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The Naxal Threat to India

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Good, I dont need to post links


Wrong, I read all that in 2013, Stratfor report was fresh too
You read a 2010 Stratfor report in 2013, after its main actor was dead for two years, and called it fresh? Are you just trolling people here?
 
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How is it a secret, when it was front page Indian news? I fail to understand why you are making a big deal of it. You insulted me first. "Go to sleep neighbor, Naxals live in the moon" was YOUR standard response to anybody. You want respect? Start by learning to answer properly first.
You called me a cheap fraud , check your posts first you and your gang pretended Naxals dont exist.
Then you wanted links.
Then u started insulting.
Do check your posts, and first learn to be polite

You read a 2010 Stratfor report in 2013, after its main actor was dead for two years, and called it fresh? Are you just trolling people here?
You are all trolls, not me.
I am not a fake id.
When I wrote the article, it was 2013:)

Yo

Not very pleasant.
Do you write, btw?
Would love to check your standards.
 
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Pakistan's neighbor India has bigger issues oflandless peasants, the caste-based Apartheid, and the problem of widespread hunger, poverty and desperation, which is worse than most of its neighbors. In addition, there is a known and growing nexus between the radical Hindus and some of the Indian intelligence and military officials, as recently detailed by former police chief of Maharashtra, Mr. S.M. Mushrif in his book titled "Who Killed Karare?".

Here is a report by a Pakistani journalist Rahimullah Yusufzai after his recent visit to India:

"I fear there will be a bloody revolution in India," a retired Indian military officer remarked to this writer and other guests during a recent visit to New Delhi. It was shocking to hear the comment from a soldier, in a country that supposedly had given a voice to its huge population and was believed to be all-inclusive.

It is obvious that India's much-praised democracy hasn't brought any real change in the lives of millions of Indians. That some of the poorest men and women are now up in arms in parts of India is evidence enough that democratically elected governments must do more to provide rights and justice to the rural poor and ensure even-handed development in different parts of the country.

The Naxalite violence in India has caused pain to most thinking Indians. For them it is a matter of anguish that a growing number of Indians are disillusioned with their country's democracy and see no hope of benefiting from India's steady economic progress. They have picked up the gun to fight for their rights.

The Maoist-linked violence is spreading and engulfing new places. The vast region affected by the insurgency include the states of Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Bihar and West Bengal and runs south through Orissa, Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh. It is usually called the "Red Corridor" because the leadership for the rebels is provided by communist cadres labelled as Maoists. The Communist Party of India (Marxists-Leninists), despite suffering splits, is still the standard-bearer of the rebels.

According to reports in the Indian media, more than 220 districts in 20 or so states are now affected by Maoist-linked violence. Indian intelligence agencies believe the movement has at its disposal 20,000 armed cadres and over 50,000 regular members. Apart from the rural poor, indigenous tribes such as the Girijans in Andhra Pradesh and Santhals in West Bengal have been flocking to the Naxalite movement. The movement has appeal for the dispossessed and the under-privileged. In the words of its present leader, Mupalla Laxman Rao, in hiding somewhere in eastern India and better known as Ganapathi, his party's influence has grown stronger and it was now the only genuine alternative before the people of India.

The Naxalite movement began as a peasants' uprising in May 1969 in the village of Naxalbari in West Bengal. It was initially led by 49-year-old Charu Mazumdar and its aim was to seize power through an agrarian revolution by overthrowing the feudal order. Mazumdar died in police custody 12 days after his arrest in Calcutta in 1972 and became a hero to Maoist cadres that have increased in number and strength over the years despite splits in the movement. The Naxalite insurgency has sprouted after every defeat and is now stronger than ever.

India's share of the world's poorest people has increased to 39 percent from 25 percent in 1980. In comparison, the Below Poverty Line population worldwide has decreased from 1,470 million to 970 million. There are reportedly 301 million Indians below the poverty line, just 19 million less than in 1983. The Human Development Report by the UN has been ranking India among the lowest 60 or 65 countries in the list of 193 nations that are part of the annual study. India's poor performance on this score was in spite of the around nine percent growth rate in its GDP. There are reports in the media about farmers committing suicide or selling their wives to pay mounting debts. Though the recorded figures of such cases aren't high in a big country such as India with 1.17 billion people, it still indicates the desperate state of certain communities.

