The Shattering of the Muslim Hope in India

[jamahir]

Its Hindus of India whose utopian thoughts has got shattered in India.

And whose utopia was it that drove 350,000+ Indian farmers to suicide because of socio-economic reasons just between 1995 and 2015 ? Should I post other things that might have shattered this utopia ?

 

[Andhadhun]

When are you getting the law to punish them ?

For what crime ?

 

[jamahir]

For what crime ?

The first one for being a terrorist / criminal who bombed people and the second one for being a terrorist / criminal who deliberately drove a high-speed convoy of SUVs and crushed some protesting farmers and a journalist. People died and got injured because of both terrorists / criminals.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Why aim so low as a Bollywood villain ?

Why not Aim Higher ? Become a Real life villan ?

e.g.
Dawood Ibrahim,
Karim Lala
Haji Mastan,
Tiger Memon,
Ali Budesh,
Chota Shakeel
Shabir Ibrahim Kaskar
Ejaz Lakdawala
Abu Salem,
Mukhtar Ansari
Atique Ahmed
Abdul Latif

just to name a few....

Nah the average Indian muslim will always be a weak servant. It is better to be realistic than to think above the clouds.

 

[Markandeya]

And whose utopia was it that enabled 350,000+ Indian farmers to suicide because of socio-economic reasons just between 1995 and 2015 ? Should I post other things that might have shattered this utopia ?

Jamahir,

You are an engineer....right. you know the maths.

When 10% population becomes 20%, when having lower base it should have reduced mathematically speaking, it means they are thriving...a unique phenomenon only in a Hindu India.

Your revert above is just digression from the topic. If today we want to copy Pakistan and China model to ensure India remains a Hindu Nation...nobody should object at all.

We will see on 10th March...if we are on right track or we need to make more efforts...yes...UP election result is awaited to see if more is needed.

 

[Akshay89]

Sure we can do , would you be ok if the sons or daughters of owasis or Adam Khan be given free education ,quota in govt jobs or you want the same to be given to the real needy from lower sections of society. Don't make it religious ,india needs reforms for sure but not talented at one section of society.

I support reservation for Muslims. They need it.

Hindus dreams and faith is today shatterred. Hope is that now we will follow the Chinese and Pakistani policy in India. Lesson learnt...hopefully

China and Pakistan don't have a minority group which is 250 million strong.

Before partition the Muslim population of undivided India was just 94 million.

Imagine what 250 million Muslims can do.

 

[FreeFromFear]

Entire world is fed-up with terrorism emanating from one religion.
India is no different.
India has another problem also called 'sickularism'.
Both are in check now.
But the danger is not over yet.
The snake is just waiting for an opportunity to bite.

 

[Markandeya]

And whose utopia was it that enabled 350,000+ Indian farmers to suicide because of socio-economic reasons just between 1995 and 2015 ? Should I post other things that might have shattered this utopia ?

Jamahir,

You are an engineer....right. you know the maths.

When 10% population becomes 20%, when having lower base it should have reduced mathematically speaking, it means they are thriving...a unique phenomenon only in a Hindu India.

Your revert above is just digression from the topic. If today we want to copy Pakistan and China model to ensure India remains a Hindu Nation...nobody should object at all.

We will see on 10th March...if we are on right track or we need to make more efforts...yes...UP election result is awaited to see if more is needed.

I support reservation for Muslims. They need it.


China and Pakistan don't have a minority group which is 250 million strong.

Before partition the Muslim population of undivided India was just 94 million.

Imagine what 250 million Muslims can do.

Before Independence British population and Population in British Empire is known. You need to imagine what majority can do but we are not going that path. The Muslims will be brought back to Hinduism by creating enabling environment and re education and with focus on Science, Facts and equality for men and women via Uniform Civil Code. These things when seeded takes time to germinate but we being an old civilization are not a Yahoo / Tarzan like Pakistanis. We are more like China...Chankaya.

You Pakustanis , whethee living in Pakistan, India, Babgladesh or any other nation....you need to pray forva sensible leader as otherwise you are done. Imran the Handsome will only push you guys in forest and make you live a life of a junglee.

