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The Princes and the Mullahs

Why Iranians are in the streets—and Saudi Arabians aren't.

4:00 AM, JAN 05, 2018 | By ELLIOTT ABRAMS

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Demonstrators set fire to a seminary in the city of Qazvin, January 1. Photo Credit: SalamPix / Abaca / Sipa / newscom

The past week has seen widespread anti-government demonstrations in Iran, and the regime of the ayatollahs has responded with violent repression—including deadly force. Meanwhile there have been no demonstrations in Saudi Arabia, which is just as far from democracy. Why not?

The reasons—and the differences between the two cases—are significant. First, it is no accident that Iran’s regime is led by a man, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who is now 78, who replaced a man (Ayatollah Khomeini) who was 86 when he died. That used to be the Saudi model as well, as one brother replaced another on the throne and each was older than the previous. But power is now moving to a new generation in Saudi Arabia. The new crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, is 32, and many of his own key advisers are from his generation. It’s obvious to Saudis that he wants significant social and economic progress and has begun to promote it. To Saudis, this means that their government is in new hands and is suddenly an engine of change—not its enemy, as in Iran.

Moreover, though Saudi kings claim a special role as “Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques,” the Saudi regime is civil not religious in nature. A bargain between the clergy and the al-Saud family has lasted for generations, but they remain separate. When, for example, the religious police became widely unpopular, the royal family reined them in and removed most of their powers. While the clergy remain extremely conservative and presumably oppose the recent decisions to allow women to drive, open soccer stadiums to mixed crowds, and permit the opening of movie theaters, power does not lie in their hands. The government made these decisions and can enforce them.


This does not mean that Saudi Arabia is more advanced socially or less than Iran. But it does mean that Saudis appear to believe their government is pushing the nation forward and defying the clergy—while across the Gulf, Iranians know all power is ultimately in the hands of the clergy, who do and will resist change. The system of velayat-e faqih or “rule of the jurisprudent” that Ayatollah Khomeini established in Iran after 1979 is a theocracy. Power lies in the hands of the clerics, not the government, and the ayatollah who is supreme leader always holds far more power than elected politicians (more on those “elections” in a moment). The supreme leader—and not Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, who is more of a chief administrative officer—leads the Revolutionary Guards and the military as well as the clergy and has the final word on every major decision.

Nevertheless, it is true that political rights are severely restricted in both Iran and Saudi Arabia. All those reforms in Saudi Arabia are exclusively social and economic, and there is no sign of the slightest political opening. Indeed the restrictions are in many ways greater in Saudi Arabia: There are no elections and no parliamentary forms at all, while in Iran the president and a parliament are elected. So again, why are the demonstrations in Iran rather than in Saudi Arabia?

Part of the answer is found in the expectations game: While Mohammed bin Salman (known as MbS) surprised Saudis by pushing unexpectedly for social and economic modernization, Rouhani promised both political and economic improvement and has not delivered on either. Popular patience with Rouhani has clearly run out. As Ray Takeyh of the Council on Foreign Relations put it, Rouhani “has become a victim of the rising expectations that he cynically stimulated.” Despite the continued and ubiquitous references in the Western press to Rouhani as a “moderate,” Iranians can see with their own eyes that he is not; he is a regime stalwart who will never bring real change (and lacks the power to do so even if he wanted to).

By contrast, it seems to many Saudis that the crown prince has figured out that change is the only thing that will save the House of Saud. The old model of elderly brothers ruling in succession, of an unproductive economy saved by revenues from $120 per barrel oil, of the clerics preventing anything new that smacked of the 21st (or even the 20th) century, was becoming a formula for disaster. Time will run out some day for MbS if he cannot deliver on his promises. But young Saudis will give him the chance to try.

Beyond the issue of expectations there lies the critical question of legitimacy. The great sociologist Seymour Martin Lipset wrote in 1959,
“Legitimacy involves the capacity of a political system to engender and maintain the belief that existing political institutions are the most appropriate or proper ones for the society.”

This is precisely what led to the “Arab Spring” revolts, which were uprisings against fake republics in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria, where that belief had been eroded and finally destroyed by corruption, repression, and poor governance. There were no revolts in the Arab monarchies (except Bahrain, where uniquely the royal family is Sunni and the population is majority Shia) in good part because those monarchies had not lost their legitimacy.