India's poor and marginalised groups have on occasions showed their anger through the power of the ballot. This happened in the 2004 and also in the 2009 national elections. The Hindu nationalist BJP tried to seek votes by coining the slogan, India Shining, in the 2004 Lok Sabha elections as part of its claim that its coalition government had brought prosperity during its five-year rule. But the electorate thought otherwise as the majority, particularly the poor and rural voters, the lower castes and minorities hadn't benefited from the progress that had mostly made the rich richer. Their verdict in the polls was against the BJP-led NDA alliance and in support of the Congress and its allies. The Congress won again in 2009 despite the incumbency factor because it was largely seen as the party that cared more for the rights of the poor and the rural voters and was conscious of the concerns of the minorities, particularly Muslims.

However, it is the ruling Congress now that is confronted with the challenge of responding to the needs of India's restless rural poor and tribal communities. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh recently described the Naxalite insurgency as the single greatest threat to India's internal security. Rahul Gandhi, son of Congress head Sonia Gandhi and the rising star of Indian politics, has been focusing on the vast Indian hinterland, visiting the under-developed rural villages and spending nights at the homes of Dalits, often termed the poorest and most oppressed people in the country. This cannot be enough to calm down the Naxalites, who are convinced that only force could win the Indian people their rights.

A showdown between the Indian government and the Naxalites is now imminent. The Congress-led government is mobilising hundreds of thousands of security personnel, mostly police and paramilitary forces, to launch an offensive against the Maoists mostly likely in November. It has ruled out the use of the military, but the operation will be coordinated from New Delhi as part of a central government initiative. Indian analysts and foreigners knowledgeable about India have pointed out that the country lacked a cohesive strategy to deal with the insurgency. The ruling elites have also been criticised for being slow in responding to the needs of the poorest communities, who were then easily recruited by the Maoists.

Such is the hatred of the Naxalites for the ruling elite that their leader Ganapathi, a former schoolteacher, branded Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Home Minister P Chidambaran as "terrorists." In a recent interview at his secret jungle hideout with the weekly magazine Open, he said "the people will rise up like a tornado under our party's leadership to wipe out the reactionary blood-sucking vampires ruling our country." At another point, the 59-year old Ganapathi declared: "Those (government) sharks want to loot the wealth and drive the tribal people of the region to further impoverishment."

By threatening to unleash a "tornado" of violence if the Indian government went ahead with its planned large-scale offensive against his insurgent forces, Ganapathi has made the intentions of the Maoists obvious. Already, his men, and even some women cadres, have carried out actions that are now normally associated with the Taliban. They have kidnapped and beheaded government officials, blown up electricity and telephone towers, destroyed roads and railway tracks, killed political opponents and attacked police stations and other official installations. The offensive against the Naxalites will certainly weaken and deprive them of some of their bases and hideouts, but the issue cannot be resolved by the use of force alone. Many members of the Indian intelligentsia sympathise with the cause of the Maoists and objective analysts see it as an economic issue and one concerning lack of justice. The Indian ruling elite needs to tackle the root-cause of the insurgency instead of applying force through the state apparatus to crush the rebels.


I think Mr. Yousufzai, an independent journalist and reporter from Pakistan, has done a good job of reporting what he saw and heard in India and he has put it in context.

But predicting revolutions is hazardous business. In spite of studying historic causes of past revolutions, it's not any more accurate than predicting when and where the next big earthquake or hurricane will hit and what will happen in its aftermath.

Talking about Pakistan, the violence has reached new heights in recent days. The conditions have existed for a while and the triggers have been in place, and yet, it's not certain if what we are seeing now is indeed a revolution. There are still many questions as to whether the nation's political and military leadership can forestall a bloody revolution, by a combination of the use of force and appearance of reform to placate those violently protesting the tyranny of the status quo. After all, terrorism is often defined as a form of violent protest.

In India, too, conditions exist for a bloody revolution. But it's not certain what the trigger will be. It could be the growth of the Maoist movement and its spread from rural to urban India where it begin to be seen by Indian urban middle class and gets the attention of the world media. But it's by no means fait accompli. All depends on the ability of India's political leaders and its military's competency in forestalling it. But the jury is still out on these questions.


Haq's Musings: Bloody Revolution in India?
What, just one link???
 
