal should have some excuse for US influence? Many posters discussed and debated it.
5. Your Army has removed and harassed other political groups and their leaders too. In my lifetime, I have seen at least Nawaz and his group kicked out by Musharaf. The same story can be told about MQM too...It is a different debate about who is less corrupt than others. Because, if anyone is really thinking that corruption is a factor that is propelling all developed nations to grow more, then you are living in an illusion. Heavy corruption is done in the West and developed nations too...But their institutions and systems are operational which allows progress irrespective of corruption.
6. I admire IK amongst the rest of the folks in Pakistan...But i feel he is still learning about how to do politics. I find lot of similarity of him with Arvind Kejrwal. In the initial days, AK was highly emotional and making lot of silly noises to cater to the audiences...But later on he realized and got more seasoned to do mature politics without being agaist the whole system. That made him more popular and started winning elections in other parts of the country. I think, IK should get more matured and start making friends within the system rather than creating rivals for no reason. Even if other political parties are crooks, but they are part of the system. He should be a rival to them and work rather than making everyone as their enemey.
7. Finally, if political chaos continues for a long, even if IK comes to power, he simply can not run the country without the support of your institutions...Social media and street protests will bring you popularity but to run a nation needs the support of your institutions.

This isn't a site for your mental counseling that you cannot fathom pak army doing any evil.... Grow up.

 

[Kaniska]

This isn't a site for your mental counseling that you cannot fathom pak army doing any evil.... Grow up.

Well...I would be the happiest person if your assessment is correct and your army continues on the same path as you wish...Good Luck to you!!

 

[Mav3rick]

dude you some GHQ crack still.
1. Comparing mqm to pti really ? if you say yes then you are the sheep
2. Just because every other party have given their right to ghq to rape them whenever they want should pti follow same ?
3. A traitor drunk general can highjack the whole PAK fauj and use it to crush Pakistani is ok and we should not say a word. now that's a sheep mentality.
4. initially every reporter journalist and politician and every Pakistani because he was chief of Pak army not some Rommel or Guderian but eventually everyone realized that he is a pussy general so in order to hide his cowardness bajwa went after its own nation. Same Bajwa for whom one politician said was sweating and campyain tang rahi thi in 2019.
5. now we saw the so called sophisticated pandu namaloom affrad. ISI must be very proud serving under Nadeem Anjum.
such a tragedy, from servants and warriors of Allah to now serving a drunk General and doing his biding and killing the people of same Allah. bravo, i have read that IBLEES Known as shaitan had a such a downfall and he promised to destroy the people of the same master whom he once served .
FROM GREATNESS TO SHAYITAN (DEVIL)
AND SHAYITAN is doing same what PAK ARMY is doing to PAKISTAN. DESTROYING THE PEOPLE OF SAME MASTER CREATING CORRUPTION IN SAME LAND OF THE MASTER ONCE THEY SERVED. WE RESPECT YOU NO MORE.
WE ARE MUSLIMS AND ALLAH ORDERED US IN HOLY QURAN THAT DONT EVEN SAY UFF TO YOUR PARENTS BUT IF THEY COMMAND YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST ALLAH DONT FOLLOW THAT COMMAND. SO WHO THE HELL THESE GUYS THINK THEY ARE.

1. MQM was better, way better than PTI and Altaf Hussain was a visionary unlike Imran Khan who is an egoistic maniac. Altaf Hussain because an egoistic maniac only after leaving Pakistan and God knows what the people close to him fed him to go that crazy. But Imran Khan is just as crazy and is an extreme threat to Pakistan.
2. It was Imran Khan who gave GHQ more rights than all other parties, he only realized that he was a puppet when all his efforts to continue clinging on to power became useless and he was kicked out of his office. He only started going against GHQ when they abandoned him. On the contrary, Altaf Hussain tried to defy GHQ when they formed the IJI and he refused to be a part of it; for that he was swiftly punished and branded a traitor, run out of the country and what not.
3. A soldier becomes a General after serving a distinguished career as opposed to a coke snorting maniac who says 1 thing in the morning and takes a U-Turn in the evening.......much like the other lunatic called Altaf Hussain.
4. Bajwa did become everything only only after the date from which he refused to entertain a begging PM to provide support so that he could continue in the PM office. Before that he was the beloved Daddy, the power that had to be given an extension to instill fear in India and because he was the best of the best. U-Turn indeed!
5. Shaitaan indeed; and what does Shaitaan does? He fools innocent people into believing that his version is the correct one and that he speaks the truth and that he is the savior. You have the analogy right, only the characters are mixed up and that's the biggest triumph of the Shaitaan!

