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[Charon 2]

I was talking about haplogroups which is your paternal ancestry. It's you that seem to have no clue. Many Caucasian populations cluster with nearby Arab populations in the ME. After all we are neighbors. This is just 1 example of linguistics having nothing in coming with genetics. Besides Arabs do not care if they cluster with Caucasians or not. Why the hell should we. But rest assured that we have more in common with each other than a Kyrgyz.

I don't know why it's too hard for you to understand that paternal haplogroups make only 0.00001 % of your genome and that you can't reveal your ancestry and genetic make-up with haplogroups. Please show me any aDNA PCA Plots where Arabs and Caucasians cluster with each other. You won't find them and do you know why? Because any Georgian is genetically closer to an German, Iranian and Turk than to a Bedoiun

Oh and it's not the rule that genetics and linguistics don't colerrate with each other. As you can see Pathans, Balochs and Sindhis are all Indo-Iranian speaking populations and they cluster with each other. The same goes for Uzbeks and Uyghurs

 

[al-Hasani]

I don't know why it's too hard for you to understand that paternal haplogroups make only 0.00001 % of your genome and that you can't reveal your ancestry with haplogroups. Please show me any aDNA PCA Plots where Arabs and Caucasians cluster with each other. You won't find them and do you know why? Because any Georgian is genetically closer to an German, Iranian and Turk than to an Bedoiun

Who said anything else? Stop acting like a fool. This does not change the fact that most people care about the haplogroup which is your ancestry from father to father and from generation to generation. Caucasians are a mixture of Near Eastern people (of which Arabs are the biggest component in the classification "Near Eastern") and Eastern European populations on the maternal side. The paternal components of the Caucasian came originally from the Fertile Crescent/Arabian Peninsula. There is a consensus about that. Of course this new branch was created many thousands of years ago. The women lineages seem to originate from Eastern Europe. Hence them clustering somewhere between Near Eastern (West Asian peoples) and Eastern Europeans.

Lastly Beoduins form like 2% of the Arab people and are distinctive from other Arab populations. Even on the Arabian Peninsula itself. Even your graph shows (and more or less every other if you bother to make a quick Google search) that Caucasians cluster with Near Eastern people and Eastern Europeans more than any other peoples. So your initial claim is obviously nonsense.

Your average German has almost nothing to do with an Georgian. Besides Georgians are 1 ethnic group out of dozens in the Caucasus and in the Caucasus you have a great diversity and many of the ethnic groups differ greatly from each other. Even groups inhabiting areas close to each other. Anyway nobody cares about that. I just gave you an example of linguistics having nothing to do with genetics necessarily. Another example was that of Iranians. Or you Turks of Turkey.

 

[RazPaK]

Ottomans were bad asses!


Today, the people of Turkey are a little soft compared to them.

I find it ironic, that in the past every Euro nation used to be terrified of the Turks and wrote negatively about them, yet today the Turks are trying assimilate themselves with the EU.

Respect to the Ottomans and Eid mubarak!

 

[Charon 2]

Who said anything else? Stop acting like a fool. This does not change the fact that most people care about the haplogroup which is your ancestry from father to father and from generation to generation. Caucasians are a mixture of Near Eastern people (of which Arabs are the biggest component in the classification "Near Eastern") and Eastern European populations.

Lastly Beoduins form like 2% of the Arab people and are distinctive from other Arab populations. Even on the Arabian Peninsula itself. Even your graph shows (and more or less every other if you bother to make a quick Google search) that Caucasians cluster with Near Eastern people and Eastern Europeans more than any other peoples. So your initial claim is obviously nonsense.

Your average German has almost nothing to do with an Georgian. Besides Georgians are 1 ethnic group out of dozens in the Caucasus and in the Caucasus you have a great diversity and many of the ethnic groups differ greatly from each other. Even groups inhabiting areas close to each other. Anyway nobody cares about that. I just gave you an example of linguistics having nothing to do with genetics necessarily. Another example was that of Iranians. Or you Turks of Turkey.

