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The Problem With the Global Left

Nope. He was a Islamic populist, he broadcasted his Umrah, Hajj, mosques visits etc on live TV. And how can mass-murderer of Kurds can be multicultural?

Muslims are targeted because of being anti-national and a security threat itself, so this is an addendum to my point. Christians are a different case and are targeted because of missionary activities.

That's called populism.

All of them are perfect examples of this :
  • Disconnect to local issues
  • Demonization of majorities
  • Lackluster economic dividends for worker classes
They tick all these boxes.


All the pan Arab and pan African dictators were nothing but murderous despots. Egypt at the time of Gamal Abdul Nasser was the leader of the Arab world. Look where it is now. On the verge of permanent drought if the Nile dam is built by Ethiopia. The countries that have shed their pan African/Arab socialist ethos like Kenya and Tanzania are doing well for themselves. Ethnonationalism has taken hold in South Africa and Zimbabwe which is why they seem to be regressing.
 
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This either doesn't happen, or rarely happens. I hate the right wingers' tendency to mix lies in an otherwise reasonable discussion.

(Disclaimer - I'm an economic centrist, and extreme left socially.)

Most of the criticism of the left political parties in this article, is justified.
1.Raising obscure issues from the gay and transgender communities. (they should receive those rights, without much fanfare)
2. Increasing taxes to fund welfare programs- in my opinion, welfare should only be allowed for people willing to work hard, but unable due to a disability or weak economy. Weed out any abuse of the system, even if it costs a lot to track them.
3. Socially, most European countries and the US are already left /liberal, or moving in that direction.
Developing countries tend to be highly religious, and India is no exception. The main reason is that the poor masses have no concept(or a weak one) of liberal thought/atheism /secularism.
Just because they are in numbers, doesn't mean they will gain respect /success. They can vote fundamentalist parties into power, though.
4. Immigrants from Mexican and other Latin American countries are a massive problem in the US. But it is associated with the most violent criminal syndicates in the world. Plus, the US is probably the most desirable place in the world for a hard working immigrant. So neither the Democrats, nor the Republicans can effectively tackle this.
5. Faith /religion - this is on a decline worldwide, though the religious people reproduce at a higher rate. Right wingers clash with other right wingers on this, while the left has an easy solution. Secular law. With strict implementation.
6. With economic prosperity and education, left wing tendencies increase.

(tired, sorry about the grammatical errors if any)
 
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This either doesn't happen, or rarely happens. I hate the right wingers' tendency to mix lies in an otherwise reasonable discussion.
I think the point that author wants to make is that leftist don't make visible efforts to disassociate from this kind of "activities". This may give an impression of silent collusion etc.
 
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Note : This article has been written by an Indian right-winger but address an Global phenomenon (in his view), so there can be bias on India-related issues in the article but overall I think many Pakistanis will agree with the general sentiment of the article given their experience with Pakistani left. So, I invite your views on left (of all flavors) from YOUR country's context.

Edit : My question specifically is that how many of these three factors will you tick as correct for the left you've in your mind?

The Snapshot
  • The Left’s collapse across the world has been fueled by 3 factors:
    • Disconnect to local issues
    • Demonization of majorities
    • Lackluster economic dividends for worker classes
  • Future victories for the Left require reclaiming nationalism while guarding minority rights
  • Electorates will prove more receptive of economic reforms as friction lessens with regards to culture clashes


The Problem With the Global Left



As the United Kingdom’s Labour Party swallowed a staggering loss, it’s clear that we see a pattern across the world. Election after election, Left parties collapse against either centrist or frequently right wing parties. Does this imply a victory for the “Global Right?”

No – as Manu Joseph has beautifully explained, there can never be a Global Right.

The Localist
The crux of Joseph’s argument lies in the fact that Leftists have become constantly concerned with grand humanitarian conflicts and cosmopolitan problems while Right Wingers are more concerned with “skin in the game” local issues. The Leftist leader shouts in a city square about human rights abuses in Israel, America, India, the UK, etc… (all while conveniently ignoring much, much worse abuses in less pluralistic and less democratic countries). The Right Wing leader is on the hinterland battleground listening to disaffected and ignored voters about their latest economic or communal ailment. The Left has become caught up in the noise in the air while the Right have their ears to the ground.

Of course, you may notice that lately there has been some hobnobbing amongst many “nationalist” or Right Wing leaders. Yet this exercise will only go so far.

Consider this – put an American Evangelical Christian and an Indian Hindu Hardliner in a room together. While they may both agree on their disdain of radical Islam, they will reach an impasse when the Evangelical explains to the Hindu Hardliner that they will burn in hell for eternity for not believing in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. The Hindu Hardliner will then tell the Evangelical to stop sending missionaries who destroy indigenous Indian culture with their conversion agenda. This clash will overwhelm any commonalities in the long run.

