There is no freedom of speech in India, it’s a myth

[farhan_9909]

sometime i feel very sad for them

 

[EAK]

@haviZsultan sir... well those killings were unfortunate but that dosent mean one should label india as "no place for freedom of speech".... please see round the world whoever rose against organized crimes has been killed or silenced somehow.....
infact if there was no freedom of speech then how come so many critics of modi and hindutwa brigade exist....???

Two Mumbai girls arrested for Facebook post against Bal Thackeray get bail

 

[haviZsultan]

by saying stupid shit like that you're only spreading hate towards muslims.

What about Gujarat riots or other riots. What about our basic right to practice our religion freely. You take our rights and then want us to worship India. Sorry to say but we have more relations with Pakistan than India. 90%+ of the UP muslim vote went to the AIML which wanted a sovereign Pakistan. I don't see the logic of abandoning common history, common relatives and relations and a common ideology in favor of India. Sorry to say but I have no belief in India as a nation and muslims future in it. You killed our people first not the other way around.

The secular system is not a system to be hated but when a country applies oppressive policies on muslims it is bound to have repurcursions. We have no link to India. Muslims on both sides of the border are one and the same.

 

[surya kiran]

Well they are being slaughtered like cows during ramadan. Are the muslims or christians safe in Indian occupied regions? What about liberal hindus. I think India is seriously tarnishing its democratic and secular reputation as it partakes in the oppression of minorities.

As a Lucknowi I will always support Pakistan. That is the only safe place in the subcontinent. This is not opinion but fact. If you don't believe it ask those who the Indians killed be it in Gujarat or another uncle I knew. India will be broken up by us muslims one day for the attrocities it has comitted.

Tell me how many Shias and Ahmadis have been killed in Pakistan? Neutral sources please. Your safe place is a hell hole. 50,000 people dead. Killed by your so called pious Muslims. Innocent 'Talib' students. Shove your holier than thou attitude in a place where the sun does not shine.

The truth of the matter is Muslims are living and prospering in India provided they educate themselves. The truth is your usage of the term 'Indian Occupied Regions' is extremely insulting. The only region which has been occupied if Pakistan 'supposedly administered' Kashmir. The only area where brutal killings of intellectuals has taken place is Balochistan, where the situation is so bad, that no actual numbers are available. People being picked up and then their bodies being found in the gutter was common practice and lott of memeber of this very forum encouraged it.

The last person speaking about democracy should be a Pakistani. A country which knows to be ruled by the military. A country which makes its wild life the royal hunting group. A country which lets its citizens be killed by drones belonging to another country. A country which is a blot on the Muslim world where Sunnis and Shias kill each other. Where the dead Ahmadis have to fight for a place to be be buried.

You want to know what is the last place any non Sunni should stay? Pakistan. So once again, Shove your holier than tho attitude in a place where the sun does not shine.

 

[SpArK]

sometime i feel very sad for them

And all the time we feel happy for you.

 

[surya kiran]

What about Gujarat riots or other riots. What about our basic right to practice our religion freely. You take our rights and then want us to worship India.

They were punished your zero knowledgable peice of troll. More Hindus than Muslims were punished? And you know what Muslims, in India do not want to be a part of Pakistan nor do they want to be anywhere but here. Your 'family' has an option to migrate. Why are they not leaving? Why don't you offer them a chance by ensuring they can stay in Pakistan, the Land of the Pure Sunnis.

And talking about minorities Guess what rank Pakistan is in for worst attacks on minorities?
The number 7. Neutral source by the way. Not your 'family' bull crap. Now please tell me you want a source for this so that your Troll Tank nonsence can be busted.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Hafiz - Troll aap bohot karte ho.

 

[haviZsultan]

Hafiz - Troll aap bohot karte ho.

I honestly believe in the concept that Pakistan is the only hope for the sub continents muslims. I strongly advocate my views. Our relations (between muslims of Lucknow and Pakistan) are very common. We are one people. But it may be possible to win some over. India has indeed won some muslims over. But my relatives and family have been direct victims of the Hindutvas so we are in favor of Pakistan-a lot of us.

Personally Modi and the growing influence of RSS, Bajrang Dal and others may push muslims in the arms of pakistan.

 

[surya kiran]

I honestly believe in the concept that Pakistan is the only hope for the sub continents muslims. I strongly advocate my views. Our relations (between muslims of Lucknow and Pakistan) are very common. We are one people. But it may be possible to win some over. India has indeed won some muslims over. But my relatives and family have been direct victims of the Hindutvas so we are in favor of Pakistan-a lot of us.

Not from me but an actual thinking tank. Pakistan is the 7th worst place in the world for non Sunni Muslims.

While the deadly conflict in Pakistan with Islamist armed groups in the north-west draws most international media attention, the threat of ethnic or sectarian killing reaches across the country. This includes risks from inter-ethnic political violence in Sindh, sectarian clashes between Deobandi and Barelvi militant groups, violent repression of Balochi activists in Balochistan, continued persecution of Christians and Ahmadiyya, and an exterminatory campaign against Hazara and other Shi’a across the country waged by Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Sahaba and the Pakistani Taliban, which claimed the lives of hundreds of victims last year.