 

[Rollno21]

When are you getting the law to punish them ?

Who is Adam Khan ?

And are all of the 200 million Indian Muslims clones of the Owaisis ?

And why don't you get Modi to nationalize all the healthcare institutions and educational institutions of India and make their services free to all the 1.4 billion citizens ? And build more of those institutions and of high quality so that neither should any student has to go outside to study nor any citizen has to suffer lifelong or for long or die because he or she does not have the money to pay for treatment, whether for COVID or for eye ailment or for cancer or for SMA.

I think you did not get the drift of my post. Let me rephrase it. I said doing something specifically for Muslims doesn't help for example the reservations for SC and ST is not being using by lower end from the section who need the most.

I support reservation for Muslims. They need it.


China and Pakistan don't have a minority group which is 250 million strong.

Before partition the Muslim population of undivided India was just 94 million.

Imagine what 250 million Muslims can do.

Our constitution doesn't allow reservations based on religion.

 

[jamahir]

Entire world is fed-up with terrorism emanating from one religion.
India is no different.

You live in USA and in USA last year was arranged an international conference called "Dismantling Global Hindutva" which called for tackling the menace of Hindutvad which is an ideology of oppression, criminality / terrorism, lynch mobs, irrationality, disparity-spreading, misogyny etc and is based in India but has spread to other parts of the world like malignant cancer. Though Hindutvadis called others as maleech they go to other lands and spread their obscenity there. For example even the non-sensible British government wanted to ban the caste them brought to its shores by the Hindutvadis migrated from India. The lower caste Hindus in Britain face discrimination and oppression by the upper castes. You should ask the lower castes there who is terrorizing them. And you can go preach your Hindutvad ideology to the world, you will see the world will be soon fed up of you. No one wants your 3000-year-old Manusmriti oppression and terrorism.

India has another problem also called 'sickularism'.
Both are in check now.
But the danger is not over yet.
The snake is just waiting for an opportunity to bite.

What is Secularism and what is Sickularism ?

Jamahir,

You are an engineer....right. you know the maths.

When 10% population becomes 20%, when having lower base it should have reduced mathematically speaking, it means they are thriving...a unique phenomenon only in a Hindu India.

Your revert above is just digression from the topic. If today we want to copy Pakistan and China model to ensure India remains a Hindu Nation...nobody should object at all.

We will see on 10th March...if we are on right track or we need to make more efforts...yes...UP election result is awaited to see if more is needed.

1. I am more a designer than an engineer so I can think at system level as well as at depth level so I can understand the linkages and at least many mistakes and issues that most others can't.

2. Well, lower castes Hindus have also increased in population but did the oppression and discrimination against them stop in 1947 ? Will you conclude because of their increased population that they are thriving and in full joy of life ?

3. You spoke of "Hindus not being able to achieve their utopia" so I asked you about the farmer suicides because it is not the Mughals or Tipu Sultan ruling India now, yes ? Has that utopia not been achieved since 2014 because of remaining "Babur ki aulaad" and the Cross wearers and the commies ?

4. Let us not take a possible BJP victory in UP by hook or crook ( fake postal voting, inking of fingers near homes in exchange of money etc ) and take it as a victory of democracy because India is not a democracy but a demagoguery. For a discussion on what is not democracy, what is, then the origin of democracy and where it was applied please read this post and we can discuss there.

I think you did not get the drift of my post. Let me rephrase it. I said doing something specifically for Muslims doesn't help for example the reservations for SC and ST is not being using by lower end from the section who need the most.

So don't build welfare elements specifically for Muslims or for lower caste Hindus for that matter, build them for the entire society in the way I described.

Our constitution doesn't allow reservations based on religion.

So Shudras and Dalits are not part of Hindu religion ?

