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The missing: Fury over Kashmir's disappeared men and boys grows amid security clampdown
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Relatives of Kashmiri disappeared persons protest in Srinagar CREDIT: EPA/FAROOQ KHAN
11 MAY 2017 • 1:43PM

On the 10th day of every month since 1994, a group of women gather in Srinagar.

Holding faded photographs and wiping away tears with their scarves, these women have doggedly protested for their missing relatives to be restored to them, but with no luck. That is, with no luck yet.

In India’s northern disputed Kashmir state "enforced disappearances" that happened after the armed Islamist insurgency erupted in the region in 1989 have not been forgotten.

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Attendance at the park gathering, however, has grown in recent months as the levels of insurgency in the province have worsened and the clampdown by the security forces has tightened.

On Wednesday, as usual, more than 100 women came together to demand the return of their family members.

The Association of Parents of Disappeared Persons (APDP) assembled at Pratap Park in Kashmir’s summer capital demanded that the government give details of the whereabouts of 8,000-10,000 of their relatives, summarily marched off by the security forces, never to be seen again.

The protest ritual is one they have steadfastly, but vainly, followed since the Association’s establishment in 1994.

"We want the government to establish a formal commission to investigate these enforced disappearances” said Association head Praveena Ahanger, adding that they were merely seeking information not compensation.

Ahanger’s teenage son Javed Ahmad was marched off by an army patrol one night in August 1990, mistaken for someone else in the neighbourhood with a similar name.

“If our relatives are alive, tell us; if not, show us their graves” the 55-year-old argued. "At least then we can have closure."


Thousands of people, like Ahanger's son, were apprehended across Kashmir by the security forces and then simply vanished.

His distraught mother visited military camps and jails across the Kashmir Valley looking for him, even badgering barbers, cooks and others with access to incarceration camps, but to no avail.

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With assistance from activist lawyers she eventually filed a case in the state High Court seeking her son's whereabouts, and 13 years later identified the two soldiers who had seized him.

But her triumph was short-lived, as her bid to prosecute these two army men was referred to the federal government for legal sanction. As with hundreds of corresponding cases, consent was denied.

This was because the Armed Forces Special Powers Act invoked across several of India’s militancy-ridden regions, grants immunity from prosecution to all military and paramilitary personnel for acts performed in the course of enforcing peace.

Other than arbitrarily apprehending anyone merely on suspicion, the security fiat even includes shooting dead unarmed protestors on specious grounds, such as for defying curfew.

“This monthly gathering serves as a kind of group therapy, even after all these years, for the families of the disappeared” said Association Project Director Sabia Dar.

She added that the phenomena of disappearances needed to be resolved by the authorities.

Back in Srinagar’s Pratap Pak, the parents mourning their missing offspring were joined by scores of Kashmiri ‘half-widows’ – a classification peculiar to the troubled state – also seeking official redemption.

These were wives of ‘disappeared’ males who, in Kashmir’s strict Islamic milieu cannot remarry, as they lacked proof of having been widowed. Dar estimates their number to be around 1,500-2,000.

And, since the majority of them were poor, their ‘twilight’ status meant they were socially relegated and lead indigent, wretched existences, she declared.


Many such wives also had the additional burden of having to support 600-700 ‘half-orphans’ or children born to them after their spouses had disappeared.

Meanwhile, senior security officials in Srinagar privately conceded that fewer than 1,000 Kashmiri youths had ‘disappeared’ and that less than 150 of them had died.

They maintained that the majority of the ‘disappeared’ had fled to Pakistan-controlled Kashmir to obtain arms training, before returning to fuel the Kashmiri insurgency.

But Pakistan, which controls a third of Kashmir and claims the rest, denies Indian allegations of arming and training insurgents, providing merely moral, diplomatic and political support to the Kashmiri independence struggle.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...irs-disappeared-men-boys-grows-amid-security/
 
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India is at war with the Kashmiri population itself now. It used to be the case that it was the militants only who defied the Indian State with a tacit support from certain sections of the Kashmiri population, now the entire State is in a state of revolt against Indian rule. History teaches us that when a Country goes to war with the population itself, that war is lost.
 
