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Monday, August 19, 2013

Congratulations, we have achieved peace. Don't ruin it with a "peace plan."

Today, the Israeli-Arab conflict is the least violent it has ever been.

This year, only one Israeli has been killed in a terror attack. Less than 15 Palestinian Arabs have been killed (B'Tselem says 11, and OCHA-OPT says 13), most of whom were involved in rock or firebomb attacks.

The lowest number of Israeli deaths in any year since 1948 has been six (2009 and 1982) according to this chart.

While this isn't the year with the lowest Palestinian Arab casualty count (1999 had only 8 deaths), it is the second-lowest since 1987.

In other words, this is (so far) shaping up to be the least-violent year since the beginning of the first intifada and quite probably since the founding of modern Israel in 1948.

We have achieved just about the best we can ever hope to achieve. Things were far worse in the years before the State of Israel was reborn, they were worse in the 1950s with the fedayeen attacks and the 1960s with the "commando" attacks and the 1970s with the more modern terrorist attacks. During all of those periods, Israel responded quite furiously, so both sides lost many people.

This is what peace looks like. The status quo is not perfect, but compared to everything else in the past hundred years, it is damn good. Call it a detente, call it a standoff, it doesn't matter - Arabs and Israelis have come close to stopping killing each other.

Even in Gaza, Israeli policies have made Hamas and Islamic Jihad think twice about shooting rockets into Israel. Rocket fire hasn't ended but life is getting close to normal in Israeli communities in the Negev.

And as long as there is no aggression against Israel, Israel is helping make the lives of Palestinian Arabs get better and better. As I noted recently, some 28% of the money being paid to West Bank Arabs is coming from Israeli employers. The Israelis are granting more work permits, paying better wages (roughly double what Palestinian Arabs are paying,) with better benefits.

At least some of this can be credited to Netanyahu with his much derided concept of "economic peace" as a basis for real peace moving forward.

If you want to compare the situation against perfection, which is the standard tool in the anti-Israel playbook, yes, things fall short. But if you want to compare the situation against any other time period, the situation is the best it has ever been - and possibly the best it ever can be. Compared to the rest of the region, Israel's peace is even more striking.

Why is there peace now? Very simply, because the leaders of the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza (as well as Hizballah in Lebanon) have a lot to lose by fomenting violence. That is the key to peace - creating a situation where the downside of attacks is much greater than the upside of what could be accomplished by violence. Choosing violence (on a macro level) has nothing to do with "justice" or "rights" or anything like that - it is a simple cost/benefit analysis of what can be gained versus what can be lost.

Is this year an anomaly? I don't think so. While there is certainly an element of luck involved, the fact is that the situation makes it more "expensive" to attack Israel than to keep still. Of course one cannot predict the future perfectly - if Hamas comes up with a new way to kidnap an Israeli it seems likely they will try it out; if Hamas gets into a fight with Salafist groups then they might shoot more rockets over, if Islamic Jihad gets Iranian money while Hamas is hung out to dry, things might change drastically in Gaza. But for the foreseeable future, calm is in everyone's interest.

And "peace" isn't. The idea of a new push in the long moribund "peace process" is being pushed from the outside, not from the parties themselves.

What would be the real-life consequences if there was a "peace agreement," no matter what its parameters?

Just this month, hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs crossed into Israel -visiting the beach, shopping - during Ramadan, without incident. If the "peace process" is successful, that will be an international border and crossing will be much more difficult in Ramadans to come.

Today, tens of thousands of Palestinian Arabs work, happily, for Israeli employers, with decent wages. If "peace" would break out, this would all but disappear and the PA economy would be in even worse shape than it is today.

Palestinian Arab exports to the West would be more difficult.

And, without a doubt, the terror groups who find the idea of formal peace with Israel to be anathema will work overtime to prove their relevance - by shooting rockets and planning suicide bombings, to reclaim their former glory.

Peace will not bring friendship. Anyone who believes that only has to look at how Egypt and Jordan regard their peace treaties with Israel. They have been respecting the treaties but they have not stopped their incitement; arguably in recent years anti-Zionism and antisemitism in those two countries has gotten worse.

Unless you are wedded to the idea of an impossible peace where Israel and the PLO are allied, you should realize that today, we have real peace.

After any agreement is signed, we will see more deaths on both sides, guaranteed.

