The future of the Pakistani Diaspora and cultural and political links with the motherland

[Yankee-stani]

The saddest thing is that we can't see any change for the better on the horizon. The people have to change their thinking for things to get better, sadly it's not happening any time soon.

That's the exact question I think all of us are asking many of us send money back many of us root for our country but all we see is stagnation

 

[cocomo]

2-3 generations down the line Pakistani culture will be alien to them. Usually people who have immediate relatives living in Pakistan keep coming back and bringing their kids back. In my view the major factor will be cultural difference. Just like other communities who keep some part of their culture/identity intact like blacks while also assimilating, they don't have deep links back home. Pakistanis won't be different. Just look at other communities around you that will be the fate of all communities, Pakistanis are not special. I would rather like to see what sort of a culture the Pakistanis morph into. I think Muslim community at large will form a unified culture informed by Islam and the native culture.

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistani Diaspora has at least 2-3 or if in some cases 4 generations of people living abroad Pakistan as a state has existed for close to 70 plus years however culturally,socially,economic and political wise we have been stagnant our disapora enjoys many success and failures as time and assimilation seeps in the diaspora mainly in the Anglosphere(US,Canada,Australia,NZ) and etc do you think future generations of Pakistanis will maintain links with their motherland or will it wither away due to the stagnant position Pakistan faces

Nobody has till date charted out the migratory pattern of people coming out of Pakistan in detail.

Although till upto War on Terror, the migrant stream was way different than what it is now.

You can thank PPP and Musharraf who asked Pakistanis to leave seeking pastures anew in midst of war on terror.

Furthermore, Pakistan has a protective shield from diaspora returning to bring Liberian form of revolution by returning people.

So in the end it is an individualistic issue as State of Pakistan does not even bother checking up with the diaspora.

 

[cocomo]

This video shows the growing dis-interest succeeding generations will have.

 

[El Sidd]

This video shows the growing dis-interest succeeding generations will have.

the amount of money this guy is talking about. its only possible through a money laundering scam.

 

[cocomo]

the amount of money this guy is talking about. its only possible through a money laundering scam.

Quite possible. Some thoughtful expats fund schools and hospitals and such. These lot have wasted their hard-earned money, these buildings will rot.

 

[El Sidd]

Quite possible. Some thoughtful expats fund schools and hospitals and such. These lot have wasted their hard-earned money, these buildings will rot.

No it won't rot.

To date Pakistan is the only country where these people will find a rate of return only thought of in tales of Shangri La.

 

[cocomo]

No it won't rot.

To date Pakistan is the only country where these people will find a rate of return only thought of in tales of Shangri La.

They don't need to sell it, and their kids don't want it. Any ways my point was these hollow buildings are vestiges of their links to Pakistan. The hard truth is if you like (to preserve) your culture, you will have to live within it. You can't have it just in your cocoons surrounded by another more dominant antagonistic culture. Such sort of setting develops split personalities, peoples living two lives which I reckon is quite uncomfortable. I think such people would rather have their family pressure subside so they can live like a proper badman \/\/ .

 

[Rusty]

The saddest thing is that we can't see any change for the better on the horizon. The people have to change their thinking for things to get better, sadly it's not happening any time soon.

I have a little story.

In the middle of the 1800s A US warship went to Japan, shot up the place and made the Japanese realize they were helpless against the west.

Around the same time, a French ship did the exact same thing in Korea.

Japan reacted by getting rid of the old system and modernized.

Korea celebrated that the "western barbarians" went home and went to business as usual.

100 years later Japan was a world power and Korea was a colony.

The difference
In Japan the conservatives were defeated (in a civil war) and new ideas were allowed to take hold.
In Korea the conservatives won and kept Korea stagnant until they become a colony.

Point being, we need to defeat "conservatism" as that is single handedly keeping Pakistan backwards.

Heck, I have heard "conservatives" say it's anti Islamic to oppose feudal lords.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[El Sidd]

They don't need to sell it, and their kids don't want it. Any ways my point was these hollow buildings are vestiges of their links to Pakistan. The hard truth is if you like (to preserve) your culture, you will have to live within it. You can't have it just in your cocoons surrounded by another more dominant antagonistic culture. Such sort of setting develops split personalities, peoples living two lives which I reckon is quite uncomfortable. I think such people would rather have their family pressure subside so they can live like a proper badman \/\/ .

there will always be some sort of link back home for the people.

there are Belgians, Germans and Brits who return each day to their birth places in Africa. sometimes the call from the soil is enough to forget the experiences of the past.

culture is never stagnant. what you call as preservation may very well be just a stubborn habit. and split personalities are more of a problem i guess in Pakistan where the suffocation of living up to 'traditional' values chokes away life and creativity.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I have a little story.

In the middle of the 1800s A US warship went to Japan, shot up the place and made the Japanese realize they were helpless against the west.

Around the same time, a French ship did the exact same thing in Korea.

Japan reacted by getting rid of the old system and modernized.

Korea celebrated that the "western barbarians" went home and went to business as usual.

100 years later Japan was a world power and Korea was a colony.

The difference
In Japan the conservatives were defeated (in a civil war) and new ideas were allowed to take hold.
In Korea the conservatives won and kept Korea stagnant until they become a colony.

Point being, we need to defeat "conservatism" as that is single handedly keeping Pakistan backwards.

Heck, I have heard "conservatives" say it's anti Islamic to oppose feudal lords.

Just my 2 cents.

I think we are in a cusp of this as Atlantism falls the new Eurasian order we are being forced in will force Pakistanis to open up whether they like it or not if we dont evolve and move on we will die

 

[cocomo]

the call from the soil is enough to forget the experiences of the past.

The soil isn't Pakistan brother it's Britain where I was born, the supposed 'Pakistani' would say. There are no experiences of a far-away eastern exotic culture of my forefathers.

split personalities are more of a problem i guess in Pakistan where the suffocation of living up to 'traditional' values chokes away life and creativity

These split personality are sometimes antagonistic to each other causing an identity crisis. You aren't able to form an identity, you keep playing this game outside you are some hip thing inside you are a namazi, each with different social circles. These sort of split personalities aren't a blessing they take toll on you. Why waste your time with this, you are what you are.

 

[SHAH BAAZ]

When did you immigrate

When I was 4 years old.

 

[El Sidd]

The soil isn't Pakistan brother it's Britain where I was born.

When you will grow old, you will miss the streets of London or the Welsh countryside more than anything.

Why waste your time with this, you are what you are.

and all the complex different compositions make me that.

These split personality are sometimes antagonistic to each other causing an identity crisis.

Have you ever listened to Bhulle Shahs poetry? He asks himself who he is and self reflection is part of our genetic make up.

 

[SHAH BAAZ]

Thank God my Dad always kept sending me back home all these years, I havent forgotten the way of my door!. I am a proud Citizen of Pakistan. My mother land, a land for the pure. A land where I feel free a land that belongs to me. A gift from Allah the Merciful.

InshaAllah Pakistan is destined to be at the top of the world. All these foreignors who are transitioning into foreign countries, good for you.