The Giants of Asia (China & India) Strive for Closer Ties

[PatriotLover]

Remember that Pakistan actually took India's side AGAINST China back then

And I see China returning the favor to us.

 

[Shark2]

Modern day China is made by the Mongols.Expansionism is also inherited from their former masters and embedded in their blood. I think ancient China is fine，they never invaded no one，but modern day China is not to be trusted，unless they completely abandon their Mongol heritage.

India should never give up on AP

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[definitelynotIndian]

The thing is, even if the offer was made again today, we might not take it ourselves.

There is a worry that if the border dispute between China and India is solved, that may give India some breathing room, allowing them to start applying pressure in Tibet again like in 1959. After all, they still host the Tibetan Government in Exile today.

Imagine if it was us who held the "Kashmir Government in Exile" in China? Wouldn't that worry you guys? Or the Manipur Government in Exile, etc. Seems very risky to have a competing government like that, right next door.

India already recognizes Tibet as part of China. Your point does not hold.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

India already recognizes Tibet as part of China. Your point does not hold.

Recognizing Tibet as a part of China didn't stop you from hosting the Tibetan Government in Exile (our largest separatist group), immediately after their failed violent uprising in 1959.

Imagine we hosted the Manipur Government in Exile or the Nagaland Government in Exile, isn't that ridiculous? How can you host a competing Government?

Technically you recognize it but your actions speak the opposite.

 

[Jackdaws]

It is nice if we work together as civilizations. Taiwan is part of the Chinese civilization even if they have differences. High time Pakistan and Bangladesh too see themselves as a part of the greater Indic civilization and joins hands.

Recognizing Tibet as a part of China didn't stop you from hosting the Tibetan Government in Exile (our largest separatist group), immediately after their failed violent uprising in 1959.

Imagine we hosted the Manipur Government in Exile or the Nagaland Government in Exile, isn't that ridiculous? How can you host a competing Government?

Technically you recognize it but your actions speak the opposite.

There is a historical link. What exactly does the Tibetan Government in Exile do? Doesn't even the Government in Taiwan consider itself a Government in Exile of all of China? The Azad Hind Government was based in Burma in WW-2. And even the East Turkeistan Government in Exile in based in the US even though Xinjiang is recognized as part of China. Why don't you take it up with the Americans?

 

[unbiasedopinion]

@Chinese-Dragon Why i have a feeling that you are finding one way or other not to move ahead with India any ways. If your Premier Xi commits something on International forum, will you feel good if his intentions were questioned.

BTW Can UK now comes back to you and says Hong Kong is no longer your part and we want to take it back? (please dont consider this as a troll, i need answer to prove a point)

Your concerns are hypothetical and just mere sign of unrest because either you don't want India China trust deficit to remove or you are too much apprehensive, which I believe is slightly overreaction.

You also mentioned in one of the post, that ancient India was ok as compared to modern India. Can you tell me which era of India you are talking about?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

It is nice if we work together as civilizations. Taiwan is part of the Chinese civilization even if they have differences. High time Pakistan and Bangladesh too see themselves as a part of the greater Indic civilization and joins hands.



There is a historical link. What exactly does the Tibetan Government in Exile do? Doesn't even the Government in Taiwan consider itself a Government in Exile of all of China? The Azad Hind Government was based in Burma in WW-2. And even the East Turkeistan Government in Exile in based in the US even though Xinjiang is recognized as part of China. Why don't you take it up with the Americans?

Because India actually borders Tibet and it is the subject of an active territorial dispute.

We hardly get along with America (obviously), but we don't have an active territorial dispute with them. Nor do they have any borders with us.

@Chinese-Dragon You also mentioned in one of the post, that ancient India was ok as compared to modern India. Can you tell me which era of India you are talking about?

I never said anything about ancient or modern India on this thread?

 

[Shotgunner51]

The Giants of Asia Strive for Closer Ties | RealClearWorld

A few years back, we had the least known leader for a century, the ultimate committee man, in charge in China, a bright but exhausted economist, wearied by political infighting, as prime minister in India, and machine politicians succeeding each other after brief terms in Japan.

Now those countries - the most powerful in the world except for the US, though Russia and Germany might stake claims - are led by giants: Xi Jinping, Narendra Modi, and Shinzo Abe.

Each charismatic, purposeful, and dominant within his own country. Can they work out a way not only to avoid bumping into each other dangerously, but to co-exist and even prosper together? The signs are cautiously promising, but the winds that blow across Asia can always change direction suddenly.

A few days ago we saw Abe stride across America, asking of it a vision for a re-energised role in Asia, the world's largest and most important continent, in a manner that demanded a positive response of the type that the US polity appears no longer capable of providing.

The pathetic attempt by Barack Obama and his Secretary of State, the incomparably incompetent John Kerry, to attract a caucus of Arab leaders to the US to discuss the American embrace of Iran makes for a sorry comparison. Today Modi arrives in Beijing for a three-day visit, his first since becoming Prime Minister a year ago.

Security experts and economists on each side have been billing this encounter with the all-powerful Xi as the latest round in a growing geopolitical contest.

India under Modi has intensified connections with the US, built military co-operation with Vietnam - involved in a bitter maritime dispute with China - and enjoys a special relationship with Abe, as Japan Inc launches a new investment wave into Asia.

In advance of the visit, Chinese media have complained about Modi visiting the disputed border region of Arunachal Pradesh.

Hu Zhiyong of the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences wrote in the Global Times that "due to the Indian elites' blind arrogance and confidence in their democracy, and the inferiority of its ordinary people" - an unhappy phrase - "very few Indians are able to treat Sino-Indian relations accurately, objectively and rationally".

