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The history of Quota System in Sindh revealed by Javed Choudary (Courtesy Express News)

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You should have decency to remain in thread and to defend what you claim to be true...

As far as my buddies...only one person I tagged, can be called my buddy and he is from Islamabad and I know him since I joined this forum....

Rest I don't much about.

If Sindhi waderas don't provide education to their people then how it is migrant's fault? Do enlighten us...
As a rule of thumb, Feudals will never want their people to be educated. If he gets educated who will be slave labor?

Those who defend these feudals directly or indirectly, will always find a way to blame someone else.

You can skim through PTI supporters content on PDF.

They all have racial superiority and contempt for the poor as highlighting traits.

With the tiger bahani scheme it is emulating RSS perfectly 100 years late.
Well over zealous political workers are usually a bit on the extreme.

Please don’t abuse our Sindhi brothers on instigation if one person. With time the hate certain people want to perpetually fester will disappear. Don’t play into their hands.
Very good point, everyone on this thread needs to take a serious note of.
 
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First thing first, there is no such thing as an "Interior Sindh." Second, I have my roots in what you insinuate as "Interior Sindh." Yes, we have wadera culture problem that is sucking the blood out of us. But at the same time, I seen middle class and lower-middle-class Sindhi youth break through the haves-not chains. I know many people from interior Sindh who have completed their PhDs from both local and foreign universities, and I can bet that their intellect far exceeds that of any Urdu speaking academic. I have seen Sindhi students fill up classes in a rundown school and run in hoards towards libraries to prepare for exams. What are you doing? Riding bikes, spitting pan, calling Karachi "Karanchi", burning down factories, extorting from small businesses, hoarding weapons, conniving with RAW, etc? You have a "quota" victimization excuse for not getting government jobs but what about the private jobs? Why are you losing ground there to Sindhis, Pashtoons, Punjabis, etc?

(I have written the above with a heavy heart as I have Urdu speaking friends who are very dear to me).

Yes there is region called Interior Sindh where all the Sindhi's live, and they don't let anyone else live there, Wadera Culture is the tip of the Ice burg, sindhi's in General are Dirty and uneducated cheating Bunch, Don't argue and just go to their Schools and colleges , most of the so called Intellectual sindhi pass their Primary and secondary even undergraduation from Interior Sindh Universities by using their Chache mammay influence or threat or money to teachers to pass and get selected in Karachi's various universities .

As for Karanchi its a dialect problem you Dumb A$$ , not a educational one .. Jeez I am arguing with a dummy, as for Pan peek and riding bikes , both are different issues , Spitting Pan is something all Pakistanis have in common , don't tell me that Sindhi , Pathan or Punjabi never spit Pan or Gutka lol , Pathans are famous for Naswar which you dont swallow but spit .. As for Burning down Factories , its again a Dumb logic that you and other RACISTS use for MQM and Urdu Speaking people, one is a RACE and other is a POLITICAL Party but as i said I am arguing with a emotional Dumb person , As for RAW , remind us who gave lists of Khalistani's to RAW ? Who talk about Breaking Pakistan after Bhutto death ? Who often talk about Marso Marso Sindh na deso ? Jaaag Punjabi Jaaag ? Who have Indian Employees in their Factories ? who talk about Pashtoonistan ? Who is to this date fighting Army for Independent Baluchistan ?

And you Stupid dimwit , Its not a Victimization it was a real Issue there was and still is quota System which marginalized Muhajir and Urdu speaking people , No one is losing ground anywhere , it is the truth that Urdu speaking people were kept away from govt jobs, to get a Job in a Sindh govt you have to just speak Sindhi , and that's it , nothing else matter, all that merit BS comes only for non Sindhi , Don't believe me go on ground and see how many Urdu speaking people working in Govt Offices . As for Private where your whole Sindhi Wadera and Dhamki's don't work , that is where civilized people like us ( urdu speaking ) fills the gap cause your kind remain in Interior to be farmers and slaves of the Wadera you are so trying hard to defend . The only reason people like you hate us is because when our forefathers came to Pakistan you were rich and settled, you give us land which you deemed unworthy and later we created that city into a metropolitan city which attracts business etc, we created a educated class society which you uneducated Wadera and cheaters wants a piece of it without giving a shit about the city ,if your Sindhi's were so damn educated and classy why not develop the other cities of Sindh ? have you seen Sakkar , Larkana ? even Moin jo Daro streets look better hahaha

Oh Please don't play that stupid card that oh , I feel bad after writing a shit load of Insults and stereotypes about a certain race that I have friends from Urdu speaking community, LOL its like a Red neck often use N word and when confronted, they reply but we have Black friends .. Go develop your own Interior Sindh first, give people their due rights, treat poor farmers as human beings, give their CNIC cards back , stop the murders in the name of Karo Kari , stop marrying your Daughters and sisters to Quran to grab their share of property , than we will talk .
 