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"8,000-10,000 of their relatives, summarily marched off by the security forces, never to be seen again. "
Indians accuses China destroying Xinjiang and Tibet . Look at what they did to Kashmiris . We brought wealth , peace and prosperity to the people in Xinjiang and Tibet. What India brought to Kashmiris? Tears , blood and death.
 
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Ironically this comes from a person who's countries basic Ideology itself is ""Political power grows from the barrel of guns" LOL :p:

I guess you might not have forgotten the "Tiananmen Square Massacre"

Please check the following links, that too from telegraph.co.uk, especially the first link, where you will see the video and the grievances of an elderly Chinese couple who lost their son. :(
You certainly outdid China to make thousands disappear, Tiananmen may have some casualties but not big and ironically no one will killed in Tiananmen square yet the west labels the event " Tiananmen Square Massacre" What a joke and India made thousands of people lose their sons , husbands and fathers.
 
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You certainly outdid China to make thousands disappear, Tiananmen may have some casualties but not big and ironically no one will killed in Tiananmen square yet the west labels the event " Tiananmen Square Massacre" What a joke and India made thousands of people lose their sons , husbands and fathers.

No one was killed, did you ever care to see the video in the link I've specifically ?? Certainly I can't understand Chinese, but since you can (if ever you were Chinese), then you could have understood. And don't talk about Human rights, because Communists and Human rights are nothing but a big Joke. :-)

Regarding Kashmir, why don't you see and speak about relatively peaceful period up until 1990's from the day of Interdependence. If my country wanted to do atrocities, they could have started long back right after the independence. Why wait for long 45 years ??? Ever thought ??

Just like you blame Tiananmen massacre on west, we have our own grievances regarding cross boarder terrorism, and we have enough proof to substantiate the same. If anyone chose to fight the security apparatus with army anywhere in the world, he/she will receive a bullet in return anywhere in the world and neither India or China is an exception in that case. :-(

They were detained and soon enough their families being informed of their whereabouts, unlike India, you make thousands of people disappear for good.

Says who ?? Can you quote any neutral sources or agencies who support your claims ?? LOL

Unlike China, there is complete press freedom in Kashmir , that's why whenever a slight Human rights violations happen it's a big news the other day. You won't see any such news out of China, why ?? Not because such things don't happen, but press is Highly censored. Every Communist have done that and you still do that. :-(
 
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"8,000-10,000 of their relatives, summarily marched off by the security forces, never to be seen again. "
Indians accuses China destroying Xinjiang and Tibet . Look at what they did to Kashmiris . We brought wealth , peace and prosperity to the people in Xinjiang and Tibet. What India brought to Kashmiris? Tears , blood and death.

What India do to Kashmiris?

They might have joined Terrorist organizations like many. We do not kill people like you by shooting a bullete in back side of their head in public.
 
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You certainly outdid China to make thousands disappear, Tiananmen may have some casualties but not big and ironically no one will killed in Tiananmen square yet the west labels the event " Tiananmen Square Massacre" What a joke and India made thousands of people lose their sons , husbands and fathers.
You forgot cultural revolution. Where millions were executed.
Anyway, keeping the irony aside, the Kashmiri who are missing will be either in Juvenile detention center and the men will be in Jail for abusing security officials. :-) The terrorists in the list may be either dead or serving prison time without any possibility of prosecution. They will be left off once they turn old:angel:.
 
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No one was killed, did you ever care to see the video in the link I've specifically ?? Certainly I can't understand Chinese, but since you can (if ever you were Chinese), then you could have understood. And don't talk about Human rights, because Communists and Human rights are nothing but a big Joke. :-)

You don't have to understand Chinese , so called "Tiananmen Square Massacre" is a western hoax. check this and you learn something everyday. https://www.google.com/?gfe_rd=cr&e...newwindow=1&q=no+one+died+in+tiananmen+square

Says who ?? Can you quote any neutral sources or agencies who support your claims ?? LOL

Unlike China, there is complete press freedom in Kashmir , that's why whenever a slight Human rights violations happen it's a big news the other day. You won't see any such news out of China, why ?? Not because such things don't happen, but press is Highly censored. Every Communist have done that and you still do that. :-(

Tell me one of such lawyers who were detained and never being found again in China.