1,900 Shia Muslims killed in Pakistan since 2012

A new study shows violence against Shia Muslims has been rising in Pakistan and more than 1,900 Shia Muslims have been killed in recent years, Press TV reports.

The study, conducted by the Jinnah Institute, an Islamabad-based think tank, reveals unprecedented targeted killings of Shia Muslims in Pakistan in 2012 and 2015.

It says some 1,900 Shia Muslims have been killed in bomb blasts and targeted killings in Pakistan in the past three years.

“There has been an upsurge in attacks against Shia Muslims in Peshawar, Rawalpindi and southern Punjab,” it says.

“The Shia Muslims have been …. besieged for a very long time as violence has grown in some parts of Pakistan, particularly in Quetta, Karachi and north of the country,” Salman Zaidi from the Jinnah Institute told Press TV.

PressTV-“1,900 Shia Muslims killed in Pakistan”

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I honestly believe in the concept that Pakistan is the only place for the sub continents TRUE muslims. I strongly advocate my views.

I want that too. We will send all willing people to your side. Living or otherwise. Give us some time.

Not from me but an actual thinking tank. Pakistan is the 7th worst place in the world for non Sunni Muslims.

While the deadly conflict in Pakistan with Islamist armed groups in the north-west draws most international media attention, the threat of ethnic or sectarian killing reaches across the country. This includes risks from inter-ethnic political violence in Sindh, sectarian clashes between Deobandi and Barelvi militant groups, violent repression of Balochi activists in Balochistan, continued persecution of Christians and Ahmadiyya, and an exterminatory campaign against Hazara and other Shi’a across the country waged by Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Sipah-e-Sahaba and the Pakistani Taliban, which claimed the lives of hundreds of victims last year.

1,900 Shia Muslims killed in Pakistan since 2012

A new study shows violence against Shia Muslims has been rising in Pakistan and more than 1,900 Shia Muslims have been killed in recent years, Press TV reports.

The study, conducted by the Jinnah Institute, an Islamabad-based think tank, reveals unprecedented targeted killings of Shia Muslims in Pakistan in 2012 and 2015.

It says some 1,900 Shia Muslims have been killed in bomb blasts and targeted killings in Pakistan in the past three years.

“There has been an upsurge in attacks against Shia Muslims in Peshawar, Rawalpindi and southern Punjab,” it says.

“The Shia Muslims have been …. besieged for a very long time as violence has grown in some parts of Pakistan, particularly in Quetta, Karachi and north of the country,” Salman Zaidi from the Jinnah Institute told Press TV.

PressTV-“1,900 Shia Muslims killed in Pakistan”

He meant Muslims. Not Shia.

 

[surya kiran]

Pakistan: Rampant Killings of Shia by Extremists | Human Rights Watch

(London) – Pakistan’s government should take all necessary measures to stop Sunni extremist groups in Balochistan province from committing further killings and other abuses against Hazara and other Shia Muslims, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today.

The 62-page report, “‘We are the Walking Dead’: Killings of Shia Hazaras in Balochistan, Pakistan,” documents Sunni militant group attacks on the mostly Shia Hazara community in Balochistan. Since 2008, several hundreds of Hazara have been killed in steadily worsening targeted violence, including two bombings in the provincial capital, Quetta, in January and February 2013 that killed at least 180 people.

“Sunni extremists have targeted Hazara with guns and bombs while they participate in religious processions, pray in mosques, travel to work, or just go about daily life,” said Brad Adams, Asia director. “There is no travel route, no shopping trip, no school run, no work commute that is safe for the Hazara. The government’s failure to put an end to these attacks is as shocking as it is unacceptable.”

The ongoing attacks have meant that the half-million members of the Hazara community in Quetta live in fear, compelled to restrict their movements, leading to economic hardship and curtailed access to education and employment. This oppressive situation has prompted large numbers of Hazara to flee Pakistan for refuge in other countries.

Human Rights Watch interviewed more than 100 survivors, members of victims’ families, law enforcement, security officials, and independent experts for the report.

Since 2008, Pakistan’s Shia Muslim community has been the target of an unprecedented escalation in sectarian violence as Sunni militants have killed thousands of Shia across the country. The Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), group has claimed responsibility for most attacks, yet many of its leaders continue to play command and leadership roles and avoid prosecution or otherwise evade accountability. A number of convicted high-profile LeJ militants and suspects in custody have escaped from military and civilian detention in circumstances the authorities have been unable to explain.

He meant Muslims. Not Shia.

You naughty boy, I saw what you did there

 

[haviZsultan]

Tell me how many Shias and Ahmadis have been killed in Pakistan? Neutral sources please. Your safe place is a hell hole. 50,000 people dead. Killed by your so called pious Muslims. Innocent 'Talib' students. Shove your holier than thou attitude in a place where the sun does not shine.

The truth of the matter is Muslims are living and prospering in India provided they educate themselves. The truth is your usage of the term 'Indian Occupied Regions' is extremely insulting. The only region which has been occupied if Pakistan 'supposedly administered' Kashmir. The only area where brutal killings of intellectuals has taken place is Balochistan, where the situation is so bad, that no actual numbers are available. People being picked up and then their bodies being found in the gutter was common practice and lott of memeber of this very forum encouraged it.

