This Is What Happened When A Pakistani Confronted Infamous Liberal Brigade In US
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Main mafi chahta hoon chernay ka liya.
They are progressive and want to make Pakistan progressive.
Imran Khan
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nhi hazoor mafi ka bol ker gunahgar na kareen . but i assured you i was part of these goons some years ago they are left wing facists not liberals and everyone have personal agenda against state .
for example Pakistan become rich hell every Pakistani ride BMW BENZ having villa of gold roads with gold plates they will not happy but keep bashing . liberalism is not this . they are haters .now i agree with them few times and mostly i disagree .
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Hazoor I know what they are very well but placing them in liberal ranks is some what beneficial for center to make the argument balanced.
Bhai agenda hijack kar rahay hain yeh.
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but i feel bad when common Pakistanis think liberal mean ghaddar anti islam anti pakistan US AND WEST agent . liberalism is not this . they think libral want nude paksitan .Hazoor I know what they are very well but placing them in liberal ranks is some what beneficial for center to make the argument balanced.
Bhai agenda hijack kar rahay hain yeh.
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@Imran Khan this is the biggest problem once you agree with them on some points they become liberal and then they lead the entire cause and in the end this is what you get whole liberals being cursed. The very simple solution is to denounce them even if they are speaking about your dreams coming true.
I can understand your pain but liberals made a mistake. They are pushing so hard that they are now linked with this lot.
but i feel bad when common Pakistanis think liberal mean ghaddar anti islam anti pakistan US AND WEST agent . liberalism is not this . they think libral want nude paksitan .
I can understand your pain but liberals made a mistake. They are pushing so hard that they are now linked with this lot.
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fassadi should be hanged.
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Barking dogs seldom bite, although this does effect people to people relations. These folks prop up a false image of Pakistan within the host nations.
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It clear from reading the posts that majority of my compatriots equate liberalism with treason & Godlessness. This is the ‘Tyranny’ of the majority. To illustrate my viewpoint, let me quote from the ‘Dawn’ of April 28, 2013
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The French Revolution not only changed the social and political structure of the society, it also produced new ideas and thoughts which contributed in changing the intellectual mindset.
In the French national assembly, those who sat on the right were known as conservatives while on the left were radicals. The terms right and left still indicate the political view of parties and individuals.
Besides conservative and radical ideas, a third school of thought emerged which was known as liberalism.
Those who had liberal views differed from both conservatives and revolutionaries. Not in favour of a revolution, they believed that institutions impeding progress should be abolished. They wished to connect with the past yet pursue progress.
They believed in the fundamental rights of society and were also in favour of individual liberty in order to allow creativity to flourish without hindrance.
Liberal ideology was promoted in England by the utilitarian movement, the motive of which was to change the society by introducing political and social reforms through an environment conducive to progressive change. The utilitarians wanted to eliminate traditions and to replace redundant institutions with new ones. They emphasized on legal reforms to discipline society.
In France, liberalism emerged after the restoration of monarchy but the approach of the liberals differed as they were not totally against kingship, but preferred a constitutional kingship to absolute monarchy.
Another major change brought by liberalism was the emphasis on women’s emancipation. Recognizing the woman’s role in society, they demanded equal rights for women which eventually led to the feminist movement in Europe.
Liberalism further consolidated when John Stuart Mill in his book Liberty presented the idea philosophically, pointing out its positive role in society.
In his opinion, there are two types of tyranny in society. The first being tyranny of the state and its institutions which impede the creativity of individuals by promulgation of laws that disallow criticism or condemnation of institutions and traditions. As a result, the intellectual growth of a society is hampered as writers and artists are expected to express their views based on a state-sponsored ideology.
The second type of tyranny is the tyranny of majority. In this case, the majority of society dominates and does not allow anybody to deviate. It controls by terrorising individuals to neither speak nor write freely.
Mill believed that unless people are freed from tyranny, they will remain unable to express their views freely and to play a positive role in the progress of a society or nation.
Since tyranny is ruthless and harsh, the ingenuity of an individual is crushed, thereby reducing the individual to a passive and obedient part of the tyrannical system.
State controlled education inculcates its doctrine through a certain curriculum and does not allow the young and enquiring mind to challenge the existing system.
In our society, liberalism is treated negatively and scorned at by traditionalists. For example, a liberal is perceived to be someone who violates social and cultural norms and traditions. They are usually considered rebels who threaten conservative circles by challenging existing traditions.
In Pakistan, liberal ideas confront state tyranny as well as tyranny of the majority which hampers creativity and enlightenment. There are social restrictions on poets, writers, social scientists, artists, musicians and dancers.
