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THE UNITED STATES SHOULDN’T SELL THE F-35 TO SAUDI ARABIA
SHIMON ARAD
JANUARY 17, 2020
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Saudi Arabia wants to purchase Lockheed Martin’s F-35 stealth fighter jet. The aircraft is the most advanced fighter in the world, and it would give Riyadh a major military advantage in the Gulf. In addition, acquiring the F-35 would deepen its ties with Washington at a crucial moment. Its military campaign in Yemen and the shocking murder of Jamal Khashoggi in October 2018 has dealt major reputational damage to Saudi Arabia in the United States, particularly in Congress. A lucrative defense purchase won’t entirely reverse this trend, but it could be a first step.

The exact status of U.S.-Saudi talks on the possible release of the F-35 is unknown. Little in the way of official disclosure on this issue exists and there are only a small number of clues regarding any ongoing discussion on this issue. In 2017, Defense News reported that Saudi Arabia was seeking to purchase the F-35, citing unnamed officials who stated that “important progress” was being made. The absence of any official American disclosure regarding the status of such a possible sale should not prevent a discussion of this issue. By the time any formal U.S. response to an official Saudi request becomes public, it could be too late to prevent such a deal from going through.


The stakes of this potential sale are huge, and not just in Riyadh and Washington. Selling Saudi Arabia the F-35 would undercut Israel’s qualitative military edge. Maintaining this advantage is a vital security concern for Israel and a key part of American strategy in the Middle East. What’s more, Riyadh doesn’t need the fifth-generation fighter to deter or defeat Iran in any conceivable conflict. American concerns that Saudi Arabia will turn to Russia or China for advanced fighters are overblown.

Israel’s Qualitative Military Edge and American National Security


Israel’s aerial superiority in the Middle East is central to the retention of its regional qualitative military edge. In light of the considerable build-up by the Arab states of advanced American, European, and Russian fourth-generation fighter jets over the last decade, the continued Israeli exclusivity of the F-35 in the region remains a vital interest.

Its advantage in the air enables Israel to safeguard not only its own national security, but also to maintain American regional interests. This comes at a time when Washington desires to cut its direct involvement in the Middle East. The reported Israeli air strikes to counter the Iranian military build-up in Syria and Iraq is an obvious example of this. Undermining Israel’s qualitative aerial advantage would undermine its ability to continue to fulfill such a regional role and possibly necessitate an expanded American regional role in the future to safeguard Israel’s security.

It’s Not Too Late to Oppose the F-35 Sale to Saudi Arabia


Talks between Riyadh and Washington about the F-35 are likely still in the pre-decisional stage. This stage is important. Confidential discussions before the submission of a formal foreign military sale request involves crucial “pre-work” conversations. Officials from the State Department and the Department of Defense discuss the possible parameters of such a sale with the potential client, determine its appropriateness, and create internal momentum for a formal decision.

Negotiating major arms deals can be a long, tedious process. Just because Saudi Arabia is interested in purchasing F-35s doesn’t necessarily mean it will happen. At the same time, the fact that talks seem to be taking place reinforces expectations and lays the groundwork for the formal request stage. Subsequently, it becomes harder for public debate or for Congress to block such sales given the bureaucratic momentum and mobilization pushing for the deal to be done, as well as the foreign policy and reputational repercussions of disappointing an expectant major client.

While Congress has never successfully blocked a proposed major arms sale, it has affected the timing and composition of such sales. By expressing strong opposition to them, it has dissuaded presidents from formally proposing certain arms sales. However, in a standoff between the president and Congress, the former has the definite advantage, unless a two-thirds majority in both houses can be mobilized to override a presidential veto and prevent a sale. The recent use by the administration of President Donald Trump of emergency authorities to bypass congressional opposition to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Jordan demonstrates its determination to push through its arms export policies. This may be repeated in the F-35 case.

The fact that an executive decision on the possible release of the F-35 to Saudi Arabia may be determined behind closed doors, before any formal request, need not prevent public debate on the pros and cons of such a deal. Debating the case openly now could play an important role in framing the future of the process.