In our Western view democratic legitimacy is the best and strongest form, but monarchic legitimacy exists in several Arab nations, especially in the Gulf. Some royal families have been in place for centuries; some claim descent from the prophet. It is hard to measure the depth and power of this monarchic legitimacy and no doubt it varies from country to country and royal family to royal family, but it would be folly to deny its power. Performance legitimacy, the credit a government can earn by appearing to its own people as more effective and efficient than any likely replacement, can also be a strong pillar of public support or at least broad tolerance. This is the kind of legitimacy that Lee Kuan Yew, no democrat, gained as prime minister of Singapore.

The Arab fake republics had none of this, and it was quite obvious to citizens of those countries that they were ruled by brute force, that their rulers were thieves, and that things would never get better. Reform was impossible because it would threaten the power of the rulers. Those fake republics all had regular but stolen elections, powerless parliaments, and judicial systems that were absolutely without independence—in other words, all the trappings of Western democracy without any of its substance. The illegitimacy of those Arab “republics” was the Achilles heel of their rulers and their regimes.

And that is precisely the situation in Iran today. It is a fake republic kept in place only by brutal repression. The lessons of the last few decades suggest that stolen elections—such as in Iran in 2009—are more likely to produce unrest than the absence of elections. The phoniness and hypocrisy of fake elections and of Western-style institutions that are actually empty insult and inflame many citizens, especially when combined with massive corruption, repression, and denial of political rights. Whatever legitimacy the Islamic Republic ever had has in the eyes of millions of Iranians been lost.

The Saudis are working hard now to retain their own through reform. But the Saudi gamble is analogous to that of Xi Jinping: Produce enough economic progress and people will forgo political rights. Xi has tightened his own control and that of the Communist party; MbS has centralized power in his own hands. And in both cases, the ideology of the ruling group does not rest on Western ideas about democracy, human rights, and self-government. It rests on Marxism-Leninism in the Chinese case and royal legitimacy in the Saudi—but both are fundamentally fragile if they cannot be reinforced by the tangible gains that performance legitimacy requires.

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Can it work? For how long? In 2009 the China scholar Andrew Nathan described the challenge for Beijing:

Like all contemporary nondemocratic systems, the Chinese system suffers from a birth defect that it cannot cure: the fact that an alternative form of government is by common consent more legitimate. Even though the regime claims to be a Chinese form of democracy on the grounds that it serves the people and rules in their interest, and even though a majority of Chinese citizens today accept that claim, the regime admits, and everyone knows, that its authority has never been subject to popular review and is never intended to be. In that sense, the regime is branded as an expedient, something temporary and transitional needed to meet the exigencies of the time. Democratic regimes, by contrast, often elicit disappointment and frustration, but they confront no rival form that outshines them in prestige. Authoritarian regimes in this sense are not forever. For all their diversity and longevity, they live under the shadow of the future, vulnerable to existential challenges that mature democratic systems do not face.​

This remains accurate as to China, and the determination of the regime to resist free elections of any type and any freedom of speech or press, and brutally to crush those individuals bravely struggling to assert human rights, shows that Xi recognizes the dangers any political opening would bring. The same can be said of Iran. The regime has an ideology, velayat‑e faqih, but it has never been put to a popular referendum and is never intended to be, because the majority of Iranians would never accept it. The regime is not legitimate in the eyes of the people, who know exactly what they want: a Western-style democracy. This is what powered their desire to overthrow the shah in 1979 and powers the protests today, and the regime will always live under what Nathan called “the shadow of the future.” Today’s protests may be crushed just as were those of 2009 by clerics who will kill to stay in power. But protests will return again and again as they have since 1979. Iranians want freedom.

The Saudi case is more complex because there has never been a revolution and the system appears to retain its legitimacy. If MbS can produce economic and social change, demands for political freedom will be muted. Performance legitimacy combined with (and indeed, strengthening) monarchic legitimacy may allow the Saud family decades more of absolute power. But Saudi rulers will need some form of partnership with the ruled. That partnership may be found for now in combined efforts to modernize the economy and the society. In several monarchies of the region, such as Morocco, Jordan, and Kuwait, royal rule is combined with parliaments and largely free elections; these are not absolute monarchies. Perhaps someday the Saudis will have to move in that direction. As far as one can make out today, such political demands as there are in Saudi Arabia relate more to human rights—freedom of expression, rule of law, religious freedom for non-Sunni worshipers such as Shia Muslims and Christians—than to full democracy. Ultimately, however, in a modern society with a growing number of educated citizens, the demand for a real role in governing the country is inevitable.