Unlike China, there is complete press freedom in Kashmir , that's why whenever a slight Human rights violations happen it's a big news the other day.
That's utterly a lie.
https://www.voanews.com/a/india-social-medias-ban-kashmir/3847713.html
 
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You don't have to understand Chinese , so called "Tiananmen Square Massacre" is a western hoax. check this and you learn something everyday. https://www.google.com/?gfe_rd=cr&e...newwindow=1&q=no+one+died+in+tiananmen+square



Tell me one of such lawyers who were detained and never being found again in China.


That's utterly a lie.
https://www.voanews.com/a/india-social-medias-ban-kashmir/3847713.html

LOL, when did social media became press and banning that attributes to press freedom ??? And if that is the case where does China stand ??? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

https://en.greatfire.org/search/blocked

Again I reiterates, the details of Kashmir are emerging only because of our press both print and digital media. And yes there are some atrocities happening and I condemn it (but never support terrorist or violent protesters/stone pelters, if they use force they will be crushed using brute force anywhere)

And do you know the very BIG difference between us, liberal and sane Indian like me acknowledge and condemn and call a spade-a-spade but you will never ever accept that their is any fault in your system nor your system had done any wrong, shame on you for being so coward. :(

Yes there are atrocities happening in Kashmir and elsewhere in my country, but again tell me one place in the world where forces are deployed and few cases of Human rights violations are not reported ( unless censored via some Great Firewall) ?? But that can't be attributed to state policy unless and until people start to escape as refugees to neighboring countries ( Eg: Bengali's from East Pakistan, The Tibetans, The Libyans and Syrians migrating to Europe and elsewhere etc. ), Now tell me how many Kashmiri Brothers and Sisters had migrated amass seeking refuge in neighboring countries ?? :-)
 
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And do you know the very BIG difference between us, liberal and sane Indian like me acknowledge and condemn and call a spade-a-spade but you will never ever accept that their is any fault in your system nor your system had done any wrong, shame on you for being so coward. :(
No , you never think anything wrong with your system, Indians always attack our system and call us brutal dictatorship and yours beautiful shining democracy and we Chinese never attack your political system cause we don't really care what system you have. We only cares what brings the result.
 
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No , you never think anything wrong with your system, Indians always attack our system and call us brutal dictatorship and yours beautiful shining democracy and we Chinese never attack your political system cause we don't really care what system you have. We only cares what brings the result.

See, still you can't condemn the atrocities in your system while I can openly condemn the wrong doings in my country not only here in a forum but publicly in India. That's the BIG difference of India being a democracy and your closed system. LOL :p:, But I'm sure you will come up with some other excuse or brags, nevermind. :p:

Result or no result it's a matter of other discussion I guess.

And the articles appearing time and again in GlobalTimes giving advice's or criticizing India does prove that the Chinese are least bothered about us. LOL :p:
 
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See, still you can't condemn the atrocities in your system while I can openly condemn the wrong doings in my country not only here in a forum but publicly in India. That's the BIG difference of India being a democracy and your closed system. LOL :p:, But I'm sure you will come up with some other excuse or brags, nevermind. :p:

Result or no result it's a matter of other discussion I guess.

And the articles appearing time and again in GlobalTimes giving advice's or criticizing India does prove that the Chinese are least bothered about us. LOL :p:
We Chinese criticize the government a lot,but we rarely criticize anyone for the sake of criticism, We only criticize each other for the sake of getting the desirable results, that's the major difference between our politicians while yours only care about getting their personal political gains and making false promises to the general public.
 
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Before posting these articles check your cpc human records and try to figure out how to hide that shame.

The missing: Fury over Kashmir's disappeared men and boys grows amid security clampdown
TELEMMGLPICT000128218317-large_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqHaZ8JMGQ_nOZ1URPL9FaE8iZ_6TH--rKxBA8mEVjkI4.jpeg

Relatives of Kashmiri disappeared persons protest in Srinagar CREDIT: EPA/FAROOQ KHAN
11 MAY 2017 • 1:43PM

On the 10th day of every month since 1994, a group of women gather in Srinagar.

Holding faded photographs and wiping away tears with their scarves, these women have doggedly protested for their missing relatives to be restored to them, but with no luck. That is, with no luck yet.

In India’s northern disputed Kashmir state "enforced disappearances" that happened after the armed Islamist insurgency erupted in the region in 1989 have not been forgotten.

