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[Skull and Bones]

i don't believe in the "time modification" part of the film though i really enjoyed the film... time is essentially a human concept which does not apply to non-living objects like stars and worlds.

Time is equally applicable for stars and worlds, it's just that they don't give a fcuk about it.

Time is related to entropy.

 

[he-man]

No, time is not constant. That is the whole story in the movie. He aged, but time was moving slowly for him compared to that on earth. The closer you approach to the speed of light, the slower time will be. There is nothing as actual time. There is no concept of time for a hypothetical particle travelling at the speed of light.

U don't understand.
Thats because of relative difference as say u are on jupiter where 10 earth years make 1 jupiter year so u will be only 10 years old there while on earth u will be 100 years old.

The same concept will apply if u travel at the speed of light with appropriate corrections of course although u cannot as ur mass will increase too according to einstein.

But the point is ageing.How does this alter the body??Do cells stop dividing?Or they divide at slower rate too??Because ageing=death of cells

My point is if we keep time as a reference on say another place like pluto or jupiter or another galaxy and then calculate it for both a man moving like mcconughey(hero) and another person on earth then the time will be same for the cells of body which brings me to the original question.

Why did he age?

i don't believe in the "time modification" part of the film though i really enjoyed the film... time is essentially a human concept which does not apply to non-living objects like stars and worlds.

It does apply though stars are too stupid like ga**ffi to realize it

Any answers people??

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[jamahir]

It does apply though stars are too stupid like ga**ffi to realize it

no human has traveled beyond the moon's distance to prove the "time modification" theory.

 

[he-man]

no human has traveled beyond the moon's distance to prove the "time modification" theory.

Its not a theory.........its a simple fact.
The bone of contention here is the ageing part which in my opinion is at the very best controversial.

 

[jamahir]

Its not a theory.........its a simple fact.
The bone of contention here is the ageing part which in my opinion is at the very best controversial.

i don't dispute the reaction to time of every object ( connect to the word skull used, entropy ).. i am only saying what you too say as controversial, the difference in life-form aging shown in the film.

 

[Skull and Bones]

U don't understand.
Thats because of relative difference as say u are on jupiter where 10 earth years make 1 jupiter year so u will be only 10 years old there while on earth u will be 100 years old.

The same concept will apply if u travel at the speed of light with appropriate corrections of course although u cannot as ur mass will increase too according to einstein.

But the point is ageing.How does this alter the body??Do cells stop dividing?Or they divide at slower rate too??Because ageing=death of cells

My point is if we keep time as a reference on say another place like pluto or jupiter or another galaxy and then calculate it for both a man moving like mcconughey(hero) and another person on earth then the time will be same for the cells of body which brings me to the original question.

Why did he age?

I have a quantum physicist sleeping in the room next to mine, i'll get him to post from my account tomorrow.

When you're comparing time with relative time taken by the planet to orbit around sun, as the benchmark unit of time, then you'll be wrong. Time doesn't work that way. If you take a definite point on the planets, and compare their relative motion with that of light, then you'll get the actual reference of time. I believe a day lasts for only 10 hours in Jupiter, so a definite point on the surface of Jupiter will be moving faster than any point on earth, therefore time will pass much faster in Jupiter than Earth.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

The next most important development in electronics will come from plasmonics, as surface plasmons can transport information at THz speed, while normal conductors starts loosing information amplitude at tens of GHz speed.

HP is building a commercial version of a next gen computer. They're calling it the 'machine'. Photonics. memristors the works. A completely new way to compute, a new kind of OS and so on in one single product

 

[he-man]

I have a quantum physicist sleeping in the room next to mine, i'll get him to post from my account tomorrow.

When you're comparing time with relative time taken by the planet to orbit around sun, as the benchmark unit of time, then you'll be wrong. Time doesn't work that way. If you take a definite point on the planets, and compare their relative motion with that of light, then you'll get the actual reference of time. I believe a day lasts for only 10 hours in Jupiter, so a definite point on the surface of Jupiter will be moving faster than any point on earth, therefore time will pass much faster in Jupiter than Earth.

I may be wrong wrt nuances of physics but what about the division of cells of body??
Because cells won't stop dividing when we go faster,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or will they??

Thats the only part of the movie i have a problem with.

 

[jamahir]

I believe a day lasts for only 10 hours in Jupiter, so a definite point on the surface of Jupiter will be moving faster than any point on earth, therefore time will pass much faster in Jupiter than Earth.

which in no way relates to human aging.

 

[Skull and Bones]

I may be wrong wrt nuances of physics but what about the division of cells of body??
Because cells won't stop dividing when we go faster,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or will they??

Thats the only part of the movie i have a problem with.

When we go faster, cells will divide slower. Simple stuff.

which in no way relates to human aging.

It does, the difference is marginal. Tens of seconds in a human lifetime.

 

[he-man]

When we go faster, cells will divide slower. Simple stuff.

No they won't dude.
Only the mode of calculation will be slower............not the division.

Time is not a biological concept.

On the other hand the radiation and adverse affects of absence of gravity might shorten the life of an astronaut due to adverse effects on the body

 

[Skull and Bones]

No they won't dude.
Only the mode of calculation will be slower............not the division.

Time is not a biological concept.

On the other hand the radiation and adverse affects of absence of gravity might shorten the life of an astronaut due to adverse effects on the body

Time is a physical concept, and every thing you do is in the realm of Physics, even biology, or chemistry or anything. The cells will experience time as normal, only the frame of reference will change. For someone on earth, their cells will seems to divide very slowly. But for someone within the same reference frame, time will be flowing at normal speed, and cells will be dividing at normal speed.

And the adversities in space is time independent, not in anyway related to the topic in hand.

 

[he-man]

seems

Thats the problem........they will in actuality be dividing at same rate if we don't measure time by any means.

So why did he age??

 

[Skull and Bones]

Thats the problem........they will in actuality be dividing at same rate if we don't measure time by any means.

So why did he age??

He will obviously age, as he's not travelling at the speed of light. What it 'seems' actually 'happens', this is physics we are talking about.

 

[kaku1]

entropy.

You mean from low entropy to high?