The last person speaking about democracy should be a Pakistani. A country which knows to be ruled by the military. A country which makes its wild life the royal hunting group. A country which lets its citizens be killed by drones belonging to another country. A country which is a blot on the Muslim world where Sunnis and Shias kill each other. Where the dead Ahmadis have to fight for a place to be be buried.

You want to know what is the last place any non Sunni should stay? Pakistan. So once again, Shove your holier than tho attitude in a place where the sun does not shine.

Massacring Pakistans Islamic character as massacring muslims is the clear past time of Indians and by Indians I always mean you hindutvas who are the majority in said state. The problem is that inn Indian occupied regions the reality that muslims are often hurt or killed is often hidden by the media. I know several such cases as I have developed extensive contacts with people who have suffered, particularly the Azad Deccan Movement. They do not count Hyderabad as part of India and have also lost due to the Indian union, many their relatives.

So in Indian occcupied regions news rarely comes out of massacres and killings.

Also Kashmiris say 90000+ of them have been killed by India, more than Pakistan:

Kashmirball - More than 93,000 Kashmiris have been killed... | Facebook

Also the killing of Pakistani Muslims is also being done by India. They are killing innocents like rats and I have actually seen what you people do in Pakistan. The TTP might be supported by India and it is very possible considering the things I have seen.

Pakistan will remain the only hope for us. No matter how it is insulted we muslims of Lucknow and other parts will continue strong support to said country. Why? Because our relatives are on both sides, our people have been killed, we are not allowed to practice religion (ie cow slaughter), we are one. Keep burning but muslims in Indian occupied regions will be first to give Lucknow to Pakistan.

 

[Dragon4]

Massacring Pakistans Islamic character as massacring muslims is the clear past time of Indians and by Indians I always mean you hindutvas who are the majority in said state. The problem is that inn Indian occupied regions the reality that muslims are often hurt or killed is often hidden by the media. I know several such cases as I have developed extensive contacts with people who have suffered, particularly the Azad Deccan Movement. They do not count Hyderabad as part of India and have also lost due to the Indian union, many their relatives.

So in Indian occcupied regions news rarely comes out of massacres and killings.

Also Kashmiris say 90000+ of them have been killed by India, more than Pakistan:

Kashmirball - More than 93,000 Kashmiris have been killed... | Facebook

Also the killing of Pakistani Muslims is also being done by India. They are killing innocents like rats and I have actually seen what you people do in Pakistan. The TTP might be supported by India and it is very possible considering the things I have seen.

Pakistan will remain the only hope for us. No matter how it is insulted we muslims of Lucknow and other parts will continue strong support to said country. Why? Because our relatives are on both sides, our people have been killed, we are not allowed to practice religion (ie cow slaughter), we are one. Keep burning but muslims in Indian occupied regions will be first to give Lucknow to Pakistan.

 

[surya kiran]

Massacring Pakistans Islamic character as massacring muslims is the clear past time of Indians and by Indians I always mean you hindutvas who are the majority in said state. The problem is that inn Indian occupied regions the reality that muslims are often hurt or killed is often hidden by the media. I know several such cases as I have developed extensive contacts with people who have suffered, particularly the Azad Deccan Movement. They do not count Hyderabad as part of India and have also lost due to the Indian union, many their relatives.

So in Indian occcupied regions news rarely comes out of massacres and killings.

Also Kashmiris say 90000+ of them have been killed by India, more than Pakistan:

Kashmirball - More than 93,000 Kashmiris have been killed... | Facebook

Also the killing of Pakistani Muslims is also being done by India. They are killing innocents like rats and I have actually seen what you people do in Pakistan. The TTP might be supported by India and it is very possible considering the things I have seen.

Pakistan will remain the only hope for us. No matter how it is insulted we muslims of Lucknow and other parts will continue strong support to said country. Why? Because our relatives are on both sides, our people have been killed, we are not allowed to practice religion (ie cow slaughter), we are one. Keep burning but muslims in Indian occupied regions will be first to give Lucknow to Pakistan.

So you have no anwer to all the massaceres carried out by Pakistanis on minorites, except saying they were engineered by India?

Which basically means, your country is exactly at Number 7 in terms of worst places for minorities which includes other Muslims who got killed and massacred by Pakistani Muslims with the Government of Pakistan abbeting it like it did in the 1974 Ahmaddi riots?

The only thing Pakistanis are capable of since 1947 is making a mess for the other Muslims of the world.

For the younger chaps who are not aware of what happened in 1974 please follow this link


If you want to know what happened in 1953 in Lahore you can find that too online.

History of persecution of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - 1971-80

 

[Viny]

I agree 100%, we dont have freedom of speech in India.
Thats why we are here on PDF to practice and enjoy the freedom of speech. Mods and Admins should take special care of refugee like us and therefore keeping up the spirit of UN Convention, they should not give us negative ratings and bans instead should promote love and acceptance of Indian posters among the Pakistani members.

Long Live Freedom of Speech...