TELEMMGLPICT000128218503-large_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq-pfgFGBz9L_4V5dRQnfCxd6yN5CV7Pul_xM_LGnPwu0.jpeg

Attendance at the park gathering, however, has grown in recent months as the levels of insurgency in the province have worsened and the clampdown by the security forces has tightened.

On Wednesday, as usual, more than 100 women came together to demand the return of their family members.

The Association of Parents of Disappeared Persons (APDP) assembled at Pratap Park in Kashmir’s summer capital demanded that the government give details of the whereabouts of 8,000-10,000 of their relatives, summarily marched off by the security forces, never to be seen again.

The protest ritual is one they have steadfastly, but vainly, followed since the Association’s establishment in 1994.

"We want the government to establish a formal commission to investigate these enforced disappearances” said Association head Praveena Ahanger, adding that they were merely seeking information not compensation.

Ahanger’s teenage son Javed Ahmad was marched off by an army patrol one night in August 1990, mistaken for someone else in the neighbourhood with a similar name.

“If our relatives are alive, tell us; if not, show us their graves” the 55-year-old argued. "At least then we can have closure."


Thousands of people, like Ahanger's son, were apprehended across Kashmir by the security forces and then simply vanished.

His distraught mother visited military camps and jails across the Kashmir Valley looking for him, even badgering barbers, cooks and others with access to incarceration camps, but to no avail.

TELEMMGLPICT000128217471-large_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqaRL1kC4G7DT9ZsZm6Pe3PehAFAI_f6ud569StXyOKH0.jpeg

With assistance from activist lawyers she eventually filed a case in the state High Court seeking her son's whereabouts, and 13 years later identified the two soldiers who had seized him.

But her triumph was short-lived, as her bid to prosecute these two army men was referred to the federal government for legal sanction. As with hundreds of corresponding cases, consent was denied.

This was because the Armed Forces Special Powers Act invoked across several of India’s militancy-ridden regions, grants immunity from prosecution to all military and paramilitary personnel for acts performed in the course of enforcing peace.

Other than arbitrarily apprehending anyone merely on suspicion, the security fiat even includes shooting dead unarmed protestors on specious grounds, such as for defying curfew.

“This monthly gathering serves as a kind of group therapy, even after all these years, for the families of the disappeared” said Association Project Director Sabia Dar.

She added that the phenomena of disappearances needed to be resolved by the authorities.

Back in Srinagar’s Pratap Pak, the parents mourning their missing offspring were joined by scores of Kashmiri ‘half-widows’ – a classification peculiar to the troubled state – also seeking official redemption.

These were wives of ‘disappeared’ males who, in Kashmir’s strict Islamic milieu cannot remarry, as they lacked proof of having been widowed. Dar estimates their number to be around 1,500-2,000.

And, since the majority of them were poor, their ‘twilight’ status meant they were socially relegated and lead indigent, wretched existences, she declared.


Many such wives also had the additional burden of having to support 600-700 ‘half-orphans’ or children born to them after their spouses had disappeared.

Meanwhile, senior security officials in Srinagar privately conceded that fewer than 1,000 Kashmiri youths had ‘disappeared’ and that less than 150 of them had died.

They maintained that the majority of the ‘disappeared’ had fled to Pakistan-controlled Kashmir to obtain arms training, before returning to fuel the Kashmiri insurgency.

But Pakistan, which controls a third of Kashmir and claims the rest, denies Indian allegations of arming and training insurgents, providing merely moral, diplomatic and political support to the Kashmiri independence struggle.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...irs-disappeared-men-boys-grows-amid-security/
 
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In Chinese politics, your political career totally depends on your past achievements and results you brought in your previous political career, not false election campaign promises.

Before posting these articles check your cpc human records and try to figure out how to hide that shame.
Our record is to have lifted millions of people out of poverty in one generation, a unprecedented feat never had been done in the whole human history. That's a huge achievement for the humanity ,what about yours?
 
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In Chinese politics, your political career totally depends on your past achievements and results you brought in your previous political career, not false election campaign promises.


Our record is to have lifted millions of people out of poverty in one generation, a unprecedented feat never had been done in the whole human history. That's a huge achievement for the humanity ,what about yours?
Economy do not give freedom nor money is a substitute for human right violations.
 
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