the computing and related technologies thread

[Skull and Bones]

You mean from low entropy to high?

Yup.

 

[kaku1]

a few times have been conversations between "skull and bones", donatello and myself on fundamental electricals and computing topics like clock-less processors, fpga ( field programmable gate array ) and manufacture of computer circuitry.

but those discussions have been in random threads so i thought there could be a dedicated thread for this very field.

all are welcome, though i will start by tagging those i know are interested in such sciences.

@Skull and Bones @levina @Blue_Eyes @Donatello

What about Quantum Computing, Q-bit, Entanglement Communication, Entanglement Teleportation?

All right then,tell me why he did not age??
I understand the relative differences related to time at different speeds and around bigger orbits vs say a person on earth.

But

The human body has a biological clock of its own determined by the number of times a particular cell divides.Its decided by progressive shortening of telomers that are located at the end of chromosomes.After a particular length is reached the cells simply die.

Now how will the change in speed/movement through a wormhole alter that??

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The Relativity is all about frame of reference. When the time slows down wrt earth in ship, then why cells inside the body experiences same time as of earth?

i don't believe in the "time modification" part of the film though i really enjoyed the film... time is essentially a human concept which does not apply to non-living objects like stars and worlds.

Ok, so how the world still expanding, if it doesnt effect non-living thing? Why stars die?

no human has traveled beyond the moon's distance to prove the "time modification" theory.

Umm, clock inside GPS.

 

[he-man]

then why cells inside the body experiences same time as of earth?

Thats the whole crux of my argument here

 

[kaku1]

I may be wrong wrt nuances of physics but what about the division of cells of body??
Because cells won't stop dividing when we go faster,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or will they??

Thats the only part of the movie i have a problem with.

Yes they dont, because time never stop, until u reach at the speed of light (it slows down further and further) , and your mass reaches to infinity.

Thats the whole crux of my argument here

Yes, but I dont get it. When you inside the ship, time slows down (again wrt to earth, not of the person living on the ship).

Like they travel at around speed of light, and return to earth after some 2 yrs.
These scenario would happen:-
1) The age of crew remain same wrt each other.
2) There age grow much slower wrt to earth.

So, automatically when they return they would be in future.

 

[he-man]

He will obviously age

In the movie he did not in case u forgot.
He aged according to clocks on earth so why didn't he age physically in case u miss the point.

Yes they dont, because time never stop, until u reach at the speed of light (it slows down further and further) , and your mass reaches to infinity.


Yes, but I dont get it. When you inside the ship, time slows down (again wrt to earth, not of the person living on the ship).

Like they travel at around speed of light, and return to earth after some 2 yrs.
These scenario would happen:-
1) The age of crew remain same wrt each other.
2) There age grow much slower wrt to earth.

So, automatically when they return they would be in future.

Thats relativity.
The cells of body divide according to the biological clock and not according to where we are in the space.

I explained that after a set number of divisions ,,the cells are simply programmed to die.
So why didn't he age??

 

[kaku1]

Thats relativity.
The cells of body divide according to the biological clock and not according to where we are in the space.

I explained that after a set number of divisions ,,the cells are simply programmed to die.
So why didn't he age??

Again biological clock is what? The time which is experienced by each and every atom inside your body is matter.

Your time never slows down ( if you dont have any other frame of reference to compare), you only able to experience time jump only after when you return to earth. If he able to spend 100yrs according to his ship time, then yes he aged and die too.

 

[he-man]

Again biological clock is what? The time which is experienced by each and every atom inside your body is matter.

Your time never slows down ( if you dont have any other frame of reference to compare), you only able to experience time jump only after when you return to earth. If he able to spend 100yrs according to his ship time, then yes he aged and die too.

After each division of cell,the chromosomes become shorter or in more details the ends of a chromosome become shorter.

These ends are called telomers and after a particular length is reached,the cells simply die.

This is biological clock

This is disturbed in cancers as the cancer cells make an enzyme telomerase that prevents this shortening so cells donot die which leads to increase in the size of that particular part(layman language)

 

[kaku1]

After each division of cell,the chromosomes become shorter or in more details the ends of a chromosome become shorter.

These ends are called telomers and after a particular length is reached,the cells simply die.

This is biological clock

This is disturbed in cancers as the cancer cells make an enzyme telomerase that prevents this shortening so cells donot die which leads to increase in the size of that particular part(layman language)

Yes you are totally correct, but when the physical clock slows down (wrt earth), then how the biological clock remain at same speed (wrt earth)? Isnt biological clock too slows down wrt earth?

 

[he-man]

Yes you are totally correct, but when the physical clock slows down (wrt earth), then how the biological clock remain at same speed (wrt earth)? Isnt biological clock too slows down wrt earth?

No it should not because cells have to divide at the same rate to replenish older cells.If it does not happen we will die even faster

For example the cells of skin,stomach,intestines etc have to keep on dividing at a fast rate to replace the dead cells due to physical damage or damage due to acid in stomach.Now this sort of damage will occur even in space or wormhole or whatever,,if not to a greater degree due to radiation.
The brain cells/neurons cannot even divide so after say a particular age the brain becomes slow.But in the movie mcconoughey(hero) did not show any of these things

 

[jamahir]

What about Quantum Computing, Q-bit, Entanglement Communication, Entanglement Teleportation?

teleportation by itself is a fascinating concept... i imagine some fuel within a spaceship, amounting to a few liters, but with a real-time multi-nozzle teleporter, producing a constant storage of fuel... no need to carry hundreds of tons of fuel... this topic must be included.

entanglement communication, i don't know a lot about it but i think it is not useful mostly.

quantum computing, again i doubt this field.

please look at my below reply to guynextdoor2.