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You called me a cheap fraud , check your posts first you and your gang pretended Naxals dont exist.
Then you wanted links.
Then u started insulting.
Do check your posts, and first learn to be polite
Who pretended Naxals don't exist? You made some very extraordinary claims, which were false, so people called for links. If you are quoting someone on their authority, then you must provide links. That is journalism 101. Now along with politeness and Naxalism do you expect me to teach you journalism too?
 
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Who pretended Naxals don't exist? You made some very extraordinary claims, which were false, so people called for links. If you are quoting someone on their authority, then you must provide links. That is nothing journalism 101. Now along with politeness and Naxalism do you expect me to teach you journalism too?
Nothing in my write up is false.
Every tiny fact is from a good source:)
Your nights trolling gone waste, that article is very much appreciated by other nationalities.
Happy trolling !

Nothing in my write up is false.
Every tiny fact is from a good source:)
Your nights trolling gone waste, that article is very much appreciated by other nationalities.
Happy trolling !
Nihile , by now you are also some type of journo as u wrote essays to troll :)
 
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Your nights trolling gone waste, that article is very much appreciated by other nationalities.
Happy trolling !
Yeah by other nationalities who never have been there, and have no way to judge the veracity of claims. The Pakistani and Chinese blind guy saw the elephant and praised how good a rope and a pillar it was. Good job!

Nothing in my write up is false.
Every tiny fact is from a good source:)
Let me judge your claims - Naxals are CPI(ML) not CPI(M). CPI(M) is in power in Tripura, and the two parties have no single member in common.
UAVs are specifically not used in Naxal operations. There has been a lot of debate in India bout it, with the Air Force refusing, and the CRPF demanding drone usage.
Which past two years were more lethal? The most lethal years were 2009 and 2010, and since the death of Kishenji in 2011, their power has actually waned. You could have also mentioned that the TMC government in West Bengal came to power using Naxals, especially in Lalgarh, and then went against them as soon as they were in power. Again, all of this is common knowledge. No super-secret sources!
Their grass root is also highly exaggerated, as they often physically prevent villagers from voting, threatening them with death. Fear, rather than support is a better term.

And finally about the question I asked, name the original founders of Naxalism. One of their names was mentioned in this thread itself. You still remain a fraud @sabena siddiqi ji.
 
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Btw , why is there such a wierd population of Indians on this forum :( Total loss too

Yes I agree.

So Ms Siddiqi, Is India the biggest scandal in the world which is being covered up by the Indian government and the west? But apart from the Mumbai Attack which has caught the world's attentions , how can the Indian government manage to keep the insurgents at bay and far away from the hustle and bustle of lives in the its big cities like N Delhi, Bangalore, Hyderbad, Kolkata, Pune, Ahmedabad ..? :coffee:
 
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yes, islamists and maoists.. they are a 'threat' but nothing that can't be dealt with

tianamen 2.0 will happen here on every pathetic anti national regardless of their religion, maybe we do need a 'bloody revolution' to show we are truly secular

modi ji's administration will unleash ancient vedic bhramastra on all traitors





Hong Kong allow to peaceful protest for over 2 month but no deaths cause by China government violently crushing the protestor. Hong Kong protestor cry for revolution without the population support, eventually died out and nothing concrete ever achieve by the occupy moment. People have better live less likely take up arm for a grassroots revolution.
 
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Hong Kong allow to peaceful protest for over 2 month but no deaths cause by China government violently crushing the protestor. Hong Kong protestor cry for revolution without the population support, eventually died out and nothing concrete ever achieve by the occupy moment. People live better live less like take up arm to revolt against the government.
True. But China itself has Uyghurs, Tibet and Tiananmen in it's past and present. So it is not a paragon of freedom either. But you know what, I have travelled these areas, and have seen and talked to Maoists. Almost none of these armchair analysts make one very important points. Why was a movement that was on its deathbed in the early 1990s roar back to life a decade back. Farmer suicides are not the reason, but the symptom. The real cause lies in the opening of the Indian markets, which saw two real things - real incomes decreased for farmers, and the introduction of companies like Monsanto in the Indian agribusiness sector. But as I mentioned, @sabena siddiqi is not interested in a real honest discussion here.
 
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Hong Kong allow to peaceful protest for over 2 month but no deaths cause by China government violently crushing the protestor. Hong Kong protestor cry for revolution without the population support, eventually died out and nothing concrete ever achieve by the occupy moment. People have better live less likely take up arm for a grassroots revolution.