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During Musharraf era MQM had best chance to end quota system. But they didn't bother, on many occasion this question been raised. But MQM didn't even moved the bill from treasury benches and they had full backup and votes to end quota system.
 
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3 years Old video but so true...

We Urdu Speaking people were pushed into corner by these Sindhi Waderas...

No wonder MQM was born because of it.

F**K this Quota System. Sindhi feudals still unable to lift their own people but try their best to stop Urdu speakers advance.


With every passing moment, my anger for these sindhi wadairas increases phenomenally. This is suppose to be Pakistan, not sindhistan, not punjabistan, not pukhtunistan and certainly not baluchistan. The basis for the creation of Pakistan is ISLAM. Not sindi entitlement or anything else.

I wish the Pakistani Muslims could unite and carry out systematic extermination of these wadairas, mafias and so on!!
 
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Karachhi needs to be made into a separate province. It was a federal territory till Ayubs time. That needs to be reinstated.
Very valid point!

When Karachi was a Federal Territory, how exactly did the urdu speakers encroach upon Sindh, when it was not even part of Sindh to begin with?

It was later assimilated into Sindh.

Someone needs to inform our resident bigot, he missed this by a mile!

Instead of a Province I would rather like to see it as a Federal Territory again. Kick out all these political parties, and focus on resolving issues.
 
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The history is littered with poor leadership.. and Ayub Khan is directly responsible along with racist Brown-sahib bureaucrats(of which Urdu-speakers were a majority of) and feudalism (of which Punjabis hold majority of) who led to the marginalization of Bengalis beyond repair.
this is what what people need to understand .... anyone who has read the history of initial days of Pakistan can very well understand that the our political system start rotting when our bureaucracy formed an alliance with Feaduals after the death of Quaid and succeed to get Ghulam Muhammad appoint as 3rd Governor General of Pakistan, later this alliance was joined by Military by when Ayub became Army Chief ....


Most of our Political, Social and Economic problems have their roots in that era .... it was the era in which Pakistan became an State for the Elite not the State for the Common People and till todate this model is followed and practiced as faith, but the idiocy of our people is such that they could blame it to one ethnicity or the other ....
 
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Yes there is region called Interior Sindh where all the Sindhi's live, and they don't let anyone else live there, Wadera Culture is the tip of the Ice burg, sindhi's in General are Dirty and uneducated cheating Bunch, Don't argue and just go to their Schools and colleges , most of the so called Intellectual sindhi pass their Primary and secondary even undergraduation from Interior Sindh Universities by using their Chache mammay influence or threat or money to teachers to pass and get selected in Karachi's various universities .

As for Karanchi its a dialect problem you Dumb A$$ , not a educational one .. Jeez I am arguing with a dummy, as for Pan peek and riding bikes , both are different issues , Spitting Pan is something all Pakistanis have in common , don't tell me that Sindhi , Pathan or Punjabi never spit Pan or Gutka lol , Pathans are famous for Naswar which you dont swallow but spit .. As for Burning down Factories , its again a Dumb logic that you and other RACISTS use for MQM and Urdu Speaking people, one is a RACE and other is a POLITICAL Party but as i said I am arguing with a emotional Dumb person , As for RAW , remind us who gave lists of Khalistani's to RAW ? Who talk about Breaking Pakistan after Bhutto death ? Who often talk about Marso Marso Sindh na deso ? Jaaag Punjabi Jaaag ? Who have Indian Employees in their Factories ? who talk about Pashtoonistan ? Who is to this date fighting Army for Independent Baluchistan ?