For now, Iranians are disgusted with the refusal of their rulers to allow change and reform despite their repeated promises, while Saudis are surprised and apparently pleased by their rulers’ insistence on change. Saudis will give MbS time, but their heightened expectations mean that if he fails and the kingdom starts returning to the past, there will be trouble in the streets.


There is trouble in the streets of Iran today because Iranians know exactly what they want, which is freedom, and they have known since 1979 that their rulers will not give it to them. That’s why there has been wave after wave of protests and why they will never end until Iran is free.

Elliott Abrams is a senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-princes-and-the-mullahs/article/2011040
 
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Al saud established themselves as the imams of the Muslims with the alliance with al shaikh but they gave up the imam title and kept the king title al saud are not different from the mullahs
 
Al saud established themselves as the imams of the Muslims with the alliance with al shaikh but they gave up the imam title and kept the king title al saud are not different from the mullahs

Did you read the article? It seems not.

BTW not at all. The House of Saud have an almost 300 year old legitimacy (one form or another) while the Mullah's have a 39 year old legitimacy. The Pahlavis in comparison ruled Iran for solely 54 years (1925-1979). Sure, the Shia Mullah's (ironically many of them are of Arab descent and fairly recent migrants to Iran) were always a class within Iran (ever since the Safavids) but they never ruled.

Arab Shia Ulama
After the conquest, Ismail began transforming the religious landscape of Iran by imposing Twelver Shiism on the populace. Since most of the population embraced Sunni Islam and since an educated version of Shiism was scarce in Iran at the time, Ismail imported a new Shia Ulama corps from traditional Shiite centers of the Arabic speaking lands, largely from Jabal Amil (of Southern Lebanon), Mount Lebanon, Syria, Eastern Arabia and Southern Iraq in order to create a state clergy.[37][38][39][40]Ismail offered them land and money in return for loyalty. These scholars taught the doctrine of Twelver Shiism and made it accessible to the population and energetically encouraged conversion to Shiism.[34][41][42][43] To emphasize how scarce Twelver Shiism was then to be found in Iran, a chronicler tells us that only one Shia text could be found in Ismail’s capital Tabriz.[44] Thus it is questionable whether Ismail and his followers could have succeeded in forcing a whole people to adopt a new faith without the support of the Arab Shiite scholars.[36] The rulers of Safavid Persia also invited these foreign Shiite religious scholars to their court in order to provide legitimacy for their own rule over Persia.[45]

Abbas I of Persia, during his reign, also imported more Arab Shia Ulama to Iran, built religious institutions for them, including many Madrasahs (religious schools) and successfully persuaded them to participate in the government, which they had shunned in the past (following the Hidden imam doctrine).[46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam

Both Khomeini and Khamenei claimed/claim Arab ancestry for a reason.


What you are talking about was the early stages. The First Saudi State almost 300 years ago. Nowadays religious legitimacy plays a much smaller role.

Religious "legitimacy" is something that derives from the clergy and throughout almost all of recored history the religious clergy is closely aligned to the state (those in power - look no further than the Safavid dynasty), however their power to act is severely limited.

Already the religious pillars of the minority of hardliners have long ago been eroded. The last real attempt to change this occurred in 1979.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure





It failed spectacularly (wider picture) although it gave rise to the Sahwa movement and the many idiotic laws within KSA, that King Salman and MbS are slowly removing one for one with the full backing of the majority of people (only way that real reforms can take place unlike what the Shah did in the 1960's and 1970's ARTIFICIALLY (trying to turn Iran into a Italy or Spain) - which among many other things was why he was removed by the people).

In KSA the transition is happening naturally WITH the support of the people (masses). This process has been ongoing since King Abdullah (The so-called "Arab Spring" slowed it down) and it has been rather slow but this is how REAL and SUSTAINED progress looks like. It's not done overnight although King Salman and MbS gambled and speeded things up and luckily for most of us, the changes have been welcomed warmly by the people. It took Western Europe 400 + years to develop a system that most people are in favor of and which gives them a say. This is the big difference and why the ground realities are what they are in KSA on one hand and Iran on the other.
 
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the crown Prince is ambitious guy, he need training , he is fvcking up relations with other princes and conservitives at blistering pace. what will happen when King dies? he need to calm down a bit and seek advice from someone like Muhammad bin Rashid..
 
the crown Prince is ambitious guy, he need training , he is fvcking up relations with other princes and conservitives at blistering pace. what will happen when King dies? he need to calm down a bit and seek advice from someone like Muhammad bin Rashid..

When you have ambitions and want to change status quo anywhere you will always make opponents. This is a simple fact of life.