Bring a group of Leftists from disparate places such as London, New York, and New Delhi and you will have free flowing conversations about the liberation of Palestine, proper pronoun use, and how one needs to read more Marxist theory for communism to work.

Even on economics, Right Wingers from different nations will have vehement disagreements. The British Tories are distinctly to the left of American Democrats. Narendra Modi (who many times is described as “Far Right”) has enacted more “Socialist” policies in 5 years than Bernie Sanders will probably ever do in his lifetime. Modi has achieved the wildest economic initiatives of American Democrats yet is labeled as India’s doom and gloom; which is in direct contrast to his staggering electoral victories.

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International Media Spent 5 Years Relaying Apocalyptic Missives Regarding Modi, Only to See Him Gain an Even Greater Majority – Something Almost Unheard of in India


Finally, we have to acknowledge the grand chasm between international media’s narratives and ground realities. The raucous and slanted theater over the 2016 US, 2019 UK, and 2019 Indian elections show how massively wrong reporting was. This was a validation of localist siege mentalities regarding the media as well as the growing distrust people have in it.

The Other
What is a nation?

Is it its citizens? Its borders? Its values? Its history? Its present? Its future?

Of course, a reasonable take is that it is all of the above. The Left’s problem is that it has disconnected from its old base (the working class) partly because it has more or less forsaken the first 3 (notions of citizenship, borders, and local values).

The rural proletariat backbone of Left parties across the world have now been labeled as bigots, uncouth, and “deplorables;” simply because they refuse to digest runaway academic politicking, sneering towards their local tradition, and denigrating of their skin color or religion.

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Anti-CAA Protestors in India Display a Morphed Om, the Sacred Hindu Symbol, in Nazi Swastika (A Symbol Stolen by Nazis) Style. Displays Such as These Inflame Majorities and Harm Protest Goals.


The Left’s relentless attack on their countries’ respective “majorities” has manifested into electoral backlashes. Even in loss, we’ve seen their ideologues double down on this suicidal oration.

On top of this is the perception of the Left engaging in vote banking with minorities. With the Left capitulating to certain antisocial elements in minority groups, majorities have become even more infuriated. Whether its the Labour Party massaging the antisemitism of Islamists in the UK, Indian opposition parties lionizing protestors who canonize terrorists, or American Democrats sticking their head in the sand over the spillover of drug and gang violence from Mexico – Left parties across the world have been made bare over their apathy towards their vote banks’ faults.

Does this mean all minorities should be shamed and hounded for their misdeeds? Absolutely and unequivocally no. All communities in a nation, whether in majority or minority should move to remove their faults and prosper forward. However, the reality is that localist parties have now been given enough ammo from the Left to consolidate majorities in their countries. The Left’s vote bank vetos have lost their old potency and must face the mirror or face the music.

From Revolution to Rosé
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Soviet Bolshevik Era Propaganda Poster – Emphasis on Workers
The march of muddied boots under red flags used to send shivers up the spine of capitalists. Now capitalists rally around the latest “woke” trend and other inane culture wars that are ripe for the investment into perpetual outrage. Old Left leaders came from factory floors, while the current crop comes from Ivy Leagues and ivory towers. The formally faithful worker base asks for policy changes regarding welfare, wages, and trade; while the bourgeoise urban elite donors and leadership demand new articles highlighting “X-phobia” and identity politics.

And when the Left does decide to finally wade into economic issues, the results have been lackluster.

The topic of the Left’s economic evolution is worthy of a book in and of itself. Every country’s economic situation and externalities are very unique; so it is futile to paint their economic portrait either free market green or a socialist red. However, a common theme across the world has been Left parties holding the torch of economic reform only to run either half measures or trip up over useless communal quarrels.

America is a prime arena as the economic tug of war is in full force here.

While markets have recovered and wildly prospered post-2008, many Americans feel like they missed the ship. These same Americans would propel Trump into power as they saw the Democrats’ half hearted economic agenda failing them. The Democrats would face a wave of economic populism to finish what Obama started, but this would drown under toxic identity politics introduced by the mainstream Clinton camp to nullify Sanders’ swell. The problem came about when Clinton lost and now a new wave of Democrats combined both Clinton’s social agenda with Sanders’ economic direction. As various elections across the world have shown, this is not a reliable concoction.
While older Left parties were seen as champions of the working class, they have increasingly championed policies that hurt them. Open borders and mass immigration rhetoric would be devastating to lower income people with depressed wages and increased job competition. Scathing criticism of the “billionaire class” by multi-millionaire politicians not only looks like ridiculous rhetoric but is absolutely ineffective policy. Billionaires and the mega rich are indeed the global citizens that many Leftists wish they were. As Europe’s failed wealth tax experiment showed, the rich will simply move abroad or tell their accountant to move their money.

