The Foreign Minister Affirms that Indonesia Has No Intention to Open Relationships with Israel

[Indos]

CNN Indonesia | Wednesday, 06/01/2021 15:30 WIB

The Foreign Minister Affirms that RI Has No Intention to Open Relationships with Israel

Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi. (Photo: Lukas-Bureau of the Presidential Secretariat)

Jakarta, CNN Indonesia -

Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi emphasized that Indonesia does not intend to open relations with Israel .

He reiterated this in the Indonesian Foreign Minister's Annual Press Address which this time was held virtually on Wednesday (6/1). This virtual speech was witnessed by all Indonesian representatives abroad, representatives of foreign countries in Jakarta, and other high-ranking officials.

"At the end of 2020 a lot of news circulated widely as if Indonesia wanted to normalize diplomatic relations with Israel. I want to emphasize, until now, Indonesia has no intention of opening diplomatic relations with Israel," said Retno.


Retno explained that Indonesia will continue to support Palestinian independence based on a two-state solution and other parameters that are agreed upon internationally.

See also: Dubai Sex Tourism Becomes the Fruit of Normalizing Israel-UAE Relations

Retno said in a telephone communication with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on December 16, President Joko Widodo emphasized the same thing.

Recently, the discourse on establishing Israel-Indonesia relations has resurfaced after Tel Aviv reached an agreement to normalize relations with four countries in the last three months.

In today's annual speech, Retno also raised Indonesia's efforts to help peace negotiations in Afghanistan, one of which was by attending the agreement between the United States and the Taliban group in Doha in February 2020.

See also: US Wants Billions of Dollars If RI Opens Relations with Israel

Indonesia, said Retno, also attended the Afghanistan Peace Process on September 12, 2020.

"I also met with President Ashraf Ghani in Kabul on March 1, 2020 and inaugurated the Indonesia-Afghanistan Women's Solidarity Network," said Retno.

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Menlu Tegaskan RI Tak Berniat Buka Hubungan dengan Israel

Menlu Retno Marsudi kembali menegaskan jika Indonesia tidak berniat membuka hubungan dengan Israel, seperti halnya Bahrain dan UEA.

www.cnnindonesia.com

 

[jamahir]

@Indos, Muslim-majority countries cannot just wish away Israel and Israel cannot perpetually involve half the world in protecting Israel because, tragic and long-standing though the issue is, there are also other pressing issues in the world like hunger and homelessness.

The Israel-Palestine issue has to be solved politically, peacefully. There is no message from Nature in the night sky written through stars forming alphabets that is preventing the two parties from solving the issue politically. The issue is a simple human political problem.

But the governments of many Muslim-majority countries are scared of taking any stand other than of opposing Israel. They are scared because their citizens may protest. Citizens led by uneducated, unsophisticated mullahs who can invoke unsensible emotions in the public.

But these governments should be brave and do the right thing.

If the Indonesian government wants to intercede on behalf of the Palestinians it should press for one of the only two possible solutions :

1. Two State Solution, with the Palestinian territories being from the 1967 border status. Pic here. This solution was approved by the PLO.

2. One State Solution which was the Libyan solution and called for a union of Israel and Palestine and to be governed democratically. All of that area's Muslims, Jews and Christians living in one country.

 

[nufix]

@Indos, Muslim-majority countries cannot just wish away Israel and Israel cannot perpetually involve half the world in protecting Israel because, tragic and long-standing though the issue is, there are also other pressing issues in the world like hunger and homelessness.

The Israel-Palestine issue has to be solved politically, peacefully. There is no message from Nature in the night sky written through stars forming alphabets that is preventing the two parties from solving the issue politically. The issue is a simple human political problem.

But the governments of many Muslim-majority countries are scared of taking any stand other than of opposing Israel. They are scared because their citizens may protest. Citizens led by uneducated, unsophisticated mullahs who can invoke unsensible emotions in the public.

But these governments should be brave and do the right thing.

If the Indonesian government wants to intercede on behalf of the Palestinians it should press for one of the only two possible solutions :

1. Two State Solution, with the Palestinian territories being from the 1967 border status. Pic here. This solution was approved by the PLO.

2. One State Solution which was the Libyan solution and called for a union of Israel and Palestine and to be governed democratically. All of that area's Muslims, Jews and Christians living in one country.

Indonesia openly endorses two state solution https://jakartaglobe.id/context/indonesia-endorses-two-state-solution-peace-middle-east/

Therefore, Indonesia would only normalize relationship with Israel if the Palestinians have a state https://www.timesofisrael.com/indon...on-with-israel-until-palestinians-have-state/

 

[jamahir]

Indonesia openly endorses two state solution https://jakartaglobe.id/context/indonesia-endorses-two-state-solution-peace-middle-east/

That is good.

Therefore, Indonesia would only normalize relationship with Israel if the Palestinians have a state https://www.timesofisrael.com/indon...on-with-israel-until-palestinians-have-state/

Well, what I meant was Indonesia to become among those Muslim-majority ( or otherwise ) countries which should take leadership in establishing a committee of nations that should insist on the Israelis and Palestinians to talk.