Ok, so how the world still expanding, if it doesnt effect non-living thing? Why stars die?

stars die, yes, but isn't that like the burning out of a candle on earth??

Umm, clock inside GPS.

but we are talking about no changes in life-forms versus changes for those on earth.

HP is building a commercial version of a next gen computer. They're calling it the 'machine'. Photonics. memristors the works. A completely new way to compute, a new kind of OS and so on in one single product

i will accept only two things from that entire lecture... universal memory ( through memristors ) and image processing.

remaining lecture seemed to be a typically establishment-american overcomplicating of things by trying to remain within the old capitalist centralized societal structure.

sophistication of computer technology is in simplification of computers, data input, networking and the use of computers.

future of networking is semi-decentralized.

@Skull and Bones what is your thought on "universal memory"... i mentioned nram in the "whatever" thread... would graphene be suitable for such a thing??

These scenario would happen:-
1) The age of crew remain same wrt each other.
2) There age grow much slower wrt to earth.

not proved, and it is more a mathematical exercise than anything real.

 

[kaku1]

No it should not because cells have to divide at the same rate to replenish older cells.If it does not happen we will die even faster

For example the cells of skin,stomach,intestines etc have to keep on dividing at a fast rate to replace the dead cells due to physical damage or damage due to acid in stomach.
The brain cells/neurons cannot even divide so after say a particular age the brain becomes slow.But in the movie mcconoughey(hero) did not show any of these things

You are confused the time on earth and with time on ship.

Take an example, you and me are sitting on that ship. We experience nothing like time travel, we say fck there is nothing like time travel, we experience like we are on earth. All the time we abusing the Einstein for his non sense theory.

Scenario 1:

We spent 100 yrs in ship which running with almost speed of light. And yes we get aged and get die without experiencing any time travel. We die abusing Einstein.

Scenario 2:

We spent 70yrs in ship and return to earth ( the ship was traveling with speed of light). But when we return, it almost 1000 yrs gone.

So, isnt our biological clock was slow wrt to earth. But our clock was same wrt ship, thats why we are aged and now 70+.

teleportation by itself is a fascinating concept... i imagine some fuel within a spaceship, amounting to a few liters, but with a real-time multi-nozzle teleporter, producing a constant storage of fuel... no need to carry hundreds of tons of fuel... this topic must be included.

entanglement communication, i don't know a lot about it but i think it is not useful mostly.

quantum computing, again i doubt this field.

please look at my below reply to guynextdoor2.



stars die, yes, but isn't that like the burning out of a candle on earth??



but we are talking about no changes in life-forms versus changes for those on earth.



i will accept only two things from that entire lecture... universal memory ( through memristors ) and image processing.

remaining lecture seemed to be a typically establishment-american overcomplicating of things by trying to remain within the old capitalist centralized societal structure.

sophistication of computer technology is in simplification of computers, data input, networking and the use of computers.

future of networking is semi-decentralized.

@Skull and Bones what is your thought on "universal memory"... i mentioned nram in the "whatever" thread... would graphene be suitable for such a thing??



not proved, and it is more a mathematical exercise than anything real.

You over- simplify everything. You ignore everything which you dont know. So, its useless that I comment step wise.

Bye Bye.

 

[he-man]

isnt our biological clock was slow wrt to earth

In physics yes but in biology no.
1)The cells will divide at same rate to replenish the older cells whether u are at earth,jupiter,worm hole or travelling at speed of light.(if the level of wear and tear remains same which won't as i explain later on)

2)After x number of divisions the cells will die so no more replication

3)This leads to decrease in replication=ageing starts to set in.

Now in space this process will only accelerate due to radiation which has adverse effect on our body cells>>>cells die faster>>>gets the cells to replicate even faster to replace dead cells>>>>>cells deplete faster>>>>u may actually die faster


Why will cells divide slower in actuality(not relatively wrt clock on earth due to physics of time) in an environment having 100's of times more radiation than earth and much more g forces leading to more wear and tear of the body??

 

[kaku1]

In physics yes but in biology no.
1)The cells will divide at same rate to replenish the older cells whether u are at earth,jupiter,worm hole or travelling at speed of light.(if the level of wear and tear remains same which won't as i explain later on)

2)After x number of divisions the cells will die so no more replication

3)This leads to decrease in replication=ageing starts to set in.

Now in space this process will only accelerate due to radiation which has adverse effect on our body cells>>>cells die faster>>>gets the cells to replicate even faster to replace dead cells>>>>>cells deplete faster>>>>u may actually die faster


Why will cells divide slower in actuality(not relatively wrt clock on earth due to physics of time) in an environment having 100's of times more radiation than earth and much more g forces leading to more wear and tear of the body??

Ohh, if you adding Radiation and g force ( which we experience nothing in space) in equation, then definitely our life expectancy get lower. Thats the risk have to take to astronaut.

But again with jus simple 2 yr or 10 yr travel, that doesnt matter much, after all these astronaut would be in future.

 

[he-man]

But again with jus simple 2 yr or 10 yr travel, that doesnt matter much, after all these astronaut would be in future

Then he should age same as a person on earth if u eliminate the radiation etc.
Point is why did't he age at all------------------neither physically,nor mentally??

 

[kaku1]

Then he should age same as a person on earth if u eliminate the radiation etc.

No why?, the 1 yr space travel harm that much from radiation?

Point is why did't he age at all------------------neither physically,nor mentally??

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Yes definitely they aged ( time never going to stop, yes it can slow, at speed of light our mass become infinity and we convert into singularity or small black hole,, so time stopping is not possible at all),, but they aged at much slower rate.