The Jew of Nations: The Global Demonization of Israel

[VCheng]

Modern day Pakistani's were not foreign to their land. The British brought foreigners to Palestinian land and created artificial state.

No Sir. The majority of the immigration occurred after Israel was formed as a sovereign State, after the native Jews accepted the partition plan, just like the native Muslims of India accepted the plan offered to them.

 

[Developereo]

Modern day Pakistani's were not foreign to their land. The British brought foreigners to Palestinian land and created artificial state.

You're wasting your time one someone who has no clue about history.

 

[Falcon29]

No Sir. The majority of the immigration occurred after Israel was formed as a sovereign State, after the native Jews accepted the partition plan, just like the native Muslims of India accepted the plan offered to them.

There were no such thing as native Jews. Besides a couple dozen thousand at most. The only reason it was possible to partition the and was due to the mass immigration that took place from the late 80's to the early 30's. Without it the Jewish population would have not exceeded 5 %.

 

[Developereo]

Russia and Kazakhstan have a tremendous amount of empty space in their country. The latter (Kazakhstan) especially could be persuaded with enough money to give up some of it, and their land is high quality and good for farming.

Many countries in Africa as well have incredible amounts of empty space. Or Canada, or America even.

We also have massive amounts of free land in our Western portion, but of course that is not negotiable.

The original Zionist preferences were in Ecuador and Uganda. They are still questionable, since it is doubtful anyone would have asked the Ecuadorians or Ugandans about their say in the matter.

The important point is that the Zionists decided which land they wanted. Even now, if someone offers them a Jewish state, it is not they, but the Zionists, who would decide what part becomes a Jewish state. If the Zionists want Beijing, they get it. If they want London, they get it. If they want New Delhi, they get it. Anyone currently living there would be evicted or killed off.

 

[VCheng]

There were no such thing as native Jews. Besides a couple dozen thousand at most. The only reason it was possible to partition the and was due to the mass immigration that took place from the late 80's to the early 30's. Without it the Jewish population would have not exceeded 5 %.

These are the population data Sir, indicating that Jews were about a third of the population in 1947:

Demographics of Palestine
Year Jews Arabs Total
1800 6,700 268,000 274,700
1880 24,000 525,000 549,000
1915 87,500 590,000 677,500
1931 174,000 837,000 1,011,000
1936 > 400,000 < 800,000 1,200,000
1947 630,000 1,310,000 1,940,000
UN Partition Plan (1947)
Area allotted for the Jewish state Area allotted for the Arab state
Jews Arabs Jews Arabs
498,000 407,000 10,000 725,000

 

[Developereo]

There were no such thing as native Jews. Besides a couple dozen thousand at most. The only reason it was possible to partition the and was due to the mass immigration that took place from the late 80's to the early 30's. Without it the Jewish population would have not exceeded 5 %.

He still doesn't have a clue about the British-sanctioned mass migration of Jews into Palestine in the late 19th to early 20th century, before 1948.

Just enjoy the display of ignorance.

 

[Falcon29]

These are the population data Sir, indicating that Jews were about a third of the population in 1947:

Demographics of Palestine
Year Jews Arabs Total
1800 6,700 268,000 274,700
1880 24,000 525,000 549,000
1915 87,500 590,000 677,500
1931 174,000 837,000 1,011,000
1936 > 400,000 < 800,000 1,200,000
1947 630,000 1,310,000 1,940,000
UN Partition Plan (1947)
Area allotted for the Jewish state Area allotted for the Arab state
Jews Arabs Jews Arabs
498,000 407,000 10,000 725,000

And it supports my point.

He still doesn't have a clue about the British-sanctioned mass migration of Jews into Palestine in the late 19th to early 20th century, before 1948.

Just enjoy the display of ignorance.

I've had this discussion with him well over a couple dozen times.

 

[VCheng]

And it supports my point.

How? A third is far more than mere 5% that you claimed. Besides, the British mandate over this region only came into being after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in 1919 and lasted till 1948, a period of less than 30 years.

 

[Falcon29]

How? The British mandate over this region only came into being after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in 1919 and lasted till 1948, a period of less than 30 years.

What are you debating me over? Read your statistics, the major increase in Jewish population in Palestine took place from the time around Balfour Declaration all the way to the partition plan. Otherwise they would have remained a minority.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Funny how you declare your own land "not negotiable", yet you find it easy to put up other lands up for negotiation.

We don't need the money.

Others might though. There is plenty of good land in Africa and Central Asia and Latin America. With leaders like Mugabe there wouldn't be an issue.

And I mean a fair price, not tricking Native Americans by giving them colorful beads.

The original Zionist preferences were in Ecuador and Uganda. They are still questionable, since it is doubtful anyone would have asked the Ecuadorians or Ugandans about their say in the matter.

The important point is that the Zionists decided which land they wanted. Even now, if someone offers them a Jewish state, it is not they, but the Zionists, who would decide what part becomes a Jewish state. If the Zionists want Beijing, they get it. If they want London, they get it. If they want New Delhi, they get it. Anyone currently living there would be evicted or killed off.

That's right.

They want Jerusalem.

 

[VCheng]

What are you debating me over? Read your statistics, the major increase in Jewish population in Palestine took place from the time around Balfour Declaration all the way to the partition plan. Otherwise they would have remained a minority.

A third of the population is a sizable proportion, similar to the ratio of Muslims in India, which the British divided as well.

We don't need the money.

Others might though. There is plenty of good land in Africa and Central Asia and Latin America. It has been done before.

And I mean a fair price, not tricking Native Americans by giving them colorful beads.

Ah yes, please broker the deal!

 

[Falcon29]

A third of the population is a sizable proportion, similar to the ratio of Muslims in India, which the British divided as well

@Developereo

So now he jumped on another bandwagon. He can't accept the facts and resorts to this....

 

[Developereo]

What are you debating me over? Read your statistics, the major increase in Jewish population in Palestine took place from the time around Balfour Declaration all the way to the partition plan. Otherwise they would have remained a minority.

Jews went from about 4^ to 10% from 1850 to Balfour Declaration.
Under the Brits, they went from 10% to 30+%.

Elementary mathematics.

@Developereo

So now he jumped on another bandwagon. He can't accept the facts and resorts to this....

Readers can see he has dug a hole for himself as usual and is squirming around.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Ah yes, please broker the deal!

Even if Mugabe offered them half of Zimbabwe for a certain sum of money, they wouldn't take it though, would they? So it's a moot point.

They want Jerusalem, they want the lands they consider to be Israel. Due to religious and historical reasons.

But most of them have been living in Europe for a millennium. And clearly the other side isn't willing to give up what they consider to be their own lands either.

Is the regular state of war between Israel and Gaza something that both sides are willing to suffer for their cause? Yes. For how long? Maybe until the end of human civilization.

Israel is depending on tech and security to keep the balance of power, the Arabs are relying on demographics and money. The latter is the one that will get stronger over time.

 

[Mercenary]

Israel is the only country in the world which has occupied another people for nearly 50 years.

If Israel goes back to 1967 borders, dismantles its settlements and shares Jerusalem as a joint capital, then it all goes away.

Israel has become the pre-apartheid South Africa of today.