Efforts should not be put into a fantasy peace plan. Instead, we need a dose of realism. The factors that can destabilize the current peace are the ones that need to be neutralized.

This means doing real work to integrate Palestinian Arabs into Arab countries as full citizens. This means working towards a Syria that is neither Assad nor Al Qaeda, but one that gives its people hope and weakens both Hizballah and Iran. This means a policy that truly supports liberal, democratic forces in Egypt and Tunisia and elsewhere. It means working towards a Middle East that resembles more closely the de facto peace currently enjoyed by Israel and Palestinian Arabs, where the cost of war is much higher than the status quo.

None of this is easy. But none of it is fantasy, either, which is what the "peace process" has been from the start.
 
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This will be like a dagger in the heart of extremist Islamists like @hussain0216.

These 'people' want more conflict.

Of course the Islamist world still portrays hundreds of 'palestinians' dying every week.

I've debated with so many mad Muslims who say "Israel kills dozens of palestinians every day" :rolleyes:
 
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Yeah sure,,, occupy their land and them keep them like second class human beings

The Palestinians yearn to be free in their own land, the jews cannot keep the palestinians like Untermensch (hebrew word)
 
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Yeah sure,,, occupy their land and them keep them like second class human beings
If you're talking about how Arabs treat Jews that makes sense for hardly any are left in Arab lands due to poor treatment; if you're talking about how Arabs are treated in Israel that makes no sense as Arabs not only have citizenship but full freedom of worship and that in Tel Aviv alone one can count over fifty minarets. The "Palestinians" are descendants of those Arabs who employed violence to kill Palestine's Jews or else ran to the enemy's camp during the Independence War, thus forfeiting their civil and property rights under the laws and practice of the Ottomans - the rights that the Jews and Arabs of the Middle East were enjoined to uphold by the Treaty of Sevrès and the League of Nations, obligations that the Jews kept but the Arabs did not.

The Palestinians yearn to be free in their own land, the jews cannot keep the palestinians like Untermensch (hebrew word)
That's incorrect on two counts: the "Palestinians" don't "yearn to be free in their own land"; their "national cause", enforced by the terrorists in their midst, is to seek the genocide of the Jews of the Middle East.And "Untermensch" is a German word meaning "sub-human", popular among Nazis, now employed by men like yourself to unjustly smear the Jews.

So I leave you with this question: How can you possibly respect your own opinion?
 
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peace will only prevail in palestine once jews go back to their home in poland and germany,,,,,no other way ...even one jew in holy land would mean fraud and disorder and lawlessness

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zionism is part of freemasonary ,,,,,these people follow the satan ..........and practice black magic

the guy in the following picture is not some sorcerer from harry potter movie.....but rabi yitzhak kaduri.......when he died at the age of 115,,,,,,,,,,400,000 jews attended his funeral........

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what you do is what you become.....you practice black magician and you will automatically transform into an evil looking black magician.....rabi yitzhak is known for giving amulets and performing black magic
 
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peace will only prevail in palestine once jews go back to their home in poland and germany...even one jew in holy land would mean fraud...these people follow the satan - -
"Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts." - late U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

Same question for you, turbo: you aren't citing facts but frauds so why should you respect your own opinion?
 
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"Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts." - late U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

Same question for you, turbo: you aren't citing facts but frauds so why should you respect your own opinion?

tell me honestly moshe

this man looks to you like a man on the straight path?

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or this man looks to you like a man on the straight path?

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dumb man your grandpa had not taught you that all the fraud and third class stuff that you do has a trickle down effect on your face?
 
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tell me honestly moshe this man looks to you like a man on the straight path?
I understand you want readers - and maybe yourself - to be distracted from questions of identity and personal responsibility by examining a few photographs. I'm not biting.

If you don't answer my question why should anybody, anywhere, accept your opinions, thoughts, or leadership? After all, if you don't respect your own expressed opinion then why shouldn't people conclude its only purpose is to blind others to serve your own dark and unexpressed purposes?
 
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I understand you want readers - and maybe yourself - to be distracted from questions of identity and personal responsibility by examining a few photographs. I'm not biting.

