The Story of Indian Army's "Cowardice and Panic" in 1965 By R.D. Pradhan

[Guynextdoor2]

As the talks have not taken place, in the coming days it will be clear as to who is a coward or not on the boarder. BTW I know about one RD Burman, never heard of a RD Pradhan!!

'Coping Mechanism'

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

After 65 india knows that they can't fight directly with Pakistan who doesn't have any amo factory any plane didn't have good numbers of army after 47 they start working to " bagal mein churi mu mein ram ram" they prepared and plan good 8 years to create coas in East Pak.
India is much prepared atleast if we count number of tanks army planes and other stuff needed in war game. But question still remain what after everything they tried and they still cudnt stand in front do Pak army which have good chances with the army if we see how they have been treated with in.
I wonder why they chose to adopt first use policy. This is indian acceptance that they can't fight with Pakistanies if they show us their atom.
Fight with Pak is not worth for india all they can do is keep Bangla gov cry for every and use afghani gov and terrorist to keep Pak destable. Now since they can't get any result from both fail policies and cold star got Cold start they had to change their policy. It's sad this hinduvta is eating india from inside, hate is not policy which will india sud adopt. No one can convert anyone if muslim didn't do in 900 years hindu extremist can't do it either. India sud accept Narinder mody is terrorist who is running india and he is gonna create terror with in.

 

[Thorough Pro]

A terrorist living 5 decade old memories, as they say in Urdu, a dogs tail never straightens. Once a terrorist always a terrorist.

Yeah Right.. This Picture Speaks Volumes

 

[kvpak]

Indian army runs away when the other guys are heavily armed.

Indian army is good at killing innocent unarmed civilians. In the same year 1965 Indian security forces were all bold killing 62 unarmed civilians in just 10 days protesting Hindi imposition.

In 1988, Indian army was no match for the Tamil liberation militants in Sri Lanka. Their attempt to murder their leader failed miserably. Paratroopers sent to kill him were killed.

What did the great Indian army do? Went to the leaders birth place, lined up all women, children and men they could find there and shot and killed them. It is in Human Rights websites.

That is why Tamil people called them Innocent People Killing Force (IPKF)

 

[Jackdaws]

Congress Leader Capt Amarinder Singh: "#India almost lost #Amritsar in 1965 war" Amarinder: India almost lost Amritsar in ’65 war | The Indian Express via @sharethis

Fifty years after the 1965 Indo-Pak war, deputy leader of Congress in the Lok Sabha, Captain Amarinder Singh, has shed new light on an order allegedly given by the then Army Chief to withdraw Indian Army troops in Punjab, which could have led to the surrender of Amritsar.
Speaking to The Indian Express, Amarinder revealed he is writing a book on the 1965 war to mark its 50th anniversary. The book will trace battles fought in various theatres during the war, and give detailed information about several contentious issues.
One of these is an order allegedly given by then Chief of Army Staff Gen J N Chaudhari to the then General Officer Commanding-in-Chief of Western Command, Lt Gen Harbaksh Singh, to withdraw Indian troops in Punjab. The order, had it been carried out, would have meant the surrender of Amritsar to the Pakistan Army, besides causing panic among Indian troops.
In September 1965, the Pakistan Army surprised Indian defenders in the Khemkaran Sector in Punjab when their armoured division made a dash towards the town of Khemkaran and captured it. The Indian Army had to pull back towards the village of Asal Uttar to consolidate their defence. The Pakistani division was believed to be in a three-pronged attack in which one column was heading towards south of Amritsar, one towards the town of Jandiala and another towards Beas. After the initial surprise, the Indian Army reinforced its presence in the area and the Pakistani advance was defeated in the Battle of Asal Uttar. The village is now known as the graveyard of Patton tanks.
Amarinder, who was the aide-de-camp of the GOC-in-C during the war, said he was a witness to the fact that Lt Gen Harbaksh received a call from Gen Chaudhuri late at night while the Pakistani armoured offensive in Khemkaran was under way. Gen Chaudhuri wanted the Indian troops to withdraw to river Beas, which would serve as a natural barrier to stop the advance of Pakistan’s armoured division.
“We had returned from Khemkaran very late and the general had gone to sleep when I received the call from the chief and put it through to the army commander. The general was heard telling the chief that he would not carry out those orders, and if he wanted this to be done, he should put it down in writing,” said Amarinder.
According to the former Punjab CM, the army chief went to Ambala the next day and met the GOC-in-C but did not mention his order of the previous night, because by then the battle in Asal Uttar had stabilised and the situation was under control.
“Had it been anyone other than Lt Gen Harbaksh, he would not have been able to resist the orders of the army chief. And had those orders been carried out, we would have had to surrender Amritsar, and the road from Beas onwards to Delhi would have been open because there would have been general panic. It would have been a repeat of 1962,” said Amarinder.
The book, expected to be out later this year, and will also include details about why several brigade and battalion commanders were removed from command during the war. Having witnessed the war from the vantage point of an army commander’s staff, Amarinder will be using the information to give a clearer version of what happened in those fateful days of September 1965

