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The Terrible Cost of Presidential Racism

Well, I would like your view on the below poster from the 2020 Aurat March in Islamabad. You can see the globalist / transnational sentiment in it :

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What do you want to me to say? I'm an Islamic Nationalist.

Patriarchy appeals to me, the original word, not the feminism interpretation of the word.

Also private ownership is something I deeply value, along with reward for effort in enterprise.

Accumulation if wealth is ok, as long as taxes and zakat is paid.

Imperialism, obviously I oppose due to what British did to coterminous Pakistan and the mess they created by denying Kashmiris their rights.
 
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But then again, this is just my experience, and speaking of seeking validation and acknowledgement from whites, that is more prevalent in Pakistan and India than in Bangladesh, hell whites barely visit Bangladesh.

Yet your entire post is based on "Hey look! Some random white people let me and not Pakistanis follow them around".
 
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Yet your entire post is based on "Hey look! Some random white people let me and not Pakistanis follow them around".


I realise that but that was not the point I was trying to illustrate, I'm talking about the fallacy some Pakistanis have that them being a few shades fairer makes them a different race, but in truth they're similar to North Indians, and those who come from the region's bordering Iran and Afghanistan have more in common with those countries.

Anyway, you guys are free to be whoever you want to be but when people are openly pandering Nixon's racist remarks one wonder why it is so, white people don't differentiate in their racism between Indians and Pakistanis to them we're brown all the same.

So, if anything, his remarks stem from a obtuse view of brown people and that includes Pakistanis, he is infact insulting Pakistanis atleast those of darker skin anyway.
 
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Yet your entire post is based on "Hey look! Some random white people let me and not Pakistanis follow them around".
The purpose of life for some people: being allowed to be around white people. Inferiority complex much.

I live in Germany and there are not many Pakistanis here, most people think that we are from Turkey. I am successful here in Germany alhamdulillah without going to parties nor talking down other Muslims in front of Germans. And yes I don’t have this „yes sir!!“ towards them. Everything is possible with healthy self esteem and a strong Muslim identity!
 
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What do you want to me to say? I'm an Islamic Nationalist.

But is Islam not a globalist and non-nation-limiting ideology ? Why do you think the USSR happened to easily include the Muslim-majority countries of Central Asia and not the Hindu-majority India ( with due respect to the sensible Hindu members of the forum ) ?

Also private ownership is something I deeply value, along with reward for effort in enterprise.

It seems that there are 20 million homeless people in Pakistan, while there will be a few Pakistani who have more than one house. Isn't this an imbalance ? Some people owning more than they really need while others unnecessarily suffering ?

In Bombay ( Mumbai ) in India the billionaire Mukesh Ambani constructed a 27-storey house called Antilia for his family of four. This in a city which has Dharavi, one of the world's biggest slums, where there live many people to a single shanty. Below is what another Indian billionaire Ratan Tata said about Ambani's house :
Tata Group former chairman Ratan Tata said Antilia is an example of rich Indians' lack of empathy for the poor. Tata said, "The person who lives in there should be concerned about what he sees around him and asking can he make a difference. If he is not, then it's sad because this country needs people to allocate some of their enormous wealth to finding ways of mitigating the hardship that people have." "It makes me wonder why someone would do that. That's what revolutions are made of.
 
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The purpose of life for some people: being allowed to be around white people. Inferiority complex much.

I live in Germany and there are not many Pakistanis here, most people think that we are from Turkey. I am successful here in Germany alhamdulillah without going to parties nor talking down other Muslims in front of Germans. And yes I don’t have this „yes sir!!“ towards them. Everything is possible with healthy self esteem and a strong Muslim identity!

Inferiority complex is when you try to distance yourself from your neighbours and try to deem yourself similar to Turks who live far far away because you hate what you see all around yourself, wish it were to be different and seek to disassociate yourself from everything.


Btw my initial posts was targeted at certain users who make disparaging comments about my people by saying things like "I have never seen a beautiful Bengali woman" and go gaga over Nixon's remarks when not 70 years ago many of them came from that same country Nixon thinks of when he's insulting India.