A Path Forward
A light in these dark times for the (Western) Left is demography. The youth overwhelmingly favor Left parties in places like the US and Europe (India is the opposite where youth are placing faith in the BJP). American youth even have a positive tilt towards socialism. I can imagine a recession in the near future will shatter the walls to universal healthcare, major subsidies in education, and maybe even UBI.

However, what the Left must work on is ushering in renewed faith amongst the majorities of their nations. A ceasing of incessant attacks on majority culture, customs, and values is a must. It is all right to call out the problems of slavery, imperialism, etc… of the past, but the crimes of the past should not rest on the shoulders of those in the present. Likewise, current issues regarding discrimination shouldn’t be blanketed over whole populations.

Concerning immigration, it is a topic for individual nations dependent on context and demographics. An open or loose border ideal won’t work for most nations if any due to either economic constrains or demographic antagonism.

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Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard at the Democratic Debates
In America at least, I see glimpses of a future winning ticket in politicians such as Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard (though both will most likely not win the primaries) who shun the vociferous social histrionics of much of their party while presenting decidedly Left articulations of economics without wading into full blown socialist visions. They stand their ground all while standing up for minorities as equal citizens instead of coddled vote banks or vilified communities. All this, while tackling the impending massive changes to the economy as the information age veers into full swing.

It is more than clear that Left parties have their work cut out for them. Introspection is the best prescription I can offer them as their current path will only lead to ruin. The world needs their kind for ideological balance, sensible opposition, and checks to an increasingly dominant right wing across the world.

Time will tell when sense returns to the Left. Till then, localism will reign.
https://theemissary.co/the-problem-with-the-global-left/
A good read and yes the author is right in saying now a days the origin of leftists are most often top colleges run by govt money while most of them belong from the privileged classes who wanted to bring revolution by typing it in the latest I Phone in a swimming pool in a posh flat while snorting cocaine with girls and boys doing orgy .They talk about issues which most people won't find any relation with current scenarios and the solutions are most often not feasible to attain. Now a days when there is wider protest for better working condition the left is losing the grip because people feel they are not one of them. In this scenario the right wings functions more like the leftists in supporting better working conditions. However I am feeling like the cycle of right wing to power is becoming more and more evident just like what happened prior to world war 2 when people feel the mainstream political or the left organisations failed to answer their demand they will automatically move to a party which can answer their questions someone they feel related to so here the right wingers come.Let's see how this cycle ends and I am not too optimistic here.

However there are a few factual wrongs here:

1. Name of countries mentioned that are least pluralist in nature .

2. If Tulsi Gabbard is champion for minority rights then George Bush is the most peace loving man in history.

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If you are 20 you are not liberal then you don't have a heart and if you are 40 and not conservative then you don't have a brain . And frankly saying I don't have a heart.
 
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lol, old but refuted by many.
But it is a quote none the less and it is been said John Adams postulated first.
https://freakonomics.com/2011/08/25/john-adams-said-it-first/

Lol, only children think in the terms of "domination of the world" these days. Children or Hindutva incels suffering from deep inferiority complexes

The era of domination is long over. No one entity or civilization will 'dominate' much of the globe like Islam did for nearly a 1000 years (7th to 18th century, generally speaking) or like how Europe did in the colonial age. That era of wars, conquests, mass conversions, taking over vast territories for long times etc etc is long gone. Modern weapons and especially modern economics make it impossible for such domination.

There is no end as history doesn't have an endpoint. What I believe is that Islam will also go through a process of 'relaxation' or somewhat 'secularization'...but slowly. By the time this process completes in Islam, Islam would most likely be the largest ever religion of humanity or would match Christianity at the bare minimum in nominal size (Islam is already the largest *practiced* faith of the world according to PEW, that'll remain the case in future as well). Nominally, slightly more than 1/3 of entire humanity will be Muslim in coming decades iA

Islam's defeat of liberal secularism allows it to maintain its demographic momentum longer than it would have otherwise. But no momentum can be forever (otherwise we'd have infinity which is impossible in our physical human realm). Most of Islamic world will reach replacement fertility by 2030s (this was supposed to happen in early 2000's btw lol...but as I said...Islamic traditionalism gives Islam a demographic momentum which would have not been there had Islam gotten secularized/liberalized like other religions)

The future world will most likely be multipolar, geopolitically speaking. Era of undisputed US dominance in military and economic sphere is coming to an end. Powers like India and Turkey etc are trying to grasp this opportunity and become one of the "poles" in this emerging order....and they might. Even if they aren't a pole, they'll be a semi-pole of sorts. More powerful than a regional power but may be not a great power like US/China in the medium term

Lastly, I know of that link. Read it before. The guys who run brownpundits are okayish...not very smart or insightful. Just educated versions of indian right wing. They used to predict Muslims will become majority in Europe and 40% in India by 2050 :lol: Can't take such folks too seriously you know. This type of ignorance is very telling about internal biases of a person
It was already mentioned in hadiths too as there would be a day when being religious would equal to holding a burning coal in hand.
 