The Case for Selling F-35s to Saudi Arabia


The release of the fifth-generation F-35 fighter to Saudi Arabia may yield several interrelated benefits for the United States. Strategically, it would signal a strengthening of the American commitment to the security of Saudi Arabia in the wake of the recent unprecedented attack on its strategic eastern oil processing facilities at Abqaiq and Khurais, probably by Iran. This would bolster existing security ties and cooperation, including the deployment of additional U.S. troops to Saudi Arabia following the attack.

The underlying message to Iran would be that the United States will defend Saudi Arabia, and it will provide offensive capabilities capable of penetrating the Iranian air defenses, including the Russian S-300 missile system.

Releasing the F-35 to Saudi Arabia could be seen as a way to reassure Riyadh and other regional partners of America’s continued support to the region. Given the sophistication of the F-35 and the resulting long-term reliance that the Saudis will have on the United States for training, maintenance, logistics, and interoperability, its release to Saudi Arabia would not only be a tool of regional deterrence but could also be used as a tool for restraining the Saudis.

The sale would also be a boost for Trump’s policy of increasing America’s arms exports. The many billions of dollars that such a deal would be worth could help compensate for the removal of Turkey from the F-35 program, and contribute to the effort of bringing down the fighter’s per-unit costs. At the same time, approval of the Saudi request would discourage it from shopping around for alternative sophisticated Russian, Chinese, or European weapon systems.

Regionally, the release of the F-35 to Riyadh could also signify Washington’s appreciation for the Saudi role in supporting the Trump administration’s “deal of the century” to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It would encourage the Saudis to retain their crucial and indispensable political backing for the materialization of this effort. This includes support for the June 2019 Bahrain Summit, an economic pledge to bolster the Palestinian economy as part of the deal, and political pressure on the Palestinian leadership not to outrightly reject the upcoming American proposal.

The Case Against Selling F-35s to Saudi Arabia


There are three major disadvantages to releasing the F-35 to Saudi Arabia. It could raise the potential risk of possible long-term regional entanglement costs for the United States, undermine Israel’s qualitative military edge, and symbolize U.S. endorsement for Saudi regional and domestic policies.

The Saudi military campaign in Yemen has complicated the U.S.-Saudi military relationship. It has necessitated active intelligence and aerial support, and undermined the premise that the tens of billions of dollars’ worth of advanced weapon systems sold to Saudi Arabia would rarely be used. They were meant to be “expensive paperweights” but instead have made the United States complicit in the civilian toll of the war, heightened the dilemma of selling Riyadh weapons while controlling their use, and increased public and congressional opposition to the arms relationship.

The fear is that with the F-35, Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman will be further emboldened and inadvertently draw the United States in to additional regional brawls, entangling it in conflicts with Iran, Qatar, or some other country. The Saudi campaign in Yemen and the murder of Khashoggi point to bin Salman’s reckless nature. The sale of the F-35s would do no more to rein in Saudi Arabia than has the sale of 154 advanced F-15s in restraining the Saudi-led war in Yemen. Trump’s emphasis on the economic utility of arms sales in the “buyer’s market” increases Saudi Arabia’s bargaining power and reduces the efficacy of U.S. political and military leverage. Instead of reassuring Riyadh, such a sale may in fact embolden it and increase its self-perception of military prowess.

The actual military utility of this weapon system is far from immediate. It would take years to produce and transfer the Saudi F-35s and for them to reach operational readiness. The advanced F-15SA that the Saudis are in the process of absorbing is already the most advanced fighter jet in the region, excluding Israel’s F-35s, capable of interoperability with American air capabilities and an existing strong indication of Washington’s commitment to Saudi Arabia’s security. In the meantime, such a decision may trigger Iranian provocations prior to the supply of the F-35, because of their fear of the stealth fighter jet, increasing the potential for U.S. entanglement.

The release of the F-35 to the Arab countries will also undermine America’s historical commitment to preserving Israel’s qualitative military edge. Israel’s aerial superiority is key to the preservation of its qualitative military edge. Given the massive acquisition of advanced fighter planes by the Arab states in recent years, combined with the improvements made in their air defense systems, Israel’s regional F-35 exclusivity remains the main safeguard for its overall military superiority.