He also told the Indian government to "stop supporting the Dalai Lama," who of course lives there. Modi recently obliged, cancelling a meeting scheduled between the Dalai Lama and Amit Shah, president of the Bharatiya Janata Party he leads.

The Indian side has expressed its own concerns about China's extraordinary $50 billion investment in an economic corridor through Pakistan, giving it land access to the port of Gwadar - because the corridor includes disputed territory in Pakistani Kashmir. Modi has moved swiftly to intensify relations with other countries that China has long courted, such as Iran, Afghanistan, Nepal, and now Sri Lanka, and Indian Ocean nations Mauritius and the Seychelles.

But the benefits of co-operation can also be immense, given the deep continuing developmental needs of both countries - though with China still well in the lead.

Modi, for instance, signed up India as a founder of China's Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, while Beijing has held out the prospect of a "strategic co-operative partnership". China is escorting India into APEC membership, and leading the construction of new transport links between the countries.

The prospects for improvement are obvious. Total trade between these most populous countries in the world, is only half that between China and Australia.

GavekalDragonomics analyst Tom Miller says this economic potential will only be fulfilled once security concerns no longer overshadow the relationship, and doubts that their "huge trust deficit" can be plugged.

But that's where the vision and authority of these three considerable leaders comes in. Their challenge is to retain their domestic support not only in spite of international deals that bring the three countries closer, but through doing them.

The critical challenge for Asian stability would be the uncertainty of bilateral relationship between China and Japan, both being heavily industrialized and trade/financial powerhouses, and being 2nd and 3rd largest economies of the world. Despite huge bilateral trade, as strategic competitors the two are actively designing their own game plans in countering the other's influence. China is pursuing an Eurasian integration strategy (e.g. One Belt One Road, AIIB), while Japan is riding on convenience of "Pivot to Asia" (e.g. TPP), competing for influence in an already-splintered rest-of-Asia:

• On Korean peninsula, both are competing for SK (the 5th industrialized powerhouse of the world), NK is hostile to Japan.
  
• In ASEAN, a 2.5 trillion GDP and fast industrializing region, both are competing fiercely for influence in all 8 countries (other than Vietnam and Philippines, the two are hostile to China hence close to Japan)
• In resources-rich Central Asia, China has longer influence on the stans or SCO countries, though Japanese influence is also increasing.
• In resources-rich Australia/Pacific, both are competing for influence like on the Korean peninsula, China using trade & FDI, Japan using tech (ToT) and political alliance.
• In less developed South Asia, competition between China and Japan is not that fierce. Pakistan is a long-time Chinese ally, SL is economically close to China as well. India is hostile to China and close to Japan. The two only compete for projects in Bangladesh.
• In MENA countries, both are competing for influence however some countries are hostile to the West hence Japan is affected.

 

[definitelynotIndian]

Recognizing Tibet as a part of China didn't stop you from hosting the Tibetan Government in Exile (our largest separatist group), immediately after their failed violent uprising in 1959.

Imagine we hosted the Manipur Government in Exile or the Nagaland Government in Exile, isn't that ridiculous? How can you host a competing Government?

Technically you recognize it but your actions speak the opposite.

It was Nehru who did that. We dont have anything to do with him or his ideologies(congress) anymore.

 

[scorpionx]

It was Nehru who did that. We dont have anything to do with him or his ideologies(congress) anymore.

That is not true. Narendra Modi invited the Tibetan Prime Minister in exile in his oath taking ceremony.

Modi invite to PM-in-exile thrills Tibetans - The Times of India

 

[unbiasedopinion]

I never said anything about ancient or modern India on this thread?

My bad, it was some other poster..But I asked couple of other questions too. Do you have a reply for that?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

It was Nehru who did that. We dont have anything to do with him or his ideologies(congress) anymore.

What happens if AAP comes to power like they did in Delhi? Aren't they just as bad as Congress?

@Chinese-Dragon Why i have a feeling that you are finding one way or other not to move ahead with India any ways. If your Premier Xi commits something on International forum, will you feel good if his intentions were questioned.

BTW Can UK now comes back to you and says Hong Kong is no longer your part and we want to take it back? (please dont consider this as a troll, i need answer to prove a point)

Your concerns are hypothetical and just mere sign of unrest because either you don't want India China trust deficit to remove or you are too much apprehensive, which I believe is slightly overreaction.

I do want a deal, since we have higher priorities elsewhere.

But I've heard this hype of a "border solution" so many times before, and in the end it's always back to business as usual.

One or both of the parties don't want it, that's why it never happens.

 

[scorpionx]

What happens if AAP comes to power like they did in Delhi? Aren't they just as bad as Congress?

I have a question. If India declares the Tibetan Govt. in exile an illegal one and hands over Dalai Lama to China, would the Chinese change their stand on Kashmir?

 

[definitelynotIndian]

What happens if AAP comes to power like they did in Delhi? Aren't they just as bad as Congress?



I do want a deal, since we have higher priorities elsewhere.

But I've heard this hype of a "border solution" so many times before, and in the end it's always back to business as usual.

One or both of the parties don't want it, that's why it never happens.

AAP is worse than congress. They are a plague to the nation. I would rather have Rahul Gandhi over Kejriwal.

 

[duhastmish]

India must kick Dalai Lama out. He is of no use for india. They don't favour india or thank india.

Why make a enemy as china for such thankless people. Above all india must not give home to such anti govt. exile.