The Great purge within Pakistan and Pakistan Army by Bajwa and Co

[alphapak]

this post deserves to be marked as a the most stupid and funny post of the year.


and people thought the patwaris were brainless morons.
sadly some PTI fans are setting new records in embarrassing stupidity and there are still 4 days to go till this year ends.

Stupid are those people facing bullets for PDM and corrupt Generals.
Would Bajwa, Asim Munir. Nawaz, Shahbaz, Zardari or Fazloo send their sons to fight
against TTP? No they are sat in top cushy jobs, idi@ts can go and face bullets of TTP.

 

[blain2]

For those of you in the army what the recourse is there for an officer when an Illegal order is given? Something that violates the constitution or is haram like shooting/raping women and children? Killing an innocent patriotic journalist? Trying to kill a former PM? I assume one would report this above the immediate CO? But if the order comes right from the COAS, other than resignation what course would this person have? And would that resignation lead to a court martial?

What "Illegal" order has been given to the officers for them to resign? Care to expand on that? You can be a conscientious objector (something like your religious belief does not allow you to carry on your duties/mission etc.) and want to opt out but there has to be a strong case for it. It is fauj ki naukri, not a corporate where you can resign and walk away the next day.

It would be one thing if an individual officer is given direct orders to do something unconstitutional and they disagree with it and offer resigning their commission. That patently is not the case with 50, 200 or 5000 officers as it is being quoted here.

Also, what order has come from the CoAS? Care to elaborate here and also to how many officers? I can guarantee that no orders pertaining to the politics of the country are being passed on to the rank and file of the army. The professional arms and their officers carry on doing what they have been doing all along. I have seen this happen first hand where even in the martial law days, a certain set of officers are assigned martial law duties and most aren't.

It would be outright selfish and wrong for someone like Maj Adil Raja, for the sake of his party politics, to continue to misinform the nation and sow confusion claiming baseless things. Nobody in the army will put their careers on the line to feed Maj Raja his weekly gossip. There is a lot of conversations being done with retired personnel and then being presented as the situation inside of the army.

This is not to say that there isn't support for IK inside of the army, all along the army has had various political leanings amongst its cadres but the officer corps also understands that it is the option of last resort for Pakistan and any internal division is hazardous to the survival of the entire country. This is where the officers realize that good military order and discipline has to be ensured over their political preferences.
This may seems like a net negative to the PTI base but this good for Pakistan's future. You have your political gripes today, tomorrow it may be another party. What you don't want to see is Pakistan becoming a Libya or Afghanistan with the military becoming divided. Anyone who wants this is screwed in the head and not a well-wisher of Pakistan.

 

[blain2]

Stupid are those people facing bullets for PDM and corrupt Generals.
Would Bajwa, Asim Munir. Nawaz, Shahbaz, Zardari or Fazloo send their sons to fight
against TTP? No they are sat in top cushy jobs, idi@ts can go and face bullets of TTP.

Nobody joins the army for a political party, whether its PDM or any other.

People join the military because it is a passion or for some it is the only profession of choice. Those that go on missions and do their duty aren't thinking politically. Actually in their minds all of the leaders, collectively, can go to hell as all they care about is the chap next to them and coming out alive (or perhaps making the ultimate sacrifice). That is it!

Many of the young officers who have lost their lives against TTP are wards of the military officers or 2nd or 3rd generation officers themselves. So army families are sacrificing their own sons. I have family members serving (3rd generation now) and like many others, my nephews don't give a hoot about any of the politicians. They joined the army because they were attracted to this lifestyle and serving the country (as cliched as it sounds).

Some senior military leaders have their wards in uniform as well but ours isn't the only country where politicians don't send their children to serve in the military. It happens all over. Just like we have multi-generation of soldiers, pols have their progeny follow in their footsteps to do politics.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Stupid are those people facing bullets for PDM and corrupt Generals.
Would Bajwa, Asim Munir. Nawaz, Shahbaz, Zardari or Fazloo send their sons to fight
against TTP? No they are sat in top cushy jobs, idi@ts can go and face bullets of TTP.

do you know the name of that innocent bystander that was shot dead by Imran Khan's bodyguards at Wazirabad rally? I have tried to find out his name or any news of remorse or compensation by PTI leadership but I havent seen any news PTI leaders visiting that innocent nameless person killed in that shooting.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

What you don't want to see is Pakistan becoming a Libya

Libya has a higher HDI and more development than Pakistan.