According to U.S. legislation, guaranteeing Israel’s qualitative military edge means supplying it with superior military means and capabilities, above and beyond the weapon systems supplied by the United States to the Arab countries. Former Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, refers to this qualitative preference in his memoirs, writing that among the steps taken “to ensure that Israel’s QME was not diminished by the F-15 sale to Saudi Arabia… we would sell Israel the same model F-35 Joint Strike Fighter we were going to provide our NATO allies.”

Releasing the F-35 to Saudi Arabia would undermine Israel’s aerial advantage and, in the event of a military conflict, could enable the Saudis to penetrate Israel’s airspace. Even if the Saudi version of the F-35 was downgraded, it would still provide game-changing fifth-generation stealth, network-centric, and command and control operational capabilities. This includes interconnectivity between Saudi Arabia’s 5th and 4th generation fighters, making its existing F-15s even more lethal. The only superior aerial capability that could surpass the F-35 is the F-22, but the United States has thus far refused to release that capability to any other country.

From a moral perspective, the release of the F-35 to Riyadh at this time in the face of disagreements over the war in Yemen, the isolation of Qatar, human and women’s rights, and the Khashoggi affair, would demonstrate a triumph for geopolitical over normative considerations. This would be a big win for bin Salman, providing him with a significant symbol of enhanced U.S. support at a time of risky Saudi behavior.

Assessing the Pros and Cons


Arms sales to Saudi Arabia have not bought Saudi restraint in Yemen. Given the focus on arms sales by the Trump administration, Riyadh may feel that its economic leverage can retain the continued support of the administration for arms sales in the face of Congressional calls to attach political strings to these sales. Releasing the F-35 to Saudi Arabia at this time would present Riyadh with a valued symbolic achievement without reducing the potential for U.S. regional entanglement. Conversely, as Bruce Riedel writes, “shaking the arms relationship is by far the most important way to clip [Mohammad bin Salman’s] wings.”

In lieu of any other viable alternative, preventing the sale of the F-35 to Arab countries remains the only genuine way of preserving Israel’s qualitative military edge. This applies not only to the release of fifth-generation offensive capabilities to Saudi Arabia, but also to the other Gulf States. At the same time, Saudi Arabia’s advanced F-15s are more than capable of dealing with Iranian threats and provocations, especially with the United States by its side. These planes far out-perform the aging Iranian F-14s and their munitions are capable of carrying out precise, standoff attacks against Iranian ground-to-air radars and air-defense systems, as well as destroying Iranian naval defenses and capabilities.

American fears of Saudi Arabia turning to Russia, China, or the Europeans for advanced aerial systems if the F-35 is not released to it, are exaggerated. Purchasing fifth-generation Russian or Chinese fighters would require a massive overhaul of Saudi Arabia’s air force, and these would be stand-alone platforms lacking interconnectivity with its backbone of American and British-made 4th generation fighters. Moreover, Russia or China will not provide the security guarantees that the United States does, at least not at a price that Riyadh will be willing to pay. Turkey’s removal from the F-35 program because of its purchase of the Russian S-400 may also serve to deter Saudi Arabia from turning to Russia or China in fear of possible U.S. reprisals.

On balance, the cons for releasing the F-35 to Saudi Arabia far outweigh the pros. However, because of the process by which major arms deals proceed behind bureaucratic closed doors, waiting for the formal request stage to discuss the pros and cons may be too late to influence the decision.

Conclusion


Saudi Arabia has more than enough airpower to deter or defeat Iran. In a crisis, it would hardly go it alone against Tehran without American or Israeli participation. With the F-35 in its possession, Riyadh may be tempted to become more emboldened and entangle the United States in its conflicts.

Israel’s exclusive possession of the F-35 in the region remains the main safeguard for its overall military advantage. This is good for both Israel and the United States. In an era in which air power is crucial to Israel’s ability to counter regional threats and to support U.S. policies in the Middle East, this exclusivity needs to be retained for as long as possible. The release of the F-35 to Saudi Arabia or other Gulf states will be a game changer, seriously undermining Israel’s qualitative military edge.