However you are wrong. The clergy supports him and most importantly the vast majority of the people.

Which relations is he destroying? With what princes? There are some 7.500 princes and 7.500 princesses (studied with 2 myself - ordinary people) of which only around 1500 have any position in the society. Rest are ordinary citizens that work for a living but obviously at times have special privileges like anywhere else in the world in their position such as respect and access to funds from relatives (distant) when doing business. However nowhere close to those in power.

Those princes (just a small portion of those arrested), ministers and former ministers, businessmen etc. were arrested with good reason. Many with a well-known negative track record. One just need to take a look at social media and how the people reacted. A people that is not shy to display their unhappiness when something occurs that is not well-liked.

MbS (the Crown Prince) will succeed King Salman. Within the past 3 years (since King Abdullah died) work was done to prevent insiders and outsiders from disrupting KSA's progress, projects (Saudi Vision 2030 and tons of others) and social, religious, political and economic reforms. Opportunists and the old guard who wanted status quo to remain were removed and thank God for that. That's the consensus in KSA here and now.

The future is bright if you ask me but there will be bumps down the road but that is natural and something that will only strengthen the country. We have already experienced such things in the past and overcame them. We will do that as well this time around. I have no doubt about that.

As long as people are content and progress occurs, I will not complain. A perfect world does not exist and never will anyway so if one expects everything to run smoothly always he will be disappointed always.
Outside of lack of political participation de jure (de facto is actually differently inside KSA - Majlids says hello and the tribal/contract between people and rulers says hello and internal dynamics of KSA that only natives know about) Saudi Arabians have overall very little to complain about. It would be a sin for me to complain overly when we have it better than at least 90% of the world's population on most fronts.
I look at the many positives and look at the equally many challenges as a positive challenge to overcome as a society in cohesion and using peaceful means and national dialogue (ongoing process).
 
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When you have ambitions and want to change status quo anywhere you will always make opponents. This is a simple fact of life.

However you are wrong. The clergy supports him and most importantly the vast majority of the people.

Which relations is he destroying? With what princes? There are some 7.500 princes and 7.500 princesses (studied with 2 myself - ordinary people) of which only around 1500 have any position in the society. Rest are ordinary citizens that work for a living but obviously at times have special privileges like anywhere else in the world in their position such as respect and access to funds from relatives (distant) when doing business. However nowhere close to those in power.

Those princes (just a small portion of those arrested), ministers and former ministers, businessmen etc. were arrested with good reason. Many with a well-known negative track record. One just need to take a look at social media and how the people reacted. A people that is not shy to display their unhappiness when something occurs that is not well-liked.

MbS (the Crown Prince) will succeed King Salman. Within the past 3 years (since King Abdullah died) work was done to prevent insiders and outsiders from disrupting KSA's progress, projects (Saudi Vision 2030 and tons of others) and social, religious, political and economic reforms. Opportunists and the old guard who wanted status quo to remain were removed and thank God for that. That's the consensus in KSA here and now.

The future is bright if you ask me but there will be bumps down the road but that is natural and something that will only strengthen the country. We have already experienced such things in the past and overcame them. We will do that as well this time around. I have no doubt about that.

I was talking about the powerful princes.. well explained btw.

Also comparing them with Mullah is wrong, institutionalized theocracy have shown that they are also progressing.. look at the recent protest, they didn't start killing at first sight, they have shown that they are ready for people seeking their rights..

brace for more protests and more reforms.
 
Did you read the article? It seems not.

BTW not at all. The House of Saud have an almost 300 year old legitimacy (one form or another) while the Mullah's have a 39 year old legitimacy. The Pahlavis in comparison ruled Iran for solely 54 years (1925-1979). Sure, the Shia Mullah's (ironically many of them are of Arab descent and fairly recent migrants to Iran) were always a class within Iran (ever since the Safavids) but they never ruled.