Kinda like Soviets almost lost Stalingrad to the Germans. But it is the end result that counts.

 

[Mamluk]

even then Pakistan was surviving on "Aids".. That too from Australia??

Where does it say that retard?

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

A pakistani trying hard ( yet again) to convince his countrymen and probably himself that pakistan might have won 1965.
Pakistan have won some battles, but all wars have gone India's way...

after 50 years indians have even really zed for the first time that they actually won and started celebrating.
what a lately realized victory.

 

[Jackdaws]

Surely we been always weak on the political front with india because of our lack of experience. But militarily, we have been far far superior legacy of our Legendary empires in south asia as well as the experience we have since our independence from u. Also the fact that these are the forces of Pakistan raised by newly victorious forces of British was focus on warrior instincts, fighting spirit, professionalism and training. Our goals were straight forward ie to defend our country against foreign aggression And in Tashkent treaty had shown who was actually able to accomplish its objectives We were even able to get those lands which were under yr occupation during war. Yes we had to give in return those lands as well which we gained but OBJECTIVE was achieved, since basically we had exchanged the occupied lands. Resulting in no territorial loss. After the Tashkent treaty even yr Leader Lal Bahadur Shastri got a heart attack when he saw what was decided on the treaty, resulting in total victory for Pakistan as far as results and accomplishing of Objectives are concern.

That was our main objective. And we accomplished it accurately.

"legendary empires in South Asia" - LOL. When did Muslim Punjabis or Muslim Sindhis ever have an Empire? So your objective of Operation Gibraltar and Operation Grand Slam was what - lol - occupy some Indian territory, then lose even more Pakistani territory to the Indian, then hope some superpower intervenes and then on the negotiation table you would beg to get your land back? Wow - what a fantastic way to achieve your objectives.

after 50 years indians have even really zed for the first time that they actually won and started celebrating.
what a lately realized victory.

Actually, India been celebrating it for years - it is just that the surrender of 91,000 overshadowed the victory of 1965. A bit like a tennis player celebrating a Grand Slam victory more than an ATP 500 victory.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

As the talks have not taken place, in the coming days it will be clear as to who is a coward or not on the boarder. BTW I know about one RD Burman, never heard of a RD Pradhan!!

whatever the writer name is just open the source given and face the reality.
Indians always have habit of finding excuses. typing mistake of the writer name won't change the book written and it's words.

"legendary empires in South Asia" - LOL. When did Muslim Punjabis or Muslim Sindhis ever have an Empire? So your objective of Operation Gibraltar and Operation Grand Slam was what - lol - occupy some Indian territory, then lose even more Pakistani territory to the Indian, then hope some superpower intervenes and then on the negotiation table you would beg to get your land back? Wow - what a fantastic way to achieve your objectives.