It’s not too late to oppose the F-35 sale to Saudi Arabia. As long as the United States and Saudi Arabia continue to discuss the possible release of the F-35 behind closed doors, opposing such a potential sale can be effective. Israel should make its case to Washington that selling Riyadh F-35s would ultimately undermine Israeli and American interests.


Shimon Arad is a retired colonel of the Israeli Defense Forces and a Ph.D. student at the School of Political Science at the University of Haifa. His writings focus on Middle East regional security topics.


https://warontherocks.com/2020/01/the-united-states-shouldnt-sell-the-f-35-to-saudi-arabia/

Regardless of what the cousin is writing above, I will give it maximum 5 years, before the F-35 will be a part of the already impressive RSAF arsenal.
 
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He's discounting the point that a potential lift or relaxation of sanctions on Iran could create some leeway for them to modernize their air force. they wont fly f4 phantoms or f14s forever...

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/iran-could-buy-su-30-fighters-and-s-400-sams-in-2020-pentagon-says/

Have in mind that this is his subjective writing with everything this entails of bias, half-truths, agenda etc.

I agree. Similarly KSA/GCC won't be limited to the status quo. On the other hand I have huge doubts about KSA/Arab countries and Iran ever engaging in a large scale war as there is too much to lose on both sides. Moreover I predict that Iran (in the future) will integrate closely (economically etc.) with neighboring Arabs as soon as the Iranian regime is gone which is a question of time like with any other regime.

That said I believe that KSA/GCC will always have air superiority over Iran by virtue of economic realities, population size (in the future) let alone that of the Arab world combined (lightyears ahead).

I mean there is a reason why KSA/GCC is helping bankroll Egypt and their heavy spending/buying/modernization and why Arab states are reaching out to Syria (Al-Assad regime) and increasing their influence in brotherly Iraq/reengaging with the post-2003 regimes) simply because Iraq and Syria are the flanks of the Arab world (Northern and Eastern) and stable, strong and independent Syria and Iraq are the best thing that can occur for neighboring Arab states, as such states would serve/have served as bastions/guardians on those flanks of the Arab world.

Whenever they have been unstable, the instability have had an impact elsewhere in the Arab world. Same story with the Southern flank (Yemen).

We need to look at events with a long-term perspective.

As for predictions goes, I also predict that Israel and Arab states will turn into future allies. Israel has no real option long-term being a tiny enclave in a sea of Arabs (not even talking about the demographics of Israel and Palestine) and it is the best option for the Palestinians as well if a political solution and some type of compromise/federal state could emerge. Status quo does not benefit either party.

So if peace can emerge between Israel (Israel being an extension of the US in the region) and Arabs, a lot of political obstacles will be solved.
 
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Just install a kill switch and sell it for 3 times the MSRP ( manufacturers suggested retail price)... :)

Milk the camel.

Why are you trolling and showcasing your inferiority complexes despite being Arabized yourself?:lol:

What camels are you blabbering about as well? The camel is not native to the Arab world although it was apparently first domesticated in the Arab world. The camel was the most expensive land animal in the world for millennia after the ARABIAN horse. There are plenty of camels in Pakistan and millions of your people are dependent on it, unlike in KSA.

There are no kill switches and KSA has never bought fighter jets for 3 times the market price.

PDF and Arab-obsessed trolls is a great and pathetic combination indeed.

You live up to that monkey avatars of yours very well, I see.

P.S: Rather be a camel than a freaking donkey!
 
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Its hilarious. Nobody even cares about this rambler's mental-masturbations anymore :lol:

He literally writes long texts of walls---and people don't even read it, let alone comment on it and engage.

Simple fact: U.S-Israel have a strategic synergy due to cultural-political-strategic reasons that is unmatched in the Middle East. Israel's qualitative superiority will be maintained at all costs. Any U.S sale to KSA or other client states in the region will take the aforementioned fact into account.