If anything his remarks should be condemned, because people like Nixon have a very very low view of Muslims and Pakistanis.
 
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Inferiority complex is when you try to distance yourself from your neighbours and try to deem yourself similar to Turks who live far far away because you hate what you see all around yourself and wish it were to be different.
I don’t like Turks that much (there are some nice people from turkey here though) especially the Germanized Turks who want to be loved by their countrymen in turkey as well as by the native Germans. If someone asks me where I come from I immediately answer that I am from Pakistan. And yes then they say: but you don’t look like a Pakistani. But I don’t care!


Btw my initial posts was targeted at certain users who make disparaging comments about my people by saying things like "I have never seen a beautiful Bengali woman" and going gaga over Nixon's remarks when not 70 years ago many of them came from that same country Nixon thinks of when he's insulting India.
I am not into superior race stuff. I can admit when someone is good at something even if he is from India. But your post are always Anti-Pakistan and always about 1971, I am a Muslim Pakistani so muslim
Brotherhood comes first for me, I don’t care if you are from turkey or from Zimbabwe, I am Muslim first.

Why do we live still live in 1971? UK and the US are best friends now even though the latter became independent from UK after a war of independence?

Indians have a submissive behavior towards power, not necessarily whites people. As Muslims ruled India, they worshipped statues of Mughal emperors... Nixon is Right if he points this out.
 
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I don’t like Turks that much (there are some nice people from turkey here though) especially the Germanized Turks who want to be loved by their countrymen in turkey as well as by the native Germans. If someone asks me where I come from I immediately answer that I am from Pakistan. And yes then they say: but you don’t look like a Pakistani. But I don’t care!



I am not into superior race stuff. I can admit when someone is good at something even if he is from India. But your post are always Anti-Pakistan and always about 1971, I am a Muslim Pakistani so muslim
Brotherhood comes first for me, I don’t care if you are from turkey or from Zimbabwe, I am Muslim first.

Why do we live still live in 1971? UK and the US are best friends now even though the latter became independent from UK after a war of independence?

Indians have a submissive behavior towards power, not necessarily whites people. As Muslims ruled India, they worshipped statues of Mughal emperors... Nixon is Right if he points this out.


My posts are not 'Anti-Pakistan', I rarely discuss 71 on here atleast not to the level that you make it out to be, I have lost family in the war, yet I hold no grudges against any Pakistani, my best friend is a Pakistani from Faisalabad, whom I've known for over a decade, if I was anti pakistani and 71 was on my mind all the time, I wouldn't be friends with a Pakistani.


Pakistanis discuss 71 more times than us Bengalis, a simple use of the search function on PDF will put things into perspective.


Lastly, labelling everyone you disagree with as a 71 hound certainly does not help, I have all the reasons in the world to discuss 71 24/7 and still it wouldn't bring my family back to life, no Bengalis apart from Awami League supporters discuss 71 all day long, we remember our dead from time to time, that is not equal to discussing 71.


Whether you're not into 'superior race stuff' doesn't matter, when you see your countrymen spew racist filth and still choose to keep quiet then you're in silent agreement.

This theme isn't new, it's a very old affliction not too long ago some people were pandering the 'Marshall Race' line.
 
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Then you're as your username suggest : Progressive. :-)


Distinct identity and culture, yes perhaps, 75 years together is enough to form your own identity as a nation.
all pakistani ethnicities are living in same region for thousands of years , they dont get dropped from air.
 
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My posts are not 'Anti-Pakistan', I rarely discuss 71 on here atleast not to the level that you make it out to be, I have lost family in the war, yet I hold no grudges against any Pakistani, my best friend is a Pakistani from Faisalabad, whom I've known for over a decade, if I was anti pakistani and 71 was on my mind all the time, I wouldn't be friends with a Pakistani.


Pakistanis discuss 71 more times than us Bengalis, a simple use of the search function on PDF will put things into perspective.


Lastly, labelling everyone you disagree with as a 71 hound certainly does not help, I have all the reasons in the world to discuss 71 24/7 and still it wouldn't bring my family back to life, no Bengalis apart from Awami League supporters discuss 71 all day long, we remember our dead from time to time, that is not equal to discussing 71.