It is tragic how in our society, tyranny of the majority is more powerful than state tyranny. One can fight the state and its laws but it is difficult to struggle against the opinion of the majority and its ideology which is based on emotion and passion. To silence the dissidents, the majority uses terror and fear as key instruments. Tyranny of the majority is more damaging to society as it does not tolerate criticism. As a result, our society is backward, isolated from the rest of the world and far behind time.
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1025612
It is my conviction that liberals and progressives are pragmatic, principled people and:
“Liberalism promotes tolerance, individual freedom: civil and voting rights, marriage equality, freedom of practice of religion and the equal treatment of all nationals.
Progressivism asserts that it is only through technology, science, and knowledge that Pakistan can improve the environment, health and general living standard of her nationals.”
I, therefore, consider myself a progressive liberal. However, anyone is free to call me whatever they wish. As far as the people in the group are concerned; I would not label them either radical or liberal. Instead, I would call them people with vested interests.
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The French Revolution not only changed the social and political structure of the society, it also produced new ideas and thoughts which contributed in changing the intellectual mindset.
In the French national assembly, those who sat on the right were known as conservatives while on the left were radicals. The terms right and left still indicate the political view of parties and individuals.
Besides conservative and radical ideas, a third school of thought emerged which was known as liberalism.
Those who had liberal views differed from both conservatives and revolutionaries. Not in favour of a revolution, they believed that institutions impeding progress should be abolished. They wished to connect with the past yet pursue progress.
They believed in the fundamental rights of society and were also in favour of individual liberty in order to allow creativity to flourish without hindrance.
Liberal ideology was promoted in England by the utilitarian movement, the motive of which was to change the society by introducing political and social reforms through an environment conducive to progressive change. The utilitarians wanted to eliminate traditions and to replace redundant institutions with new ones. They emphasized on legal reforms to discipline society.
In France, liberalism emerged after the restoration of monarchy but the approach of the liberals differed as they were not totally against kingship, but preferred a constitutional kingship to absolute monarchy.
Another major change brought by liberalism was the emphasis on women’s emancipation. Recognizing the woman’s role in society, they demanded equal rights for women which eventually led to the feminist movement in Europe.
Liberalism further consolidated when John Stuart Mill in his book Liberty presented the idea philosophically, pointing out its positive role in society.
In his opinion, there are two types of tyranny in society. The first being tyranny of the state and its institutions which impede the creativity of individuals by promulgation of laws that disallow criticism or condemnation of institutions and traditions. As a result, the intellectual growth of a society is hampered as writers and artists are expected to express their views based on a state-sponsored ideology.
The second type of tyranny is the tyranny of majority. In this case, the majority of society dominates and does not allow anybody to deviate. It controls by terrorising individuals to neither speak nor write freely.
Mill believed that unless people are freed from tyranny, they will remain unable to express their views freely and to play a positive role in the progress of a society or nation.
Since tyranny is ruthless and harsh, the ingenuity of an individual is crushed, thereby reducing the individual to a passive and obedient part of the tyrannical system.
State controlled education inculcates its doctrine through a certain curriculum and does not allow the young and enquiring mind to challenge the existing system.
In our society, liberalism is treated negatively and scorned at by traditionalists. For example, a liberal is perceived to be someone who violates social and cultural norms and traditions. They are usually considered rebels who threaten conservative circles by challenging existing traditions.
In Pakistan, liberal ideas confront state tyranny as well as tyranny of the majority which hampers creativity and enlightenment. There are social restrictions on poets, writers, social scientists, artists, musicians and dancers.
It is tragic how in our society, tyranny of the majority is more powerful than state tyranny. One can fight the state and its laws but it is difficult to struggle against the opinion of the majority and its ideology which is based on emotion and passion. To silence the dissidents, the majority uses terror and fear as key instruments. Tyranny of the majority is more damaging to society as it does not tolerate criticism. As a result, our society is backward, isolated from the rest of the world and far behind time.
Unquote.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1025612
It is my conviction that liberals and progressives are pragmatic, principled people and:
“Liberalism promotes tolerance, individual freedom: civil and voting rights, marriage equality, freedom of practice of religion and the equal treatment of all nationals.
Progressivism asserts that it is only through technology, science, and knowledge that Pakistan can improve the environment, health and general living standard of her nationals.”
I, therefore, consider myself a progressive liberal. However, anyone is free to call me whatever they wish. As far as the people in the group are concerned; I would not label them either radical or liberal. Instead, I would call them people with vested interests.
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This traitor should be flushed, asap.
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Well this lot started rooting for Rizvi when charges of treason were filed these fake liberals have no dignity
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