So whether KSA gets F-35s or not, that's irrelevant. What's guaranteed is that regardless of F-35s or not, KSA's military capability will always be kept inferior to Israel's by the bosses overseeing Middle-East (aka US/Europe etc)

What this mentally-disburbed child---seeking attention and having mental-masturbation sessions online---thinks is irrelevant.

Why are you stating the obvious, troll, and projecting? Those 44 negative ratings did not come from nowhere, I see.

Obviously the surrogate (USA) will try to do whatever is necessary to keep its small child (Israel) afloat. This is no different from your own case (Pakistan) which is even much lower in the pecking order but no need to state the obvious here.

You think that having a US citizenship (forgetting that practically everyone can become an American citizen in theory - I even had the opportunity if I had prolonged my stay in the US permanently after my time studying in California - or the fact that Arab Americans far outnumber Pakistani Americans) makes you somehow special? You will remain a Pakistani regardless of your citizenship.

I guess KSA being armed with the most deadly ballistic missiles in the region, courtesy of China, is part of this security apparatus and the ongoing Saudi Arabian ballistic missile force and KSA's strategic partnership with China and increasing ties with Russia etc.

The ground reality is not as simple and far more complicated than what you will ever be able to comprehend.

As for the F-35, the US cannot afford to lose KSA and allies and will do everything in its power to prevent KSA from moving towards China (already our largest trade partner) and Russia, thus playing into the hands of KSA. Even this IDF general is well aware of it and it is fair to say that you are a nobody in comparison.
 
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after bin Salman had so much *** licking Israel, even israel dont trust them
 
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after bin Salman had so much *** licking Israel, even israel dont trust them

It is the other way around. Netanyahu is the one traveling to Arab countries (not Arab leaders traveling to Israel), it is Netanyahu that uses every opportunity to talk about the prospects of Arab-Israeli cooperation and friendship, he is the one constantly talking about a new chapter in Arab-Israeli relations and he is the one that keeps talking about new supposed Arab "allies".

Israel is just an extension of the US in the Middle East/region, with everything this entails (backed up by the Jewish lobby in the US - that basically rules the US foreign policy and millions and millions of braindead Bible Belt voters) so obviously KSA/Arabs have to have that in mind.

BTW you appear to be an Indonesian, can you please tell everyone here about Israeli-Indonesian military ties and ties in general? I guess your leaders were kissing Israeli *** as well.
 
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It is the other way around. Netanyahu is the one traveling to Arab countries (not Arab leaders traveling to Israel), it is Netanyahu that uses every opportunity to talk about the prospects of Arab-Israeli cooperation and friendship, he is the one constantly talking about a new chapter in Arab-Israeli relations and he is the one that keeps talking about new supposed Arab "allies".

Israel is just an extension of the US in the Middle East/region, with everything this entails (backed up by the Jewish lobby in the US - that basically rules the US foreign policy and millions and millions of braindead Bible Belt voters) so obviously KSA/Arabs have to have that in mind.

BTW you appear to be an Indonesian, can you please tell everyone here about Israeli-Indonesian military ties and ties in general? I guess your leaders were kissing Israeli *** as well.
yup, but we are not muslim country and ehhmm we are not trying to be the qiblah of the muslim leadership while being in the same bed with a known enemy in a muslim world. :-)

It is the other way around. Netanyahu is the one traveling to Arab countries (not Arab leaders traveling to Israel), it is Netanyahu that uses every opportunity to talk about the prospects of Arab-Israeli cooperation and friendship, he is the one constantly talking about a new chapter in Arab-Israeli relations and he is the one that keeps talking about new supposed Arab "allies".

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yeah I thnk netanyahu is a pro, he knows clearly what he's doing to the israeli interest unlike most gulf amir and kings. who have zero fucks about what they are doing
 
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yup, but we are not muslim country and ehhmm we are not trying to be the qiblah of the muslim leadership while being in the same bed with a known enemy in a muslim world. :-)

You are not a Muslim country since when? You have the largest population of Muslims in the world and almost 90% of your population is Muslim. Mainly due to Arab merchants and Arab dynasties taking root in what is today Indonesia and intermarrying with locals, which is why the Arab-Indonesian community and people of Arab descent number over 5 million people, largest non-native ethnicity along with the Chinese settlers.