Whether you're not into 'superior race stuff' doesn't matter, when you see your countrymen spew racist filth and still choose to keep quiet then you're in silent agreement.

This theme isn't new, it's a very old affliction not too long ago some people were pandering the 'Marshall Race' line.





Considering the racism indians have spewed against Pakistanis for decades we are well within our rights to be racist towards them too. If you don't like it, then you are more than free to leave this forum. After all, this is a Pakistani forum and you are a foreigner who has nothing in common with us. No one is forcing you to stay on here.
 
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Considering the racism indians have spewed against Pakistanis for decades we are well within our rights to be racist towards them too. If you don't like it, then you are more than free to leave this forum. After all, this is a Pakistani forum and you are a foreigner who has nothing in common with us. No one is forcing you to stay on here.

If that's the case then this sub forum shouldn't exist.

It's perfectly compliant with the rules of the forum for us to make our displeasure at racist remarks known, everyone is free to express themselves on here.

The same rules apply to everyone Pakistani or otherwise; racism is prohibited on here as it should be.
 
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If that's the case then this sub forum shouldn't exist.



It's OUR subforum. Not yours. We Pakistanis can talk about ANYTHING we want on our forums.

I couldn't care less what indians and bengalis say on their forums about Pakistan and Pakistanis. Not my business or sphere of interest. The thought of even visiting an indian or bengali forum makes me want to vomit.
 
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Please realize that there are progressive people in India too who believe in global brotherhood where everyone is a equal.
Good Joke !! All you Indians can do is lie, fake and pretend.
 
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Recently declassified White House tapes reveal how President Nixon’s racism and misogyny led him to ignore the genocidal violence of the Pakistani military in what is today Bangladesh.

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President Richard Nixon and his national security adviser, Henry Kissinger, in 1972.

As Americans grapple with problems of racism and power, a newly declassified trove of White House tapes provides startling evidence of the bigotry voiced by President Richard M. Nixon and Henry Kissinger, his national security adviser.

The full content of these tapes reveal how U.S. policy toward South Asia under Mr. Nixon was influenced by his hatred of, and sexual repulsion toward, Indians.

These new tapes are about one of the grimmest episodes of the Cold War, which brought ruin to Bangladesh in 1971. At that time, India tilted heavily toward the Soviet Union while a military dictatorship in Pakistan backed the United States. Pakistan flanked India on two sides: West Pakistan and the more populous, and mostly Bengali, East Pakistan.

In March 1971, after Bengali nationalists won a democratic election in Pakistan, the junta began a devastating crackdown on its own Bengali citizens.

Mr. Nixon and Mr. Kissinger staunchly supported the military regime in Pakistan as it killed hundreds of thousands of Bengalis, with 10 million refugees fleeing into neighboring India. New Delhi secretly trained and armed Bengali guerrillas.

The crisis culminated in December 1971 when India defeated Pakistan in a short war that resulted in the creation of an independent Bangladesh.

I documented the violent birth of Bangladesh and the disgraceful White House diplomacy around it in my book “The Blood Telegram,” published in 2013.

Much of my evidence came from scores of White House tapes, which reveal Mr. Nixon and Mr. Kissinger as they really operated behind closed doors. Yet many tapes still had long bleeps.

In December 2012, I filed a legal request for a mandatory declassification review with the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum.

After considerable wrangling, the Nixon archivists at last released a few unbleeped tapes in May 2018 and July 2019, then 28 more in batches from October 2019 to this past May. (There are bleeps still remaining on a couple of the reviewed tapes, some of which I am appealing.)

It was stunning to hear a conversation between Mr. Nixon, Mr. Kissinger and H.R. Haldeman, the White House chief of staff, in the Oval Office in June 1971.

“Undoubtedly the most unattractive women in the world are the Indian women,” said Mr. Nixon. “Undoubtedly,” he repeated, with a venomous tone.

