The Covert Origins of ISIS

[BDforever]

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

wherever the west and its wahhabi cult barbarian allies in the region go - trouble follows

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

i dont subcribe to a lot of things Z.H. says but i openly agree with a lot of the stuff discussed here

 

[Roybot]

wherever the west and its wahhabi cult barbarian allies in the region go - trouble follows

West is just helping its allies this time and not the mastermind, mastermind is the GCC. A final Shia vs Sunni showdown is imminent.

 

[SrNair]

West is just helping its allies this time and not the mastermind, mastermind is the GCC. A final Shia vs Sunni showdown is imminent.

We dont need such a scenario considering most of oil resources is in ME.

 

[Roybot]

We dont need such a scenario considering most of oil resources is in ME.

Of course we don't, but there is very little we can do to stop it from happening.

 

[SrNair]

Of course we don't, but there is very little we can do to stop it from happening.

Only thing we can do is too diversify our oil sources.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

West is just helping its allies this time and not the mastermind, mastermind is the GCC. A final Shia vs Sunni showdown is imminent.

The West never helps , they only destroy and create "controlled chaos" for geopolitical reasons and to extract more resources from a particular region. Read William Blum's books (there are many others, but this is a good start), you desperately need it. It's very obvious to me that you have zero knowledge on how Western imperialism works - both now and throughout history. Why would you post a comment when you know so little about the subject (in fact, next to nothing)? That is something I have never understood.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

West is just helping its allies this time and not the mastermind, mastermind is the GCC. A final Shia vs Sunni showdown is imminent.

Actually quite the opposite. This is what the west WANTS but unfortunately for them (or those who would love to see Muslims dividied ) -- you already have Sunni, Shiia tribes uniting in Iraq to fight the ISIS. IF anything, this conflict will help to BRIDGE the gap.

When Zarqawi was wiped out in 2004 I think it was, you already has the Awakening Councils which realized that the sectarian agenda was tearing Iraq apart. In neighboring Syria, the FSA - which is still having hardline stance against Assad regime and Iran - is focusing more on training its guns on their enemies like ISIS/ISIL & Nusra front which indeed gets support from individuals in certain Persian Gulf states.

It's also worth mentioning that the western/EU/israeli plot to carve out an independent Kurdish state - for the sole interest of cutting Iraq down to size and bypassing Iran -- will inevitably fail. You already have Peshmerga fighting ISIS. They've lost men but they are formidable fighters. Kurds produced some of the greatest people with jihadi zeal - like Salahuddin Ayyubi.

So yes, you have external and regional stakeholders hell bent on using sectarianism as a mechanism for influence. Fitna is clearly outlined in the Holy Book - the Quran. However, good will prevail over evil because "Shia" and "Sunni" (bullshit manmade designer labels) are Muslims and most of us pray side by side and read the same Holy Book which in and of itself is more than sufficient.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

The West never helps , they only destroy and create "controlled chaos" for geopolitical reasons and to extract more resources from a particular region. Read William Blum's books (there are many others, but this is a good start), you desperately need it. It's very obvious to me that you have zero knowledge on how Western imperialism works - both now and throughout history. Why would you post a comment when you know so little about the subject (in fact, next to nothing)? That is something I have never understood.

the Britishers knew how to exploit it and plunder regions of their resources...To date - the Chinese buy their influence these people just bomb for it

 

[Gibbs]

Nuff said..

 

[The SC]

Actually quite the opposite. This is what the west WANTS but unfortunately for them (or those who would love to see Muslims dividied ) -- you already have Sunni, Shiia tribes uniting in Iraq to fight the ISIS. IF anything, this conflict will help to BRIDGE the gap.

When Zarqawi was wiped out in 2004 I think it was, you already has the Awakening Councils which realized that the sectarian agenda was tearing Iraq apart. In neighboring Syria, the FSA - which is still having hardline stance against Assad regime and Iran - is focusing more on training its guns on their enemies like ISIS/ISIL & Nusra front which indeed gets support from individuals in certain Persian Gulf states.

It's also worth mentioning that the western/EU/israeli plot to carve out an independent Kurdish state - for the sole interest of cutting Iraq down to size and bypassing Iran -- will inevitably fail. You already have Peshmerga fighting ISIS. They've lost men but they are formidable fighters. Kurds produced some of the greatest people with jihadi zeal - like Salahuddin Ayyubi.

So yes, you have external and regional stakeholders hell bent on using sectarianism as a mechanism for influence. Fitna is clearly outlined in the Holy Book - the Quran. However, good will prevail over evil because "Shia" and "Sunni" (bullshit manmade designer labels) are Muslims and most of us pray side by side and read the same Holy Book which in and of itself is more than sufficient.

Very good post. A correction is needed though, Salahuddin Al Ayyubi was produced by Arabic Islam's civilization in Iraq not by Kurds.

What really makes sense is that the US did worse than this in Iraq during it occupation, and this is either a follow up or a genuine movement in reaction to what was going on in Iraq post American withdrawal, one should not have a short memory of bombings going on on a daily bases killing dozens everyday...
We should not forget that the US has built it largest embassy in the world...in Baghdad !

 

[acid rain]

I hear that Bandar is the one behind the mess in both syria and iraq.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

Of course we don't, but there is very little we can do to stop it from happening.

Without Western wars of aggression in the ME there wouldn't be any serious shia-sunni conflict. The West did and does everything it can to create more division and chaos, with great success I should say (partly because the people of the region are not exactly well-educated and bright).

Very good post. A correction is needed though, Salahuddin Al Ayyubi was produced by Arabic Islam's civilization in Iraq not by Kurds.

He was Kurd. Secondly, Turks and Iranians have contributed more to Islamic civilization than Arabs. Not that it matters to me, but it's a fact.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

"Shia" and "Sunni" (bullshit manmade designer labels) are Muslims and most of us pray side by side and read the same Holy Book which in and of itself is more than sufficient.

They certainly don't read the book with the intention to understand it. They leave that up to the "ulema" who have done the most damage to Islam by distorting all key Qur'an concepts. Islam and Muslims only exist by name.