If you don't answer my question why should anybody, anywhere, accept your opinions, thoughts, or leadership? After all, if you don't respect your own expressed opinion then why shouldn't people conclude its only purpose is to blind others to serve your own dark and unexpressed purposes?


a picture is worth a thousand words,moshe.......thats why i posted them....they clear up everything....by making lengthy bogus posts you cant convert wrong into right
 
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a picture is worth a thousand words,moshe.......thats why i posted them....they clear up everything...
They may be emotionally manipulative but I don't see how they "clear up" anything.

by making lengthy bogus posts you cant convert wrong into right
My, aren't you in a panic! Do you fear that Pakistanis will choose to follow the foreign Zionist over the domestic Islamist?

That you'll lose the religious power you've sought to achieve in your community through years of loud devotion to "Islam" as a result?

Could it be that the only thing holding Pakistanis back from doing so is the wall of unjustifiable Jew-hatred constructed over generations by people like you for self-serving purposes?
 
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They may be emotionally manipulative but I don't see how they "clear up" anything.

My, aren't you in a panic! Do you fear that Pakistanis will choose to follow the foreign Zionist over the domestic Islamist?

That you'll lose the religious power you've sought to achieve in your community through years of loud devotion to "Islam" as a result?

Could it be that the only thing holding Pakistanis back from doing so is the wall of unjustifiable Jew-hatred constructed over generations by people like you for self-serving purposes?

dumb man the personality of sheikh ahmed is positive,,,,cant you see piety and principles on his face??

personality of peres is negative and repulsive.....cant you see curse and uncertainity and negativeness and fraud and deception on his face?

a student in examination hall,,,,,,,,when he is failing you see uncertainity and fear on his face.......if he is looking unpleasant in the examination hall cause he is failing....why will he look pleasant then on the day the result is announced?

same way..peres has a horrid and unpleasant appearance in this worldly life........what makes you think he will have a pleasant appearance in the life here after?


moshe you though that by buying media and traitors you will succeed in your plan......you thought you will do all the third class stuff behind doors and then in public and society you will live as an honest man and a man of principles and people will take you for a pious man and a man on the straight path......but you forgot that that all the fraud and third-class stuff you do end ups on your face....
 
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Looks like the Islamists in this thread are in a panic because there's not enough death and destruction for their liking.

They want more. They want the 'suffering' so they can use it for propaganda in their Mosque.

It's ok guys, just do what you always do - lie.
 
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...you though that by buying media and traitors you will succeed in your plan......you thought you will do all the third class stuff behind doors and then in public and society you will live as an honest man and a man of principles and people will take you for a pious man and a man on the straight path......but you forgot that that all the fraud and third-class stuff you do end ups on your face....
So you don't disagree with me: there is no reason why people shouldn't abandon the Islamist and follow the Zionist instead. As ex-President Morsi put it -

"Either [you accept] the Zionists and everything they want, or else it is war. " (Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle...rupts-news-discussions-221.html#ixzz2cRGsR700)

And what this Zionist wants is not only much better for Jews but better than what Islamists want for Pakistanis, Arabs, and many other peoples:

Responsible government, business, and personal relations rather than corruption.
Justice prevailing over injustice, with mercy to the truly repentant.
Armed forces devoted to defense rather than conquest.
Peace rather than war.
Love instead of hatred.

Why not just drop the hate now, turbo, so you can seek to live happily ever after?
 
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I know untermensch is Germany word, it was meant to show how Jews have learnt from the Nazis and have acted as two faced as Jews always behave stolen the palestinians lands homes and livelihoods

And are now treating them like untermensch
 
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So you don't disagree with me: there is no reason why people shouldn't abandon the Islamist and follow the Zionist instead. As ex-President Morsi put it -

"Either [you accept] the Zionists and everything they want, or else it is war. " (Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle...rupts-news-discussions-221.html#ixzz2cRGsR700)

And what this Zionist wants is not only much better for Jews but better than what Islamists want for Pakistanis, Arabs, and many other peoples:

Responsible government, business, and personal relations rather than corruption.
Justice prevailing over injustice, with mercy to the truly repentant.
Armed forces devoted to defense rather than conquest.
Peace rather than war.
Love instead of hatred.

Why not just drop the hate now, turbo, so you can seek to live happily ever after?


you return back the stolen land, apologize and leave........

if you want peace to prevail then jews should go back to their home in poland and germany and britian.

you steal their land,,,,,,throw them out,,,,,,,now you want peace to prevail.....are you a darwin?

Looks like the Islamists in this thread are in a panic because there's not enough death and destruction for their liking.

are these muslims or jews,moshe?


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