 

[Markandeya]

You live in USA and in USA last year was arranged an international conference called "Dismantling Global Hindutva" which called for tackling the menace of Hindutvad which is an ideology of oppression, criminality / terrorism, lynch mobs, irrationality, disparity-spreading etc and is based in India but has spread to other parts of the world like malignant cancer. Though Hindutvadis called others as maleech they go to other lands and spread their obscenity there. For example even the non-sensible British government wanted to ban the caste them brought to its shores by the Hindutvadis migrated from India. The lower caste Hindus in Britain face discrimination and oppression by the upper castes. You should ask the lower castes there who is terrorizing them. And you can go preach your Hindutvad ideology to the world, you will see the world will be soon fed up of you. No one wants your 3000-year-old Manusmriti oppression and terrorism.



What is Secularism and what is Sickularism ?



1. I am more a designer than an engineer so I can think at system level as well as at depth level so I can understand the linkages and at least many mistakes and issues that most others can't.

2. Well, lower castes Hindus have also increased in population but did the oppression and discrimination against them stop in 1947 ? Will you conclude because of their increased population that they are thriving and in full joy of life ?

3. You spoke of "Hindus not being able to achieve their utopia" so I asked you about the farmer suicides because it is not the Mughals or Tipu Sultan ruling India now, yes ? Has that utopia not been achieved since 2014 because of remaining "Babur ki aulaad" and the Cross wearers and the commies ?

4. Let us not take a possible BJP victory in UP by hook or crook ( fake postal voting, inking of fingers near homes in exchange of money etc ) and take it as a victory of democracy because India is not a democracy but a demagoguery. For a discussion on what is not democracy, what is, then the origin of democracy and where it was applied please read this post and we can discuss there.



So don't build welfare elements specifically for Muslims or for lower caste Hindus for that matter, build them for the entire society in the way I described.



So Shudras and Dalits are not part of Hindu religion ?

Result is not even out and you have started allegations of voting fraud. I never see this when BJP loses and they loose frequently too...

This is classic case of Hypocracy.

The op said something we are used to...Victim Card ...whem the Victims are actually Hindus.

 

[jamahir]

Result is not even out and you have started allegations of voting fraud. I never see this when BJP loses and they loose frequently too...

Come on, there was a clear TV report on NDTV some days ago where an elderly woman who had come to vote in UP said that when she went into the voting room she was told by officials there that her vote had already been cast through postal ballot and of course the ruling party in UP is BJP.

That's why ye voting-showting choddein, voting is a fraud against democracy. People create parties and those parties through money power, muscle power, false propaganda and dramebaaz roadshows force the citizens to vote for a party that is most convincing in demagoguery and not in guiding the society towards real development, advancement and harmony. Isn't the BJP the richest party in India ? Isn't BJP the biggest vote bank party in the world ?

People should strive for a party-less system which then will avoid unnecessary groupism and division in society and people will be able to discuss directly on issues. Please read that linked post of mine.

 

[.King.]

So Shudras and Dalits are not part of Hindu religion ?

Do you even read what you are writing? Constitution cant give reservation on basis of religion. Does not mean that person getting reservation cant have a religion. Lol.

People should strive for a party-less system which then will avoid unnecessary groupism and division in society and people will be able to discuss directly on issues. Please read that linked post of mine.

That will be the most directionless and indecisive govt. Your idea is horrible.

 

[Vapnope]

Kerala muzzies

Be careful with your slurs.

@waz

 

[jamahir]

Do you even read what you are writing? Constitution cant give reservation on basis of religion. Does not mean that person getting reservation cant have a religion. Lol.

You have to reflect on what I said.

That will be the most directionless and indecisive govt. Your idea is horrible.

No, the idea is sound and additionally it will be governance by the people directly, the State having being abolished. Such a system existed and worked quite well in Libya for more than three decades until the NATO+GCC+AQ+"M"B invasion in 2011. Please read my linked post in point# 4 of my reply to Markandeya in post# 100 here. The system is also being implemented in Venezuela. In fact Elon Musk also wants direct democracy - which is what it is - as the political arrangement in Mars settlements.

Be careful with your slurs.

@waz

Well, "Muzzies" is like "Surds" for Sardarjis / Sikhs and if used in good intention is okay. I have been in discussions with non-Muslims who have used that word. If however Sharma Ji was being bad intentioned that is another matter.