Trying to be? We are by default of Makkah and Madinah always lying in Hijaz. That will remain the case until this earth is no longer in existence.

Nobody is "in bed" (whatever that means) with Israel. KSA is yet to recognize Israel, there is zero trade between each county and people are banned from visiting each other.

I am against such a policy as Israel is here to stay as long as it will be backed by its daddy and creator (USA/West) and to be honest, after the same Jews were living under Arab dominance for millennia, we can have 7 decades of hardship (Palestinians more precisely) as this will eventually end given the demographics.

Have in mind that 20% of Israel's population is Arab Muslim and that 2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews (Jews from Arab lands that were expelled after the creation of Israel)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

So Israel is basically an Arab state ethnically and genetically. A dispute of land between related people and related Abrahamic religions (Islam and Judaism).

For most of recorded history Arabs and Jews have had cordial ties. From Al-Andalus to the Arab world and elsewhere.

Therefore I support normalization as long as the Palestinian question have been dealt with but even when that has yet to occur, speaking together is better than the status quo of the past 70 years that did not achieve what was needed. So a new approach might as well be tried.

yup, but we are not muslim country and ehhmm we are not trying to be the qiblah of the muslim leadership while being in the same bed with a known enemy in a muslim world. :-)


yeah I thnk netanyahu is a pro, he knows clearly what he's doing to the israeli interest unlike most gulf amir and kings. who have zero fucks about what they are doing

That is your viewpoint, those same rulers have ruled the region longer than any other existing rulers, so they must be doing something well. Somehow surviving every turmoil in the region unlike everyone else before them. Some coincidence.

Netanyahu is doing that for well-known reasons. You don't know the Israeli psyche and what it means to be a tiny entity (surrogate of the US or not) in a sea of 500 million Arabs and with the historical ballast (Arab dominance) to add to this.

However it i is clear what the Israeli public wants and that is to have cordial ties with their Arab neighbors. Arabs for better or worse, are far LESS receptive to such an idea due to well-known reasons (Palestine) and that is where the problem emerges.

As for mutual killings, it is pretty even since the first mass exodus of Jewish settlers started arriving in the mid/late 1800's under the watch of the Ottoman yoke.
 
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You are not a Muslim country since when? You have the largest population of Muslims in the world and almost 90% of your population is Muslim. Mainly due to Arab merchants and Arab dynasties taking root in what is today Indonesia and intermarrying with locals, which is why the Arab-Indonesian community and people of Arab descent number over 5 million people, largest non-native ethnicity along with the Chinese settlers.
even I,know that the condition of a muslim country is the implementation and recognition of Shariah as the law, we dont use quran and sunnah so that doesnt make us a muslim country technically. dont the sheikh in hejaz told you any of this lol????

Trying to be? We are by default of Makkah and Madinah always lying in Hijaz. That will remain the case until this earth is no longer in existence.

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yup its a shame you're only the guardian of only the two holy place , before you the ottoman, the abbasid, the ummayad are the custodian of three holy mosque. they're a legitimate muslim ruler, now a wannabe muslim leaders had concede Al Quds to the Israeli.

 
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even I,know that the condition of a muslim country is the implementation and recognition of Shariah as the law, we dont use quran and sunnah so that doesnt make us a muslim country technically. dont the sheikh in hejaz told you any of this lol????


yup its a shame you're only the guardian of only the two holy place , before you the ottoman, the abbasid, the ummayad are the custodian of three holy mosque. they're a legitimate muslim ruler, now a wannabe muslim leaders had concede Al Quds to the Israeli.

Are you sure? Ever heard about Aceh?

Despite Dutch subjugation and colonialism and thus impact on native Indonesian jurisprudence, much of your law derives from Sharia or is influenced by it directly or indirectly.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/103382/is-indonesia-becoming-a-sharia-state

Al-Aqsa is under Palestinian (Jordanian via Hashemite guardianship) control and is located in Eastern Al-Quds/Jerusalem which is controlled by the West Bank and internationally recognized as such.

