The reason why no one buys Chinese Military Equipment

[AViet]

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-the-world-isnt-buying-all-chinas-fancy-18857
The Simple Reason the World Isn't Buying All of China's Fancy Weapons (At Least Not Yet)

In November 2016, China held its major biennial air show in Zhuhai. The event brought in 700 exhibitors as potential customers from Africa and Asia flocked to see Beijing’s military wares.

The main focus of interest was, of course, China’s new J-20 stealth fighter — the country’s next-generation warplane — as the air show was the site of the plane’s first public demonstration.

But the Chinese arms industry is also having trouble, according to the December 2016 edition of O.E. Watch, the newsletter for the U.S. Army’s Foreign Military Studies Office. “Despite this attention, China still faces a number of hurdles in the defense trade industry,” the newsletter noted.

“The global perception of the Chinese defense industry is less than adequate. Some of the perceptions are due to malfunctioning systems or defective weapon designs. Additionally, China lacks extra services, such as training and the maintenance of equipment and arms. Some countries also lack political trust in China.”

To be sure, China has made serious inroads around the world by selling weapons.Two thirds of African countries now use Chinese arms. Over the last few years Chinese weapons exports reached record highs. But lately, arms deals have slowed — and Russia and America still dominate the global market.

In September, Chinese exhibitors apparently struggled to find buyers at an air show in South Africa even as officials in Beijing aggressively tried to secure deals for the JF-17 fighter — a Chinese-Pakistani equivalent to the U.S.-made F-16. Several African countries are more heavily scrutinizing their budgets with consequences for arms sales.

Nigeria is currently the only African country with JF-17s on order.

When Cameroon purchased four brand new Chinese attack helicopters, one of them crashed shortly after delivery, causing an apparent freeze in new acquisitions. There have been concerns among some buyers about the quality of Chinese weapons.

Compared to battle-tested American and Russian weapons, many Chinese systems have yet to prove themselves to new military customers.

During an Indonesian Navy exercise on Sept. 14, 2016, two Chinese made C-705 missiles failed to hit their targets after launching from two KCR-40 attack ships. This was a particularly embarrassing setback in no small part because Indonesian Pres. Joko Widodo personally witnessed it.

Zhou Chenming, a Chinese defense industry insider who previously worked for a subsidiary of China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation and now works at the Knowfar Institute for Strategic and Defense Studies, defended the missiles, emphasizing that human error may have played a role.

“When a missile is fired, human factors play the key role during the intermediate operations to decide whether it will hit its designated target, including a series of reference data such as what altitude it needs to ascend to in the first stage and when it needs to turn,” Zhou told the South China Morning Post.

He added that the C-705 missile and shorter range C-701 and C-704 missiles had proven effective in attacks by Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen against United Arab Emirates ships serving with the Saudi-led coalition.

Chinese weapons have indeed become popular with warlords, rebel groups and militias around the world given the absence of competing arms dealers. The Sudanese regime in Khartoum has been a prime recipient of Chinese military hardware and has used this position to become a weapons source for armed factions all over the continent.

Chinese anti-aircraft missiles have been spotted in the hands of South Sudanese government troops loyal to President Salva Kiir, while Khartoum-backed rebels answering to Riek Machar have also acquired brand new Chinese-made weapons.

China’s arms exports to Africa have coincided with a surge of investment by Chinese companies hoping to capitalize on the continent’s bountiful natural resources, as well as a steady buildup of Beijing’s own forces.

“Trade is a key element of China’s growing economic might,” O.E. Watch noted. “Should China be able to improve the reliability of its military technologies, it will increase the capabilities and prestige of its defense economy.”

So despite short-term setbacks, as long as there are wars in the world and people fighting them, China’s burgeoning defense industry will no doubt find customers.

This first appeared in WarIsBoring here.

As I understand, China ranks 3th or 4th worldwide in exporting weapons. And if you count subsystems used in military equipment as weapons, then the US is also one of its customers. Several years ago, I heard the news that the US military complained they had to import electronics from China for their aircraft.

And Russia is a customer of China as well. China import weapons from Russia, and also export to it, as per news on this forum (military aircraft, battle ship. gas turbine engines etc.).

All of the above not counted as "world"?. Typical Western propaganda. and perhaps typical Western mindset, i.e. it we do not import from you, that means, "the world" don't, because we (the West) are the world.

Soon it will turn reverse that that if something is not recognized by China or Chinese, it means nothing.

 

[TruthHurtz]

You don't become second (soon first) best military in the world with crappy weapons. Some western countries and individuals are just coping for their upcoming irrelevancy.

CHINA NUMBA ONE!