The West Asian component has nothing to do with Arab admixture. The Southwestern Asian genetical component is a good candidate for Arab admixture but definitely not West Asian. And the Southwestern Asian component is non-existent in Caucasians but reaches its proximity in Bedouin Arabs

I only said that Georgians are genetically closer to Germans than to Arabs which is based on genetical science the truth

 

[RazPaK]

Ottoman Azan:

I find it hauntingly, beautiful.

 

[al-Hasani]

The West Asian component has nothing to do with Arab admixture. The Southwestern Asian genetical component is a good candidate for Arab admixture but definitely not West Asian. And the Southwestern Asian component is non-existent in Caucasians but reaches its proximity in Bedouin Arabs

I only said that Georgians are genetically closer to Germans than to Arabs which is based on genetical science the truth

What are you talking about? Arabs are the main component of Near Eastern admixture as close to 75% of the entire population of the ME are Arabs or Semites. Simple as that. Caucasians are a mixture of Near Eastern people on the paternal side (Caucasus became inhabited by farmers from the Fertile Crescent/Arabian Peninsula (hence the similarities in haplogroups) while the maternal lines seem to originate in Eastern Europe. Hence the mixture of Near Eastern and Eastern European genes among MOST Caucasians (not all). This is also what we can see in terms of clustering. There is no evidence of your conclusion. But I don't care about that even if it was truth. But your initial claim of Caucasians having no relation to Near Eastern peoples of which Arabs are the biggest components is obviously nonsense. As countless of genetic tests have confirmed. Same with Southern Europeans who cluster even more with ME people.

 

[RazPaK]

Jahil arabs and turks fighting over race. Thanks for ruining the thread assholes.


Listen assholes, many Pakistanis are african race as well. In fact we are proud of our African race. Piss off and get a life.

 

[al-Hasani]

Jahil arabs and turks fighting over race. Thanks for ruining the thread assholes.


Listen assholes, many Pakistanis are african race as well. In fact we are proud of our African race. Piss off and get a life.

We are not discussing about races which itself is a controversial topic. Some geneticists don't even recognize such a thing. We are discussing genetics. Ethnicities and races are different from genetics. Only with extremely isolated populations you can equal race and genetics. But not even always in such cases. We have never mentioned any Africans either, mate. Relax. Anyway he was the one that started talking about genetics to derail my correct initial posts that contained not a single sign of any insults let alone genetics!

 

[Syrian Lion]

I find it funny some people here praise Ottomans... they slaughtered Muslims and killed them, they forced young men to fight for their losing wars... no one knows their oppression but Syrians... we will never forget May 6!

 

[Charon 2]

What are you talking about? Arabs are the main component of Near Eastern admixture as close to 75% of the entire population of the ME are Arabs or Semites. Simple as that. Caucasians are a mixture of Near Eastern people on the paternal side (Caucasus became inhabited by farmers from the Fertile Crescent/Arabian Peninsula (hence the similarities in haplogroups) while the maternal lines seem to originate in Eastern Europe. Hence the mixture of Near Eastern and Eastern European genes among MOST Caucasians (not all). This is also what we can see in terms of clustering. There is no evidence of your conclusion. But I don't care about that even if it was truth. But your initial claim of Caucasians having no relation to Near Eastern peoples of which Arabs are the biggest components is obviously nonsense. As countless of genetic tests have confirmed. Same with Southern Europeans who cluster even more with ME people.

Something like an Near Eastern gene simply doesn't exist you moron. Real Arabs like Bedouins in the deserts of Saudi Arabia carry a genetic component which is called Southwestern Asian. Georgians are a mixture of West Asian and Northern European components and here is the twist for you: The European and West Asian components cluster very close with each other while the Southwestern Asian component clusters far away from the WE and European components. West Asian admixture isn't Arab admixture

This means that any French person is genetically closer to an Georgian than to an Bedouin. Just learn simple genetics.

