THE END OF IRAQ: The Ugly Dilemma in Ramadi

[Serpentine]

That has to be the most stupid backing of an argument in history. This is what i hate about Irani's. They try to pretend being fair and not supporting terrorism, but deep down they are as disgustingly sectarian as Saudis.

I think you have some English comprehension problems dear. I didn't write that post to support Taliban, everyone here knows how I despise them, I wanted to throw your own argument back to you, but given your reaction, it's now obvious that even you can not stand your own logic, justifying ISIS creation with actions of a government.

 

[azzo]

Shia militia announced its withdrawal in Aleppo to head back to Iraq after most of their soldiers died in Ramadi.

They're also trained by Iran so are you sure "Sadr's Mahdi army" is capable of getting it back?

Dude do you know the video's original source? what TV channel? it's been a long time since I heard a real Iraqi voice, and not the Ajami, mullah slaves that inhabit Iraq today. (Just look at the picture, disgusting).

 

[Hussein]

sectarian guy supporting IS. who cares about these retards.

 

[SipahSalar]

I think you have some English comprehension problems dear. I didn't write that post to support Taliban, everyone here knows how I despise them, I wanted to throw your own argument back to you, but given your reaction, it's now obvious that even you can not stand your own logic, justifying ISIS creation with actions of a government.

I am not justifying ISIS creation, i am just pointing at the reason behind it's existence. The Sunni population was sidelined by the Shiite government and they held grudge against them, that's the reason behind the ISIS's rapid expansion.
Your Taliban analogy is ridiculous, are you comparing Iraq's millions of Sunnis to Taliban terrorists? That is the very essence of racism and sectarianism. I can't believe you are justifying the apartheid of sunnis in Iraq by calling them Taliban. My statement stands proven, you are brainwashed by sectarian propaganda.

 

[Hack-Hook]

not Pakistan, but Iran should.

two front war against ISIS. Iran coming from the East and SAA/YPG pushing from the West. corner the rats and block off their escape route through Turkey

Iraq working with Iran,Syria, and Russia is the only way they can survive.

but can the sunni population deal with that.

that clearly will single Iraq is pro-Iran

Iran intervened we armed shia militia . The beat ISIS left and right but some group in power didn't like them and said to send them away .
So I guess it's time for them to show what they are capable of.

 

[volcano]

it's sad that iraqis don't have the will and morale to fight off these invaders.
why does it seems like ME militaries are just bad at tactics and motivating their men to fight and die for their country and loved ones??

what happened to huge battles and tactics like those of the Iran Iraq war?? did Iraq lose the will to fight and die after Saddam was disposed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_War

Or may be sadam's army make the core of isil.

 

[Bratva]

Pakistan also sidelined its 'Salafi' population, so Taliban is a perfectly genuine movement and every action it does is justified. They are fighting for their rights. How do you like your argument being used against yourselves. I'm waiting for your excuses to counter it, but it won't work, because what you said about Iraq is a lie.

Does Pakistan army commit massacres like Shia groups after cleaning an area from Taliban ? There lies the fundamental difference b/w Sectarianism and patriotism one holds for its land and to it's people irrespective of their belifs

 

[Dubious]

it's sad that iraqis don't have the will and morale to fight off these invaders.
why does it seems like ME militaries are just bad at tactics and motivating their men to fight and die for their country and loved ones??

what happened to huge battles and tactics like those of the Iran Iraq war?? did Iraq lose the will to fight and die after Saddam was disposed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_War

You cant really fight for ever...even the American went down on moral after years in Afghanistan ...many RETURNED....Where shall the ME "return" to?

 

[Serpentine]

Does Pakistan army commit massacres like Shia groups

Here lies your fundamental problem, most of those so called 'massacres' are made up, there is absolutely no proof to back them up. You just repeat what media has been spreading.

If it's so easy to throw random accusations to fit your agenda, then I can claim Pakistan's army has not done enough to protect civilians, especially Shias who are being targeted regularly, but they are yet to form a group like ISIS.

Pathetic excuses, when Sunnis are absorbed to terror groups like ISIS, it's because they are 'oppressed', but Shias are being oppressed in many areas, they don't even come close to create groups like that, because it's not in their nature. You should accept the truth as difficult as it is to swallow.

I am not justifying ISIS creation, i am just pointing at the reason behind it's existence. The Sunni population was sidelined by the Shiite government and they held grudge against them, that's the reason behind the ISIS's rapid expansion.
Your Taliban analogy is ridiculous, are you comparing Iraq's millions of Sunnis to Taliban terrorists? That is the very essence of racism and sectarianism. I can't believe you are justifying the apartheid of sunnis in Iraq by calling them Taliban. My statement stands proven, you are brainwashed by sectarian propaganda.