 

[samsara]

You don't have any idea what "Epochtimes " is ? do you?
Even Indians will be too embarrassed use this source to bash China, next time when you want some attentions on the forum, at least do some homework please
Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper established by the supporters of Falun Gong.[2] Its headquartered is in New York City.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_Times

As well as the New York City-based NTDTV - New Tang Dynasty Television or NTD.TV.... belong to or closely affiliated with the banned cult, Falun Gong, and said to be somehow funded by the D.C. Agencies, to act as if a voice of authority to infiltrate or influence the perception on China by all spectrum of audience!

The Axis will support anything that will help them weakening China... the Norway team will even occasionally throw in some Nobel Peace Prize to sugar coat the collaborators lol

 

[rott]

India is growing ay 7% per year, its reducing poverty every year.

@Hassan Guy：Is Pakistan a country or not？or Turkey，Indonesia，Tailand，or even Vietnam. Are these countries just warlords？You must be ignorant as you always were.

Why shoot the messenger, bro?

 

[Majet Raha]

if current Chinese weapons systems are really that good, then why is their appeal so limited? Why is their customer base so small and so focused on just a handful of systems? In fact, one might infer from this that most Chinese arms, while certainly better than what they used to be, are still no more than “good enough for government work,” and that other foreign weapons systems – Western, Russian, and Israeli – still outclass Chinese arms in most respects.

Look at this guy, laughing like idiot and without any reason.

 

[denel]

Norinco makes fabulously reliable small arms. If I was a poor country, I would buy Chinese weapons

The quality is improving but you can see still misses.

For example, I have CZ-75b; NZ-75b clone; while parts are interchangeable; you can see machining is not good still but they work. At our club many people back in 1995 had bought the 1911 clone and had to remachine several components to get to work correctly.

 

[SW187]

The quality is improving but you can see still misses.

For example, I have CZ-75b; NZ-75b clone; while parts are interchangeable; you can see machining is not good still but they work. At our club many people back in 1995 had bought the 1911 clone and had to remachine several components to get to work correctly.

You could be right, I have only fired them for sport.
Norinco SKS, Norinco T-97FTU, Norinco M320 (uzi)

 

[帅的一匹]

if current Chinese weapons systems are really that good, then why is their appeal so limited? Why is their customer base so small and so focused on just a handful of systems? In fact, one might infer from this that most Chinese arms, while certainly better than what they used to be, are still no more than “good enough for government work,” and that other foreign weapons systems – Western, Russian, and Israeli – still outclass Chinese arms in most respects.



Look at this guy, laughing like idiot and without any reason.

Stop trolling bro. Don't be sour grape because you can't buy Chinese weapon.

 

[IblinI]

if current Chinese weapons systems are really that good, then why is their appeal so limited? Why is their customer base so small and so focused on just a handful of systems? In fact, one might infer from this that most Chinese arms, while certainly better than what they used to be, are still no more than “good enough for government work,” and that other foreign weapons systems – Western, Russian, and Israeli – still outclass Chinese arms in most respects.



Look at this guy, laughing like idiot and without any reason.

Fourth in Defense export in 2015 of 5 billions dollars,now leave.

 

[Makarena]

I guess according to the US, those who purchased Chinese weapons are nobody, not a country

 

[Glorino]

TRY LOOKING AT CHINA IN AN OBJECTIVE MANNER----China around the year 2030- 2035 , its defence industries will be on par with European and American Countries. It is a scenario most countries in the Asia -Pacific region has to face,particularly ASEAN countries.

 

[帅的一匹]

I guess according to the US, those who purchased Chinese weapons are nobody, not a country

The so no body countries including: Saudi Arab, UAE, Qatar, many African countries, Uzbekistan, Kazakstan, Morroco, Bangladeshi, Pakistan, Siri Lanka, Myanmar, North Korea, Iraq, Iran，Turkey, Syria, Peru, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Laos, Cambodia,Thiland,even Vietnam. etc......

TRY LOOKING AT CHINA IN AN OBJECTIVE MANNER----China around the year 2030- 2035 , its defence industries will be on par with European and American Countries. It is a scenario most countries in the Asia -Pacific region has to face,particularly ASEAN countries.

off topic

The quality is improving but you can see still misses.

For example, I have CZ-75b; NZ-75b clone; while parts are interchangeable; you can see machining is not good still but they work. At our club many people back in 1995 had bought the 1911 clone and had to remachine several components to get to work correctly.

We improve a lot.

 

[Makarena]

well, what do you expect from the exceptional nation on earth, the most narcissistic nation of our time

 

[帅的一匹]

well, what do you expect from the exceptional nation on earth, the most narcissistic nation of our time

You mean India?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Idiotic thread, Chinese weapons are best in demand item worldwide.