Actually, India been celebrating it for years - it is just that the surrender of 91,000 overshadowed the victory of 1965. A bit like a tennis player celebrating a Grand Slam victory more than an ATP 500 victory.

really???
I thought Indians started celebrating it at national level just few days ago.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Actually, India been celebrating it for years - it is just that the surrender of 91,000 overshadowed the victory of 1965. A bit like a tennis player celebrating a Grand Slam victory more than an ATP 500 victory.

india celebrated it for the first time after 50 years. Before 71 in 6 years india never said they won the war or celebrated it.

 

[Jackdaws]

india celebrated it for the first time after 50 years. Before 71 in 6 years india never said they won the war or celebrated it.

Actually it has been celebrated at the Barki Memorial since 1969.

They remain so today.
The only brave ones are Sikh soldiers.
The remaining are just hilarious, physically weak and mentally unstable.

True - this Chinese one looks ferocious

 

[RiazHaq]

Where does it say that retard?

India has been the number one recipient of US aid since 1947, according to the US government data. The country India's first Prime Minister turned to for help during the 1962 China-India war was also the United States.




India has received $65.1 billion in US aid since its independence, making it the top recipient of American economic assistance. Pakistan, with its $44.4 billion, is at number 5 on the list. US data also shows that Pakistan is not among top 10 for military or total economic and military aid.




More recently, the US aid to India has been replaced by massive US investment in the country that keeps its economy afloat. Massive western money inflows help India, with its huge trade deficits, pay for its imports and help maintain significant foreign exchange reserves. U.S. investment in India has jumped 500% in the past two years, according to the Wall Street Journal.

US Help in 1962 Indo-China War:

Indian Prime Minister Nehru sought significant US material aid and diplomatic help as the Indian troops were in full retreat in the 1962 China-India war. A former US intelligence official Bruce Riedel in his book "JFK’s Forgotten Crisis: Tibet, the CIA and the Sino-Indian War" notes that President John F. Kennedy played a “decisive role” in “forestalling a Pakistani attack” on India, even as Islamabad then was fully capable of going to war with India to wrest the disputed territory of Kashmir.

http://www.riazhaq.com/2016/08/history-of-us-india-partnership.html

 

[xyxmt]

Yeah Right.. This Picture Speaks Volumes

Too bad there wont be any Bangali public in the future to win you victories

1965 was a surgical strike on Lahore, look what happened
ask you forces if they dare try another one

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

While one can not dispute the disarray and at times confusion mimicking cowardice on Indian side in the said sector, one can not also deny the Indian army achievements be it 3 JAT on Lahore outskirts or Battle of Asal Uttar. While one may be hard pressed to describe 1965 anywhere as an Indian victory, it is more appropriate to hail it as a Pakistani defeat as Pakistan failed to achieve its objectives. So in a sum, India may not have won the war, but Pakistan surely lost it.



Friend, India did not win the war, there is no doubt about it, but Pakistan surely lost it. If you fail to achieve your political objectives, then any war is just a slugfest for the initiator. And if the defender is successful in thwarting the efforts of the initiator, then the objectives of the defender are achieved. So if you want to get into the nuances of who won and who lost, purely speaking from objective POV, you lost we won (by denying you your objectives). But in reality, man up and accept that while India did not win, you surely lost it for yourself.

Dear indian,

War is of course most stupid thing...but indeed it is part of human condition.

Your views on achieving political objectives is correct. Hence, well earned respect from this end.

The Pak political class lack any dialectic framework...let alone a strategic game plan.

Von Cluasewitz is most misunderstood... whatever extends diplomacy is the right course...though war is a messy affair..nobody really wins. Making war impossible is the best strategic achievement...

Keep interjecting your views here, whenever you choose to come out of the shadows, at least there is substance behind your views. Much valued!

We might not agree, however, it is great to see educated people representing your contingent here.

The old man @Joe Shearer... hopefully, he is enjoying rude health. He still needs to finish his first Platonic sold.....left off on before finishing second square.


Have a wonderful day.

Regards,

SPF