So any Pakistani that wishes Pakistan to be like Libya is an actual well wisher for Pakistan!

 

[alphapak]

do you know the name of that innocent bystander that was shot dead by Imran Khan's bodyguards at Wazirabad rally? I have tried to find out his name or any news of remorse or compensation by PTI leadership but I havent seen any news PTI leaders visiting that innocent nameless person killed in that shooting.

Who sent them 2 shooters to kill IK? they took the life of an innocent, any updates on who killed
Arshad Sharif? Whats happening with Arshads mothers FIR?

IK wanted to register against Shabaz, Kala Rana and dirty harry, did it get anywhere?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Who sent them 2 shooters to kill IK? they took the life of an innocent, any updates on who killed
Arshad Sharif? Whats happening with Arshads mothers FIR?

IK wanted to register against Shabaz, Kala Rana and dirty harry, did it get anywhere?

whataboutism.

so you don't know the man shot dead for REAL in front of Imran Khan.

as for Arshad Sharif, may his soul rest in peace. it was shocking to see an innocents person with promising life wasted so brutally.
may his killers and their planners get found out soon and suffer worse punishment.

 

[alphapak]

whataboutism.

so you don't know the man shot dead for REAL in front of Imran Khan.

as for Arshad Sharif, may his soul rest in peace. it was shocking to see an innocents person with promising life wasted so brutally.
may his killers and their planners get found out soon and suffer worse punishment.

How am I supposed to know, I am sat in the UK and I am not a member of PTI.
You need to locate a local PTI member from Wazirabad and ask them.

 

[Goenitz]

whataboutism.

so you don't know the man shot dead for REAL in front of Imran Khan.

as for Arshad Sharif, may his soul rest in peace. it was shocking to see an innocents person with promising life wasted so brutally.
may his killers and their planners get found out soon and suffer worse punishment.

It is believed the other assassins shot that man accidentally while trying to shoot the pistol-bearing one when getting caught. Anyway, the fallen mother met IK and received, I guess 10 million. You can watch the next day's video.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

It is believed the other assassins shot that man accidentally while trying to shoot the pistol-bearing one when getting caught. Anyway, the fallen mother met IK and received, I guess 10 million. You can watch the next day's video.

it is alleged he was shot by the guards from the top of that platform where Imran was. there was no other assailant as far as I know.

 

[Goenitz]

it is alleged he was shot by the guards from the top of that platform where Imran was. there was no other assailant as far as I know.

Two narratives. Let's see what comes out of the investigation, if there will be any. Then, its credibility will be questioned too. Anyway, who cares for the public? Sahiwal, Achakzai, Model Town, Cardiac Center Lahore, etc., people died while being filmed, but no arrest, no case, nothing.

 

[blain2]

Libya has a higher HDI and more development than Pakistan.

So any Pakistani that wishes Pakistan to be like Libya is an actual well wisher for Pakistan!

Yes great, thanks to their oil production! Pakistan has none of that, all we have is our nationhood. For godsake learn to rationalize things carefully instead of these knee-jerk responses. Libya, despite its oil wealth is struggling with division and despair and the Libyan people are all the worse for it. The star of Middle East in terms of social development, gender equality, education, healthcare is struggling due to internal divisions with external countries playing their favorites. Do you really want this to to happen to Pakistan just because IK is not the sitting PM of our country currently? How shortsighted can you be?

I honestly think that the PTI crowd has gone off the rocker with this "burn it all down" mentality. While your party was ruling the roost, PML/PPP could have started the same "burn it all down" agitation and you would have gone after them like rabid dogs calling them traitors (which PTI's leadership did quite a few times while snugly sitting in the safety of establishment's protection). These are the facts of the recent past.