 

[al-Hasani]

Something like an Near Eastern gene simply doesn't exist you moron. Real Arabs like Bedouins in the deserts of Saudi Arabia carry a genetic component which is called Southwestern Asian. Georgians are a mixture of West Asian and Northern European components and here is the twist for you: The European and West Asian components cluster very close with each other while the Southwestern Asian component clusters far away from the WE and European components.

This means that any French person is genetically closer to an Georgian than to an Bedouin. Just learn simple genetics.

You are the moron. Of course it exists. Just like there is a greater European component. For instance Europeans are extremely closely related just like ME people cluster with each other in general. Big surprise, ah? You cannot invent components based on loosely geographical terms. You still don't get none of the facts I wrote to you so I don't bother discussing with you further. Bedouins make up less than 5% of Saudi Arabia's population and less than 2% of the entire almost 500 million big Arab population. I suggest that you stick to your Wikipedia sources.

Also since when do Georgians equal all Caucasians cretin? Western Europeans have little to do with Caucasians (let alone Central Europeans like German's) aside from ancient maternal lines. Caucasians in general are not countered as Europeans genetically. Even geographically they live much closer to the ME and even Central Asia than the heartland of Europe.

Every single genetic tests confirms this. You obviously don't know how to interpret data nor have you any knowledge about the ancient population movements in the ME or the world it seems. That's understandable since you belong in the barren lands of Central Asia a long way from the ancient ME.

 

[RazPaK]

We are not discussing about races which itself is a controversial topic. Some geneticists don't even recognize such a thing. We are discussing genetics. Ethnicities and races are different from genetics. Only with extremely isolated populations you can equal race and genetics. But not even always in such cases. We have never mentioned any Africans either, mate. Relax. Anyway he was the one that started talking about genetics to derail my correct initial posts that contained not a single sign of any insults let alone genetics!

Wallahi, this is a very stupid discussion. You are an educated person and should not engage in this discussion, as it has no value.

Georgians imho look like gypsy version of Iranians mixed with Anatolians, and this is coming from me who has 2 friends from Georgia. Anyways, I'm not going to respond to any quotes on this thread because Abu Jahiliyyah is eating both of your brains.

 

[Desert Fox]

would you give up your country and nationality and be part of the ottoman empire ?

Just a question for all Arab members on PDF, would you guys have preferred a Ottoman Empire that still ruled over Palestine or is the status quo (Zionist Israeli Occupation) preferred over Ottoman rule over Palestine??

@Yzd Khalifa @Mosamania @Arabian Legend @al-Hasani @Hazzy997 and others.

 

[RazPaK]

Just a question for all Arab members on PDF, would you guys have preferred a Ottoman Empire that still ruled over Palestine or is the status quo (Zionist Israeli Occupation) preferred over Ottoman rule over Palestine??

@Yzd Khalifa @Mosamania @Arabian Legend @al-Hasani @Hazzy997 and others.

That's not even a fair question and you know it!


Ustad trolling kar ra he?

 

[Charon 2]

You are the moron. Of course it exists. Just like there is a greater European component. For instance Europeans are extremely closely related just like ME people cluster with each other in general. Big surprise, ah? You cannot invent components based on loosely geographical terms. You still don't get none of the facts I wrote to you so I don't bother discussing with you further. Bedouins make up less than 5% of Saudi Arabia's population and less than 2% of the entire almost 500 million big Arab population. I suggest that you stick to your Wikipedia sources.

Also since when do Georgians equal all Caucasians cretin? Western Europeans have nothing to do with Caucasians (let alone Central Europeans like German's) aside from ancient maternal lines. Every single genetic tests confirms this. You obviously don't know how to interpret data nor have you any knowledge about the population movements in the ME. That's understandable since you belong in the barren lands of Central Asia a long way from the ancient ME.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...Y09EbnowN3M3UWRyNnc&hl=en_US&authkey=COCa89AJ

The Arab language was brought to levant and North Africa by Bedouins in the 6th century who carried predominantly the Southwestern Asian component. The West Asian component reflects the genetical admixture which these populations had before they mixed with Bedouins and got Arabized.