He continued, “The most sexless, nothing, these people. I mean, people say, what about the Black Africans? Well, you can see something, the vitality there, I mean they have a little animallike charm, but God, those Indians, ack, pathetic. Uch.”

On Nov. 4, 1971, during a private break from a contentious White House summit with Prime Minister Indira Gandhi of India — a rare woman leader at the time — the president harangued Mr. Kissinger about his sexual disgust at Indians.

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Prime Minister Indira Gandhi and President Nixon at the White House in 1971.

Mr. Nixon said: “To me, they turn me off. How the hell do they turn other people on, Henry? Tell me.” Mr. Kissinger’s response is inaudible, but it did not discourage the president from his theme.

The president, in between bitter sparring matches with Mrs. Gandhi about the danger of war with Pakistan, suggested to Mr. Kissinger that his own sexual neuroses were having an impact on foreign policy: “They turn me off. They are repulsive and it’s just easy to be tough with them.”

A few days later, on Nov. 12, 1971, in the middle of a discussion about India-Pakistan tensions with Mr. Kissinger and Secretary of State William P. Rogers, after Mr. Rogers mentioned reprimanding Mrs. Gandhi, the president blurted, “I don’t know how they reproduce!

Mr. Kissinger has portrayed himself as above the racism of the Nixon White House, but the tapes show him joining in the bigotry, though the tapes cannot determine whether he truly shared the president’s prejudices or was just pandering to him.

On June 3, 1971, Mr. Kissinger was indignant at the Indians, while the country was sheltering millions of traumatized Bengali refugees who had fled the Pakistan army.

He blamed the Indians for causing the refugee flow, apparently by their covert sponsorship of the Bengali insurgency.

He then condemned Indians as a whole, his voice oozing with contempt, “They are a scavenging people.”

On June 17, 1971 — in the same conversation as Mr. Nixon’s outburst at “sexless” Indian women — the president was furious at Kenneth B. Keating, his ambassador to India, who two days earlier had confronted Mr. Nixon and Mr. Kissinger in the Oval Office, calling Pakistan’s crackdown “almost entirely a matter of genocide.”

Mr. Nixon now asked what “do the Indians have that takes even a Keating, for Christ, a 70-year-old” — here there is cross-talk, but the word seems to be “bachelor” or “bastard.” In reply, Mr. Kissinger sweepingly explained: “They are superb flatterers, Mr. President.

They are masters at flattery. They are masters at subtle flattery. That’s how they survived 600 years. They suck up — their great skill is to suck up to people in key positions.”

Mr. Kissinger voiced prejudices about Pakistanis, too. On Aug. 10, 1971, while discussing with Mr. Nixon whether the Pakistani junta would execute the imprisoned leader of the Bengali nationalists, Mr. Kissinger told the president, “I tell you, the Pakistanis are fine people, but they are primitive in their mental structure.” He added, “They just don’t have the subtlety of the Indians.”

These emotional displays of prejudice help to explain a foreign policy debacle. Mr. Nixon and Mr. Kissinger’s policies toward South Asia in 1971 were not just a moral disaster but a strategic fiasco on their own Cold War terms.

While Mr. Nixon and Mr. Kissinger had some reasons to favor Pakistan, an American ally which was secretly helping to bring about their historic opening to China, their biases and emotions contributed to their excessive support for Pakistan’s murderous dictatorship throughout its atrocities.

As Mr. Kissinger’s own staff members had warned him, this one-sided approach handed India the opportunity to rip Pakistan in half, first by sponsoring the Bengali guerrillas and then with the war in December 1971 — resulting in a Cold War victory for the Soviet camp.

For decades, Mr. Nixon and Mr. Kissinger have portrayed themselves as brilliant practitioners of realpolitik, running a foreign policy that dispassionately served the interests of the United States.

But these declassified White House tapes confirm a starkly different picture: racism and misogyny at the highest levels, covered up for decades under ludicrous claims of national security. A fair historical assessment of Mr. Nixon and Mr. Kissinger must include the full truth, unbleeped.



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One thing Nixon was right about is how indian females are the most ugliest by far on the planet. I too have often wondered how anyone would want to breed with them and make them pregnant.
 
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