Saying that Indonesia will normalize relationship with Israel only after there is a Palestinian state means nothing to be frank.

You should insistently get the two parties to talk. You take the initiative.

Your own first source has this :

"The Palestine-Israel conflict has gone on too long. It’s time for the international community to take concrete steps to realize peace in the Middle East through a two-state solution," Fachir said.

So Indonesia should be among those few who take the concrete steps.

 

[vi-va]

@Indos, Muslim-majority countries cannot just wish away Israel and Israel cannot perpetually involve half the world in protecting Israel because, tragic and long-standing though the issue is, there are also other pressing issues in the world like hunger and homelessness.

The Israel-Palestine issue has to be solved politically, peacefully. There is no message from Nature in the night sky written through stars forming alphabets that is preventing the two parties from solving the issue politically. The issue is a simple human political problem.

But the governments of many Muslim-majority countries are scared of taking any stand other than of opposing Israel. They are scared because their citizens may protest. Citizens led by uneducated, unsophisticated mullahs who can invoke unsensible emotions in the public.

But these governments should be brave and do the right thing.

If the Indonesian government wants to intercede on behalf of the Palestinians it should press for one of the only two possible solutions :

1. Two State Solution, with the Palestinian territories being from the 1967 border status. Pic here. This solution was approved by the PLO.

2. One State Solution which was the Libyan solution and called for a union of Israel and Palestine and to be governed democratically. All of that area's Muslims, Jews and Christians living in one country.

Indonesia has nothing to lose for not recognizing Israel, day to day business as usual.
Indonesia will lose a big bargaining chip if she recognize Israel while getting nothing in return.
Indonesia will also lose reputation in Muslim world, as well as create anti government sentiment domestically.

Simple to know what's the choice.

 

[Indos]

@Indos, Muslim-majority countries cannot just wish away Israel and Israel cannot perpetually involve half the world in protecting Israel because, tragic and long-standing though the issue is, there are also other pressing issues in the world like hunger and homelessness.

The Israel-Palestine issue has to be solved politically, peacefully. There is no message from Nature in the night sky written through stars forming alphabets that is preventing the two parties from solving the issue politically. The issue is a simple human political problem.

But the governments of many Muslim-majority countries are scared of taking any stand other than of opposing Israel. They are scared because their citizens may protest. Citizens led by uneducated, unsophisticated mullahs who can invoke unsensible emotions in the public.

But these governments should be brave and do the right thing.

If the Indonesian government wants to intercede on behalf of the Palestinians it should press for one of the only two possible solutions :

1. Two State Solution, with the Palestinian territories being from the 1967 border status. Pic here. This solution was approved by the PLO.

2. One State Solution which was the Libyan solution and called for a union of Israel and Palestine and to be governed democratically. All of that area's Muslims, Jews and Christians living in one country.

Nufix has answered that. And about mediating the conflict, even European power like Germany cannot do it, let alone Indonesia. Israel can only follow USA. What Indonesia does has already been correct which is to bring support to Palestine and pressure Israel so that they can be forced to solve the dispute diplomatically which is at this moment is impossible due to their military superiority while being supported by a Superpower.

 

[jamahir]

Indonesia will also lose reputation in Muslim world, as well as create anti government sentiment domestically.

Yes, I addressed that in third and fourth paragraphs of my post you quoted.

Well, this is the chance for Indonesia, Malaysia and even Pakistan to take charge and get Israel and the Palestinians to talk. The first step.

What Indonesia does has already been correct which is to bring support to Palestine and pressure Israel so that they can be forced to solve the dispute diplomatically which is at this moment is impossible due to their military superiority while being supported by a Superpower.

But do we really see any such pressure ?

Is there any meetings happening between the two parties ?

And about mediating the conflict, even European power like Germany cannot do it, let alone Indonesia. Israel can only follow USA

Then this is the chance for Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan and even Bangladesh to speak up in the United Nations and publicly pressurize USA to again get Israel and the Palestinians to talk. After all, during Yasser Arafat's time the USA had arranged for talks. And thus speak for either of the only two solutions possible.

 

[Indos]

Yes, I addressed that in third and fourth paragraphs of my post you quoted.

Well, this is the chance for Indonesia, Malaysia and even Pakistan to take charge and get Israel and the Palestinians to talk. The first step.



But do we really see any such pressure ?

Is there any meetings happening between the two parties ?



Then this is the chance for Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan to speak up in the United Nations and publicly pressurize USA to again get Israel and the Palestinians to talk. After all, during Yasser Arafat's time the USA had arranged for talks. And this speak for either of the only two solutions possible.

You dont know that because you dont seat in UNSC bro

This is just one example, there are many......



Indonesia initiates UN Security Council Meeting to Reject Israel’s Annexation Plan
Thursday, 25/June/2020

"For too long, the Palestinian people have been living under injustice, human rights violations, and a bad humanitarian situation. Israel's annexation plan is a threat to the future of the Palestinian people," stated the Indonesian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Retno L.P. Marsudi, in her bold opening statement at the UN Security Council Open Meeting that was held virtually on the situation in the Middle East on June 24, 2020.