I say this with all sincerity that I prefer PTI over PDM, but I cannot support anarchist tendencies mixed in with fascism to be the future of Pakistan. I am all for elections whether slightly early or on time so the mandate of the people can be realized. But in-between now and then, don't destroy the very fabric of our nation over your party politics. Pakistan's economy will survive till elections. Pakistan will manage the terrorist threat and Pakistan will manage its relations with Afghanistan, you don't need PTI as the savior there. The issue is, once PTI is back in the office, how will it accelerate Pakistan's recovery? These are the things to ponder over instead of being shortsighted and only gunning for the "gaddi" (seat of power).

 

[blain2]

So you are admitting that Army interfered in Politics, they have broken their oath and should
be tried for treason.



Not cowards, why should they fight for PDM and corrupt Generals. I call those people that
have resigned smart.

Who am I to say that army interfered in the politics? Did the former CoAS himself not admit to it? Who were the beneficiaries of that interference? Why did they not bring up charges against the then sitting CoAS for this so called "breaking of oath"?

Also, it would help to understand the meaning of "treason". Involvement in politics does not always mean "treason". After all, Article 245 specifically allows the military to be involved in affairs that are the domain of the civil government and where the military can be used to put down political dissent under the pretext to threat to national security. 18th Amendment has essentially ensured that no future military leader can take over the reigns of power without committing the offense of treason. So you have this safeguard in place for the future. Now, one would hope that no politician asks the military for favors in engineering a government. It is not the job of a BPS-21 officer to do this. PTI should understand that even if they feel shortchanged by the VoNC, you cannot right a wrong by committing another wrong (ala asking for the establishment to step in their favor and call for early elections).

Not cowards, why should they fight for PDM and corrupt Generals. I call those people that
have resigned smart.

Yes, "you" call them that. You are free to call them anything. Alahamdolillah, these people know what they are responsible for and that their loyalty is to the State of Pakistan and not to any political party. Nothing could be better than this for the future of Pakistan. I can only hope that the army remains apolitical in the future. No favors to any pols, no interference in the government etc.

 

[ghazi52]

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[SQ8]

Yes great, thanks to their oil production! Pakistan has none of that, all we have is our nationhood. For godsake learn to rationalize things carefully instead of these knee-jerk responses. Libya, despite its oil wealth is struggling with division and despair and the Libyan people are all the worse for it. The star of Middle East in terms of social development, gender equality, education, healthcare is struggling due to internal divisions with external countries playing their favorites. Do you really want this to to happen to Pakistan just because IK is not the sitting PM of our country currently? How shortsighted can you be?

I honestly think that the PTI crowd has gone off the rocker with this "burn it all down" mentality. While your party was ruling the roost, PML/PPP could have started the same "burn it all down" agitation and you would have gone after them like rabid dogs calling them traitors (which PTI's leadership did quite a few times while snugly sitting in the safety of establishment's protection). These are the facts of the recent past.

I say this with all sincerity that I prefer PTI over PDM, but I cannot support anarchist tendencies mixed in with fascism to be the future of Pakistan. I am all for elections whether slightly early or on time so the mandate of the people can be realized. But in-between now and then, don't destroy the very fabric of our nation over your party politics. Pakistan's economy will survive till elections. Pakistan will manage the terrorist threat and Pakistan will manage its relations with Afghanistan, you don't need PTI as the savior there. The issue is, once PTI is back in the office, how will it accelerate Pakistan's recovery? These are the things to ponder over instead of being shortsighted and only gunning for the "gaddi" (seat of power).

But is it so bad to burn it all down?
Libya is a hard use case but it is not like Gaddafi’s military had left much to hold control after he went.

The state has failed for all intents and purposes and is essentially hold by spiderwebs. PTI rapid supporters aside there are so many “active” breakaway sentiments at this point with little to no cohesion on those wanting Pakistan to remain as it is.

If you take the elite out who frankly already have golden bridges out, the poor who have demonstrated over the centuries that they don’t care who rules over them as long as there is a ruler - what is left is the literate/educated middle class who either are trying to escape or are simply so apathetic to the situation because of pure survival that they don’t care if it’s Pakistan anymore. This core infrastructure running class is so disenfranchised right now that would welcome an invasion if it meant a better lifestyle.

Unfortunately, with PTI came IK who has turned out to be less of a leader and more of a drunk philosopher as time goes by. If the alternative to him is the same corruption feeding class or another Musharraf dancing drunk then frankly - let the house burn down.