Wait a minute, aren't Taliban Sunnis? Isn't Pakistan also a Sunni majority? So why do you count them as 'few Taliban terrorists' in Pakistan, but when it comes to ISIS, they are the voice of 'poor innocent sidelined Sunnis in Iraq'?

Can you explain to me how groups like Al-Qaeda, Taliban or Boko Haram created? As per your logic, they must be all 'oppressed Sunnis'.

 

[Bratva]

Here lies your fundamental problem, most of those so called 'massacres' are made up, there is absolutely no proof to back them up. You just repeat what media has been spreading.

If it's so easy to throw random accusations to fit your agenda, then I can claim Pakistan's army has not done enough to protect civilians, especially Shias who are being targeted regularly, but they are yet to form a group like ISIS.

Pathetic excuses, when Sunnis are absorbed to terror groups like ISIS, it's because they are 'oppressed', but Shias are being oppressed in many areas, they don't even come close to create groups like that, because it's not in their nature. You should accept the truth as difficult as it is to swallow.



Wait a minute, aren't Taliban Sunnis? Isn't Pakistan also a Sunni majority? So why do you count them as 'few Taliban terrorists' in Pakistan, but when it comes to ISIS, they are the voice of 'poor innocent sidelined Sunnis in Iraq'?

Can you explain to me how groups like Al-Qaeda, Taliban or Boko Haram created? As per your logic, they must be all 'oppressed Sunnis'.

And here lies fundamental problem in typical Iranian mindset. As per this mindset, every shia group fighting ISIS or likes of it are saints and incapable of having death squads or perpetuating massacres. There are authentic reports exist on media. If it doesn't satisfy your appetite and seems like propoganda to you, why not pay a visit to those areas where such allegation arised ? I'm sure families would like to give a first hand account of what they went through at hands of shia death squads.

And If Shias are oppressed does it give them rights to oppressed the locals of area after cleansing it from ISIS ?

Ignorance is bliss. Hence if Irani thinks Pakistan army fail to protect shias, He knows squat about Pakistan frankly. Wherever shias are killed or massacared in Pakistan, it was the responisiblity of local Police and law enforcement agencies to protect them, not that of army. So you should stop confusing about Pakistan army with Police.

 

[Hussein]

I am not justifying ISIS creation, i am just pointing at the reason behind it's existence. The Sunni population was sidelined by the Shiite government and they held grudge against them, that's the reason behind the ISIS's rapid expansion.
Your Taliban analogy is ridiculous, are you comparing Iraq's millions of Sunnis to Taliban terrorists? That is the very essence of racism and sectarianism. I can't believe you are justifying the apartheid of sunnis in Iraq by calling them Taliban. My statement stands proven, you are brainwashed by sectarian propaganda.

one side you have such shia militias that i won't blame you to criticize (i quite agree)
shia militias are a problem, not for the future of the democracy, but mostly because it will be hard in future to take their weapons and ask them to calm down/stop making their own "rules"
but on the other side, it is a very bad idea to support baathist and IS .
bad idea to answer to a bad solution by an even worst.
tc

 

[livingdead]

Why not partition Iraq? Don't understand this obsession to keep Iraq together. Certainly the people don't want to live together, too much sectarianism, too much blood has already been spilled. Let it die already so that peace can finally return.

who will do it? Iraqi govt wont accept partition now. They did not make a deal with sunnis, tried to sideline them, and IS is the result.
IS wont succeed without sunni support(and support from baathist elements who are angry the way they were treated.). Iraq's bad luck, they did not have a Mandela like figure for reconciliation, rather a shia sectarian PM.

 

[Saho]

Dude do you know the video's original source? what TV channel? it's been a long time since I heard a real Iraqi voice, and not the Ajami, mullah slaves that inhabit Iraq today. (Just look at the picture, disgusting).

I am struggling to find the full video but I found an extra 3 minute footage.

Check this out, pure gold.

Full Video

And this (you can skip it to the middle).

Seriously, why do Shia politicians or analyst etc failed to counter Suuni's argument in front of million viewers all the time, instead they quickly change the subject and talk about "liberating Palestine" or blame ISIS for everything when the very same Suuni Iraqis on TV explained clearly how Shia government only represent Iran and not the Suunis and Kurds but they avoid their best to answer it which shows they failed the debate. It's an huge embarrassment.

 

[azzo]

I am struggling to find the full video but I found an extra 3 minute footage.

Check this out, pure gold.

Full Video

And this (you can skip it to the middle).

Seriously, why do Shia politicians or analyst etc failed to counter Suuni's argument in front of million viewers all the time, instead they quickly change the subject and talk about "liberating Palestine" or blame ISIS for everything when the very same Suuni Iraqis on TV explained clearly how Shia government only represent Iran and not the Suunis and Kurds but they avoid their best to answer it which shows they failed the debate. It's an huge embarrassment.

Maliki government and Shia politicians in general are known for their corruption and thievery, by the admission of Shiites Iraqis themselves.