The protestors belonged to the small minority which has a linkage to western sponsorships like what has happened in Ukraine, Yemen, Egypt ...etc
Majority of people are against the protestors

True. But China itself has Uyghurs, Tibet and Tiananmen in it's past and present. So it is not a paragon of freedom either. But you know what, I have travelled these areas, and have seen and talked to Maoists. Almost none of these armchair analysts make one very important points. Why was a movement that was on its deathbed in the early 1990s roar back to life a decade back. Farmer suicides are not the reason, but the symptom. The real cause lies in the opening of the Indian markets, which saw two real things - real incomes decreased for farmers, and the introduction of companies like Monsanto in the Indian agribusiness sector. But as I mentioned, @sabena siddiqi is not interested in a real honest discussion here.

We have far far far less incidents of violence due to dissidents in the same scale and numbers as India has experienced thus far

What is describing in Ms Siddiqi's article and others have exposed the humongous problems that India is facing. India is literaly pretty close to a full blown civil war.
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The protestors belonged to the small minority which has a linkage to western sponsorships like what has happened in Ukraine, Yemen, Egypt ...etc
Majority of people are against the protestors



We have far far far less incidents of violence due to dissidents in the same scale and numbers as India has experienced thus far

What is describing in Ms Siddiqi's article and others have exposed the humongous problems that India is facing. India is literaly pretty close to a full blown civil war.
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As I mentioned at least thrice in this thread, she overstates the incidents - and these have happened before - in the 60s, 70s and 80s. In fact Naxalite violence has decreased, and been decreasing for the last 4 years.
But no, you did not read the thread, but came here to spout your nonsense.
@SarthakGanguly here is an amazing person who has predicted civil war in India, when no one in India knows of it!
 
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True. But China itself has Uyghurs, Tibet and Tiananmen in it's past and present. So it is not a paragon of freedom either. But you know what, I have travelled these areas, and have seen and talked to Maoists. Almost none of these armchair analysts make one very important points. Why was a movement that was on its deathbed in the early 1990s roar back to life a decade back. Farmer suicides are not the reason, but the symptom. The real cause lies in the opening of the Indian markets, which saw two real things - real incomes decreased for farmers, and the introduction of companies like Monsanto in the Indian agribusiness sector. But as I mentioned, @sabena siddiqi is not interested in a real honest discussion here.





You want to bring China into the discussion in other to down play the problems in India? For a fact China much better economic condition compare to India which allow China speed up infrastructure and economy development in China volatile region to improve the people live and to reduce the discontent among the population, with some portion of the population aspiring for an independent state would used any slight excuse or perceive of religious mistreatment for the terrorist to carry out violent attack against the population. Many terror attack mainly due to Uyghur perception of suffering from religion suppression, same as Tibetan monk killed themselves to protest against China government lack of religion freedom, not all the major violent attack because of the minority suffer from lacking of economy progress. Tibet and Uyghur had history of ambition for a independent state from China. These terror event not recently sprouted up from the poor economy condition suffer by the Tibetan or Uyghur under CCP government. Each nation problems take on the lives of their own, no 2 insurgency mirror image of each other, you can lumped China problems with India to dismiss the problem face by the Indian in India.
 
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You want to bring China into the discussion in other to down play the problems in India? For a fact China much better economic condition compare to India which allow China speed up infrastructure and economy development in China volatile region to improve the people live and to reduce the discontent among the population, with some portion of the population aspiring for an independent state would used any slight excuse or perceive of religious mistreatment for the terrorist to carry out violent attack against the population. Many terror attack mainly due to Uyghur perception of suffering from religion suppression, same as Tibetan monk killed themselves to protest against China government lack of religion freedom, not all the major violent attack because of the minority suffer from lacking of economy progress. Tibet and Uyghur had history of ambition for a independent state from China. These terror event not recently sprouted up from the poor economy condition suffer by the Tibetan or Uyghur under CCP government. Each nation problems take on the lives of their own, no 2 insurgency mirror image of each other, you can lumped China problems with India to dismiss the problem face by the Indian in India.
As if none of those Indian insurgencies have multi-year histories? None of these insurgencies are recent in India either.
And when did I downplay problems? I mentioned China has problems, as does India, as does every Asian country. I gave in fact, reasons for the naxalite problem, and you read that as a threat to your jingoist ego? And what is that Chinese guy @Keel doing here then, predicting Indian civil wars?
 
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