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Left can sometimes be seen as anti-majority when it clashes with cultural values like Christian values and overall "shaming them for being white imperialists" blah blah, I hope you get what I intend to convey.
On India, your comments are on Modi not on the left (say Arundhati Roy), maybe you don't know much about Indian left.


I did conflate my argument, though I didn't note him or BJP as leftist ... Arundhati Roy is not a politician and I don't know what her prospects would be if she stood for election.

Do you consider Obama and Biden as left or centre?

They both evoked leftist politics and Obama by the time his 8 years were done had murdered his hope and change in a dark alley in Chicago... So, I guess placating left and act right of center...
 
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The Left has a tendency to strike at it's own foot. Most hard leftists like Jeremy Corbyn and the college campus communists divide everything into oppressed vs oppressor. The refugees in Europe are oppressed because they are brown and poor and the local Europeans are oppressors because they are white and rich. This polarised thinking doesn't sit well with general population and it drives them even further away from the left into the arms of populists like Trump or Marine Le Pen.

Every side has its own agenda. If I have to choose between two evils I will choose the lesser evil.

I still believe the left is the lesser evil despite its shortcomings. Not to confuse a self-loathing Pakistani leftist with other leftists around the world. Pepe the Frog has no good intentions. The rightwing ideology is indeed based around race supremacy. In reality both left and right in their extreme forms are basically lunatics.
 
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Interesting discussions being held by variety of members from other parts of the planet so I will divide the failure of leftists in distinctive regions politically I have transitioned in recent years I use to be a Libertarian and big into the whole charade of the free market capitalism tho I was always a social conservative so I would say in terms of economics I am pretty left wing but the ideal scenario is a mixed economy where State and Private enter prise work together in uplifting the masses not Govt fully controlling enterprise or enterprise making a Govt a tool for oligarchs.


Leftists failures in the Unites States

After the 2007-2008 recession there was big upswing in the left wing ideals as Bush and neo conservatives were basically having a mess in foreign policy eg Iraq,Afghanistan,WOT, domestic policies -financial crisis,devastation of Hurricane Katrina Obama a center left dude was elected he ended being centrist and just a tool of the moderate Democrat wing just Bush but Black but likeable what happen in 2016 with Trump was the working class going against centrism and Americans in general same with Younger Democratic voters rejecting Hillary and moderates More Politicization of America basically yet the Left failed to keep Bernie appealing because they were more focus on bs things like Trans Rights,LGBTQZ nonsense or just sucking up to Zinoists as usual and not talking bread butter issues like college tution,healthcare,and also not touching on reducing immigration funny look at Bernie policies in the 80s,90s and 2000s he was immigration restrictionist cause more immigration leads to depreciation of wages so the Left screwed up there I will write flaws in other political movements later on in another thread when time comes but this is what I observed in the US.Will write about the failures of the left in Europe,Pakistan,India,and etc little later
 
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I don't know about India, but the left in Pakistan hardly exists, apart from some upper class twits on twitter. And no, I don't count "secular" ethnic nationalist parties like ANP etc as the left.

PPP hasn't been left wing since Bhutto, so no, there is no such thing as a verified leftist major political group in Pakistan. The only place it exists is in the imagination of every reactionary right winger.
 
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2. If Tulsi Gabbard is champion for minority rights then George Bush is the most peace loving man in history.

Lol. Right on point.

I don't know about India, but the left in Pakistan hardly exists, apart from some upper class twits on twitter. And no, I don't count "secular" ethnic nationalist parties like ANP etc as the left.

PPP hasn't been left wing since Bhutto, so no, there is no such thing as a verified leftist major political group in Pakistan. The only place it exists is in the imagination of every reactionary right winger.

Pakistan leftists exist only in the media and universities, they don't have ground support because most of the time they upset sentiments of the majority and rehash Western/Indian propaganda.

You will find them on Dawn, ET, BBC, etc.
 
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Lol. Right on point.



Pakistan leftists exist only in the media and universities, they don't have ground support because most of the time they upset sentiments of the majority and rehash Western/Indian propaganda.

You will find them on Dawn, ET, BBC, etc.

They did have a decent amount of ground support in the 50s and 60s. One of the main reasons why I hate PPP is that it merged/coaxed many hardcore leftist groups within itself and neutered them, so now all we have for a resemblance of any left wing opposition is a third generation nincompoop handpicked to be the party leader because fate blessed him to be born in the Bhutto household.

Pakistan could do with a real left wing opposition, to counterbalance the rabid far right we have.
 
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