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

1. MQM was better, way better than PTI and Altaf Hussain was a visionary unlike Imran Khan who is an egoistic maniac. Altaf Hussain because an egoistic maniac only after leaving Pakistan and God knows what the people close to him fed him to go that crazy. But Imran Khan is just as crazy and is an extreme threat to Pakistan.
2. It was Imran Khan who gave GHQ more rights than all other parties, he only realized that he was a puppet when all his efforts to continue clinging on to power became useless and he was kicked out of his office. He only started going against GHQ when they abandoned him. On the contrary, Altaf Hussain tried to defy GHQ when they formed the IJI and he refused to be a part of it; for that he was swiftly punished and branded a traitor, run out of the country and what not.
3. A soldier becomes a General after serving a distinguished career as opposed to a coke snorting maniac who says 1 thing in the morning and takes a U-Turn in the evening.......much like the other lunatic called Altaf Hussain.
4. Bajwa did become everything only only after the date from which he refused to entertain a begging PM to provide support so that he could continue in the PM office. Before that he was the beloved Daddy, the power that had to be given an extension to instill fear in India and because he was the best of the best. U-Turn indeed!
5. Shaitaan indeed; and what does Shaitaan does? He fools innocent people into believing that his version is the correct one and that he speaks the truth and that he is the savior. You have the analogy right, only the characters are mixed up and that's the biggest triumph of the Shaitaan!

You forgot to mention that the zardaris/bhuttos and not-so-sharrifs are the most honest and efficient leaders ever known to mankind...........

 

[Mav3rick]

Readme previous post I explained it you above, you repeating the same thing that i told you in first response about this

You need to understand that baring from the fact of political point of decision in Fall of Dhaka, As a Soldier, your drunk and Womaniser chief was absolutely deplorable and dishonorable, in no way in professional terms can that be justified, he was drinking whiskeys and spending time with Bengali hooker at the eve of war !! the so-called incompetent high command was clueless, politically and militarily about the war, coz you cant handle two things at the same time,

Political matters are best left for politicians to handle that is the way of the civilized world, you had your self-proclaimed field Marshall arrested the famous Air mArshall Asghar khan and Fatima Ali Jinnah for opposing his illegal Martial law, and the bastard had Fatimah Jinnag called Kutti ki bachi ! and tortured her,
Secondly, it is not for Bajwa to decide what is best for the country, considering how he amassed 12 Bn rupees in 6 years.
All I see in your post is poor justification of all illegal acts by Dictators who faces 0 repercussions


And that was the threat to their Interests, Illegalgrabbing of power, land, resources, jobt at govt, and bunch of others,


but then supported and installed the crooks who have been ruining Pakistan for the last 40 years ?
Zardari a known criminal who spent years in Jail, PML N that was sent home packing because of they couldnt explain their money trail and their corruption, a Primeminister on whom the case of 16bn Laundered money case was dropped , and Fazlu the hypocrite who threatens the writ of state at will.
This 3 fitnah are clean and should be given NRO in the eyes of your Bajwa and they are no threat to the stability of Pakistan, but the one who is fighting for principle is a threat to Pakistan?
Another Shit Desi Pakistani Paralyic mentality

You misunderstood my whole post. All I tried to say was that Bajwa would not have abandoned Imran Khan if he had not become a threat to Pakistan itself, especially after the institution had invested so much in Imran Khan. Under Kayani, Raheel Sharif and Bajw, Imran became the PM from an almost nobody (politically); they did it to get rid of PML and PPP which is understandable. But after doing all that, if the institution abandoned Imran Khan then there has to be a reason for that.

Once we have established that, we can most definitely argue on, and agree upon the fact that Army has exceeded it's mandate and has been engaged in acts which are purely illegal. But if Raheel Sharif and Bajwa had not done what they did for Imran Iman, Imran Khan would still be a 5 seat nobody. Basically, everything you wrote in the upper half I agree with but then you condemn the same Military for not support Imran Khan when PDM overthrew him and that's like double standard. And just a small correction, NS was sent home because he was eligible to take salary from his son in Dubai which he had not declared (and never used). Imran Khan is one who has damaged our relations with the best of our friends and he should be sent to the gallows for that alone.

You know, there was a time on this forum, maybe not 10 years ago, when people would argue over matters and extreme divergence of views but would not abuse each other. This is another gift of Imran Khan, he has brainwashed kids to the point where they neither respect their peers nor their elders and the admins and mods too refuse to enforce the rules of the forum as long as the abuser is a supporter of someone whom they also support. Pity.

You forgot to mention that the zardaris/bhuttos and not-so-sharrifs are the most honest and efficient leaders ever known to mankind...........

Why would I say something that crazy, do I live in Banigala?

 

[Sugarcane]

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