And since you are such a great Muslim, why has not a single non-Arab Muslim (expect for a few volunteers that can be counted on 1 hand) fought for Al-Quds to date in the modern era? What is Indonesia's, the most numerous Muslim nation in the world, contribution in this struggle?
 
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Are you sure? Ever heard about Aceh?

Despite Dutch subjugation and colonialism and thus impact on native Indonesian jurisprudence, much of your law derives from Sharia or is influenced by it directly or indirectly.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/103382/is-indonesia-becoming-a-sharia-state

Al-Aqsa is under Palestinian (Jordanian via Hashemite guardianship) control and is located in Eastern Al-Quds/Jerusalem which is controlled by the West Bank and internationally recognized as such.

And since you are such a great Muslim, why has not a single non-Arab Muslim (expect for a few volunteers that can be counted on 1 hand) fought for Al-Quds to date in the modern era?
Aceh is not a state let alone an islamic state
 
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Are you sure? Ever heard about Aceh?

Despite Dutch subjugation and colonialism and thus impact on native Indonesian jurisprudence, much of your law derives from Sharia or is influenced by it directly or indirectly.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/103382/is-indonesia-becoming-a-sharia-state

Al-Aqsa is under Palestinian (Jordanian via Hashemite guardianship) control and is located in Eastern Al-Quds/Jerusalem which is controlled by the West Bank and internationally recognized as such.

And since you are such a great Muslim, why has not a single non-Arab Muslim (expect for a few volunteers that can be counted on 1 hand) fought for Al-Quds to date in the modern era? What is Indonesia's, the most numerous Muslim nation in the world, contribution in this struggle?
Indonesia is a secular country, even our Naional Symbol (Garuda) is a Hindu Bird, we are not an Islamic State. Unlike you who export tons of sheiks here trying to depict your country as a "Land of Tawheed"
It's saddened me that here many dumb people got brainwashed by your Sheikhs and now view Saudi Arabia and Turkey as some sort of muslim power who will somehow find a way for an Islamic revival that will liberate Quds

As of 2020, Aceh applies a more strict and literal form of Sharia than KSA as of 2020.


And here is a scholarly work about the status and influence of Islamic Law (Sharia) in Indonesia.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256042477_The_Islamic_Legal_System_in_Indonesia

Sharia which deals with punishment is a tiny part of Islamic Law, you might not be aware of this reality it seems.
The Shariah law ordered the Stoning of Adulterers, The chopping of Hands and Killing of Insulters of Islam.
Aceh on the other hands only whip them. There is Nothing Islamic about the Acehnede qanuns ( wannabe shariah law).

They only think they apply shariah but they don't
 
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Indonesia is a secular country, even our Naional Symbol (Garuda) is a Hindu Bird, we are not an Islamic State. Unlike you who export tons of sheiks here trying to depict your country as a "Land of Tawheed"
It's saddened me that here many dumb people got brainwashed by your Sheikhs and now view Saudi Arabia and Turkey as some sort of muslim power who will somehow find a way for an Islamic revival that will liberate Quds

What relevance has your national emblem or symbol? The current national emblem of KSA depicts a palm tree and a sword (two in fact). The symbol of our national football team and football association is an eagle. Hence the nickname, the "Green Eagles".

What are you blabbering about?

There are 5 million Indonesians of Arab ancestry mostly from KSA and Yemen. Nobody is dong any "missionary" work when that job was already done CENTURIES ago, hence why 90% of your population is Muslim.

As for your KSA and Turkey nonsense, not sure what you are blabbering about.

99.99% of the Saudi Arabians that visit Indonesia are tourists or businessmen. 3-4 well-known clerics visiting under the invitation of local Indonesians does not equal your blabbering.

The Shariah law ordered the Stoning of Adulterers, The chopping of Hands and Killing of Insulters of Islam.
Aceh on the other hands only whip them. There is Nothing Islamic about the Acehnede qanuns ( wannabe shariah law).

They only think they apply shariah but they don't

If that is your understanding of Sharia and the complexity of it, I pity you, and no wonder that you seem rather ignorant/clueless.
 
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