Arab Shia Ulama
After the conquest, Ismail began transforming the religious landscape of Iran by imposing Twelver Shiism on the populace. Since most of the population embraced Sunni Islam and since an educated version of Shiism was scarce in Iran at the time, Ismail imported a new Shia Ulama corps from traditional Shiite centers of the Arabic speaking lands, largely from Jabal Amil (of Southern Lebanon), Mount Lebanon, Syria, Eastern Arabia and Southern Iraq in order to create a state clergy.[37][38][39][40]Ismail offered them land and money in return for loyalty. These scholars taught the doctrine of Twelver Shiism and made it accessible to the population and energetically encouraged conversion to Shiism.[34][41][42][43] To emphasize how scarce Twelver Shiism was then to be found in Iran, a chronicler tells us that only one Shia text could be found in Ismail’s capital Tabriz.[44] Thus it is questionable whether Ismail and his followers could have succeeded in forcing a whole people to adopt a new faith without the support of the Arab Shiite scholars.[36] The rulers of Safavid Persia also invited these foreign Shiite religious scholars to their court in order to provide legitimacy for their own rule over Persia.[45]

Abbas I of Persia, during his reign, also imported more Arab Shia Ulama to Iran, built religious institutions for them, including many Madrasahs (religious schools) and successfully persuaded them to participate in the government, which they had shunned in the past (following the Hidden imam doctrine).[46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam

Both Khomeini and Khamenei claimed/claim Arab ancestry for a reason.


What you are talking about was the early stages. The First Saudi State almost 300 years ago. Nowadays religious legitimacy plays a much smaller role.

Religious "legitimacy" is something that derives from the clergy and throughout almost all of recored history the religious clergy is closely aligned to the state (those in power - look no further than the Safavid dynasty), however their power to act is severely limited.

Already the religious pillars of the minority of hardliners have long ago been eroded. The last real attempt to change this occurred in 1979.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure





It failed spectacularly (wider picture) although it gave rise to the Sahwa movement and the many idiotic laws within KSA, that King Salman and MbS are slowly removing one for one with the full backing of the majority of people (only way that real reforms can take place unlike what the Shah did in the 1960's and 1970's ARTIFICIALLY (trying to turn Iran into a Italy or Spain) - which among many other things was why he was removed by the people).

In KSA the transition is happening naturally WITH the support of the people (masses). This process has been ongoing since King Abdullah (The so-called "Arab Spring" slowed it down) and it has been rather slow but this is how REAL and SUSTAINED progress looks like. It's not done overnight although King Salman and MbS gambled and speeded things up and luckily for most of us, the changes have been welcomed warmly by the people. It took Western Europe 400 + years to develop a system that most people are in favor of and which gives them a say. This is the big difference and why the ground realities are what they are in KSA on one hand and Iran on the other.
Al saud rule only because of the religion they are not civil

You said the mullahs rule is 39 years only that's wrong they rule indirectly since the Safavids era and they were the second class in the iranian society after the Sassanid kings

The monarchy ruled iran for over 2500 years
 
Al saud rule only because of the religion they are not civil

You said the mullahs rule is 39 years only that's wrong they rule indirectly since the Safavids era and they were the second class in the iranian society after the Sassanid kings

The monarchy ruled iran for over 2500 years

They rule because of historical circumstances like every other monarchy in the world, present as well as past ones.

Religion was a uniting factor initially but KSA is not a theocracy in the same fashion like Iran. This is undeniable and the article also mentions this clearly.

A religious clergy/religious institutions have always been second to the people in power (dynasty in power) along with the nobility (elite) in a country and society. This is nothing new.

Having a 2500 year old monarchy is no excuse. Arabia has an older recorded history of monarchs and the Arab world the longest in the world in fact. In territories of modern-day KSA we have the names of Dilmun rulers from almost 2500 BC that were allied to neighboring Sumerians and had correspondence with them. We have ancient tablets showing this to this very day.

Correspondence between Ilī-ippašra, the governor of Dilmun, and Enlil-kidinni, the governor of Nippur, c. 1350 BC

BTW Iran is not a monarchy de jure but de facto it continues to be be a monarchy. For instance Iran has had 2 religious monarchs (so-called Supreme Leaders) since 1979 (almost 40 years). The current one has been ruling for almost 30 years. In comparison KSA has had twice as many rulers and the next person in line is a 32 year old MbS that is in touch with the people (70% of the population of KSA is below 30) unlike the Mullah lot in Iran.

I was talking about the powerful princes.. well explained btw.

Also comparing them with Mullah is wrong, institutionalized theocracy have shown that they are also progressing.. look at the recent protest, they didn't start killing at first sight, they have shown that they are ready for people seeking their rights..

brace for more protests and more reforms.

Not sure about that one in the case of Iran. Don't see any reforms but a derailing economy, huge unemployment, continued political isolation by large and HUGE polarization within Iran. I look at it as a pressure cooker that is ready to explode any time as long as the Mullah's are in power. Not even talking about the ethnic (minorities) element here. I don't see anything remotely similar in KSA.

The average Saudi Arabian having 5-6 times the living standards also plays a huge role here that one cannot underestimate.
 
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