In the meeting chaired by France as the President of the UNSC for June 2020, the Indonesian Minister of Foreign Affairs raised a pointed question "The choice is in our hands, will we side with the international law or turn a blind eye and side with the other side that allows actions contrary to international law?", asked Retno Marsudi.

Minister of Foreign Affairs Retno Marsudi stressed the three reasons that the international community must reject Israel's annexation plan.

First, Israel's formal annexation plan to the Palestinian territories is a violation of international law. Allowing the annexation means setting a precedent in which territorial control by annexation is deemed legal under international law.

"All parties must firmly reject this annexation by asserting in all international forums, through both statements and concrete actions, that annexation is illegal," said the Indonesian Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Second, Israel's formal annexation plan is a test of the UN Security Council's credibility and legitimacy in the eyes of the international communities. The UNSC must take swift actions that are in line with the UN Charter.

"Anyone threatening international peace and security must be held accountable before the UN Security Council. No double standard,” said Retno Marsudi.

Third, annexation will damage the whole prospect of peace. Annexation will also create instability in the region and the world. For this reason, there is an urgency for a credible peace process where all parties stand on equal footing.

"This is the right time to start the peace process in a multilateral framework based on the agreed international parameters.”

Minister of Foreign Affairs Retno also stressed the importance for the world to overcome the humanitarian situation in Palestine, including Palestinian refugees. "The pandemic further aggravates the suffering of our brothers and sisters in Palestine, making supports from international humanitarian agencies, especially UNRWA, very important," explained the Indonesian Minister of Foreign Affairs, while conveying the increased contribution of Indonesia to Palestine, which was given either directly to Palestine, or through UNRWA in 2020.

"Injustice happens not because of the absence of justice. Injustice happens because we allow it to happen. It's time we stop the injustice," concluded Retno Marsudi.

Together with Tunisia and South Africa, Indonesia initiated the UNSC Meeting at the Ministerial level to discuss Israel's annexation plan. The meeting was attended by the Secretary-General of the United Nations, the Secretary-General of the Arab League, the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, the Palestinian Minister of Foreign Affair, and the Ministers of Foreign Affairs from several member states of the UN Security Council.
(Source: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs)

Indonesia Initiates Un Security Council Meeting To Reject Israels Annexation Plan | Portal Kementerian Luar Negeri Republik Indonesia

kemlu.go.id

Official Indonesia foreign ministry website

 

[jamahir]

@Indos, I will discuss tomorrow. Logging-off. Sleepy.

 

[Titanium100]

@Indos, Muslim-majority countries cannot just wish away Israel and Israel cannot perpetually involve half the world in protecting Israel because, tragic and long-standing though the issue is, there are also other pressing issues in the world like hunger and homelessness.

The Israel-Palestine issue has to be solved politically, peacefully. There is no message from Nature in the night sky written through stars forming alphabets that is preventing the two parties from solving the issue politically. The issue is a simple human political problem.

But the governments of many Muslim-majority countries are scared of taking any stand other than of opposing Israel. They are scared because their citizens may protest. Citizens led by uneducated, unsophisticated mullahs who can invoke unsensible emotions in the public.

But these governments should be brave and do the right thing.

If the Indonesian government wants to intercede on behalf of the Palestinians it should press for one of the only two possible solutions :

1. Two State Solution, with the Palestinian territories being from the 1967 border status. Pic here. This solution was approved by the PLO.

2. One State Solution which was the Libyan solution and called for a union of Israel and Palestine and to be governed democratically. All of that area's Muslims, Jews and Christians living in one country.

This is an extremely entitled post coming from none other then someone whos country has completely fallen into the hands of extremist group and illiterate ppl. India is probably the only country officially lead by a terrorist organistation and riling the populations up. coming with controversies after controversies.

India is one of the most backward country on plante earth currently. Also India has the worst media where fake news has become real news. Even making a conspiracy theory into a law.

You of all people shouldn't comment on this thread. Many refused friendship with Israel because they are entitled to it. Perhaps the next one who will be isolated will be India soon

 

[TaiShang]

As far as I hear from Indonesian colleagues, there is no intention for official diplomatic recognition, but, facilitating further people to people and business exchanges.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Thank God it's not Indonesia. That would be been a real shame and a tragedy for the Muslim world.

This mainly leaves Bangladesh and Malaysia.

 

[Song Hong]

Indonesia and Israel relationship is not too bad. Many years ago, when I was in business trip in Israel, I have already met many Indonesian. Also Indonesian tourist can travel freely to Israel, limitation is just a formality.

Indonesia companies are selling lot of Israel products.

 

[Indos]

Indonesian Embassy in Saudi Arabia official twitter account

https://twitter.com/x/status/1346717466446192642

 

[fallstuff]

They have nothing to gain by changing status quo.