And you Stupid dimwit , Its not a Victimization it was a real Issue there was and still is quota System which marginalized Muhajir and Urdu speaking people , No one is losing ground anywhere , it is the truth that Urdu speaking people were kept away from govt jobs, to get a Job in a Sindh govt you have to just speak Sindhi , and that's it , nothing else matter, all that merit BS comes only for non Sindhi , Don't believe me go on ground and see how many Urdu speaking people working in Govt Offices . As for Private where your whole Sindhi Wadera and Dhamki's don't work , that is where civilized people like us ( urdu speaking ) fills the gap cause your kind remain in Interior to be farmers and slaves of the Wadera you are so trying hard to defend . The only reason people like you hate us is because when our forefathers came to Pakistan you were rich and settled, you give us land which you deemed unworthy and later we created that city into a metropolitan city which attracts business etc, we created a educated class society which you uneducated Wadera and cheaters wants a piece of it without giving a shit about the city ,if your Sindhi's were so damn educated and classy why not develop the other cities of Sindh ? have you seen Sakkar , Larkana ? even Moin jo Daro streets look better hahaha

Oh Please don't play that stupid card that oh , I feel bad after writing a shit load of Insults and stereotypes about a certain race that I have friends from Urdu speaking community, LOL its like a Red neck often use N word and when confronted, they reply but we have Black friends .. Go develop your own Interior Sindh first, give people their due rights, treat poor farmers as human beings, give their CNIC cards back , stop the murders in the name of Karo Kari , stop marrying your Daughters and sisters to Quran to grab their share of property , than we will talk .

Civility, right here people.
 
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Civility, right here people.

And your post was filled with love ? Aby kuch Sharam ker le Begairat hahahah

During Musharraf era MQM had best chance to end quota system. But they didn't bother, on many occasion this question been raised. But MQM didn't even moved the bill from treasury benches and they had full backup and votes to end quota system.

If they solve it, than they will lose their Political card ... MQM are idiots anyway.
 
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And that the issue is cyclic. I condoning or not caring for a hari or other victims of discrimination in Pakistan ultimately fuels and supports the same corrupt system that comes back to bite me in discriminations directed towards me. If we want any better then it has to be uprooted completely and utterly across the spectrum in its entirety, half measures will not be sufficient.
it is because of lack of education which any any feudal society oppose as education of masses force the society to open-up which the feudals don't want as in close society where ignorance due to lack of education and least exposure to outside world so that they can rule on the basis of fear and hatred ..... you can clearly see this in interior Sindh and Balochistan ..... just for sake of example

just try to list Premier Education Institutes from these provinces .... ???

how many could you even list .... ???

What do you think why Feudals of Sindh and Sardars of Balochistan oppose inward or outward migrations .... ???

Karachi is filled with the sons of Sindhi bureaucrats and landlords, all foreign educated. Why don't they make the effort to better their people,
because it against their interest ..... just think it yourself now they are ruling over those common poor Sindhis unquestioned why would they give them equal status so that one day lose their premiership in that social structure .... ???
 
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it is because of lack of education which any any feudal society oppose as education of masses force the society to open-up which the feudals don't want as in close society where ignorance due to lack of education and least exposure to outside world so that they can rule on the basis of fear and hatred ..... you can clearly see this in interior Sindh and Balochistan ..... just for sake of example

just try to list Premier Education Institutes from these provinces .... ???

how many could you even list .... ???

What do you think why Feudals of Sindh and Sardars of Balochistan oppose inward or outward migrations .... ???

How is South Punjab and other provinces any different?

Stop picking on Sindh alone.

There is enough despair already in that province with people failing to make sense of it all drawing closer to atheism and suicides are on the rise.

#SabSaathSaathJayenge
 
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How is South Punjab and other provinces any different?

Stop picking on Sindh alone.

There is enough despair already in that province with people failing to make sense of it all drawing closer to atheism and suicides are on the rise.

#SabSaathSaathJayenge
bhai example of Interior Sindh and Balochistan was given to keep the scop limited otherwise we know this issue exist in many parts of Pakistan not just in South Punjab ....
 
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bhai example of Interior Sindh and Balochistan was given to keep the scop limited otherwise we know this issue exist in many parts of Pakistan not just in South Punjab ....

Its a governance issue not a constitutional puzzle.
 
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I thoroughly dispute this and this is racist as well. Sindhis have a long educated and cultured history as well, they embraced Pakistan more than other provinces. Some of the earliest proponents of Pakistan had their roots in Sindh.. so we cannot call one narrative racist while condoning another racist view.

Urdu- speakers have a deep rooted racism in their creed as well and have had their aristocratic origins stuck into their heads.
Being a karachiite & having Ben exposed to both Urdu & Sindhi communities at length, I can safely say this post is absolutely bang on target!
See... A good, educated, neutral mijd can talk such sense into a person. Delighted @Socra thanks alot. Peace.
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