The Cold Arab-Israeli Alliance Against Iran

[Indus Pakistan]

if you won't mind

As you wish.

 

[Aramagedon]

Quit the comedy. Iranian secular nationalists (who prior to 1979 were the biggest Israeli lovers in the region) such as yourself do not care the slightest about Palestinian Arabs (you even wrote this yourself on a few occasions here on PDF and when you discussed with @Falcon29 ). Rather your main goal and enemy are the Arabs whom you hated before 1979 and will continue to hate.

If Israel was not hostile to Iran you would cheer openly for them or at best support them silently.

You might fool a few Pakistanis here but rest assured that 99% of all Arabs today know your likes real intentions.

Can you see this map?

It ensures that your fairytale dreams of "regional hegemony" will never happen. This post is not aimed at genuinely religious Iranians or educated Iranians who disagree with such idiotic notions.

At least be honest. This way more people would take you seriously. Despite you propagandizing otherwise, by FAR the vast majority of Arabs have no problem with Iranians. Our grievances or hostility is not racially motivated like with your likes. Which events prior to 1979 confirm for the entire world to see. Or GCC's history of welcoming and integrating Iranians (Iranian Arabs, Lurs and Persians) into their society. It's aimed at your regime who ironically are of ARAB origin or claim to be at least.

Let me remind you of the fact that the GCC is home to the largest Iranian diaspora in the world after the US. It's your oldest diaspora alongside Iraq where you diaspora today is gone.

Your information are wrong.

Let me tell you very clearly.

Iranian support for Assad beside Russia and China is because we know if those wild wahhabi rebels reach Shiites and Alawites in Syria threy will genocide thousands of Syrians and deadly disater will happen in Syria. So we must support Assad against wild wahhabi rebels despite all negative views among Sunni muslims. Wahhabis will kill thousands Alawites and we shouldn't let it happen even if our commanders become martyred in Syria.

Another reason is shrines of Ahlulbayt is in Syria and wahhabi shouldn't touch them. In Iraq they destroyed Prophet Yunes (pbuh) grave and and pulled out his body. Prophet Yunis (pbuh ) is a honly prophet and is mentioned in Quran and one Surah is named after him.

Moreover wahhabis will take war to Lebanon and desyroy Lebanon like Syria which shouldn't happen.

So we are doing right thing. We are defending ahlulbayts shrines and lives of millions of Syrian Shitte-Alawite in Syria and preventing civil war in Lebanon and other countries.

Iranians are not after imperialism and regional power and if we are/were friends with Hezbollah and Syria, it's not because of our own benefits but it's because they're anti israeli.
Syria and Hezbollah can give us nothing. No money, technology etc...

About Iranian hatred against Arabs, it is not true we never invaded Arabs when we had great and powerful empires and the reason is we don't kill fellow muslims.

Iranians tradically liked S.Arabia because Mecca and Medina are in there.

15 years ago Iranians had very natural view about Saudis, probably we knew they are a bit extremist but we liked them as Muslims.
If 15 years ago one asked about Wahhabism from average Iranians (except elites)they didn't know what it is.

Iranians had natural view about Saudia and didn't care about Saudi regime. We also liked it as a place for hajj.

When I was child and saw king abdullah on tv I tought he is a very religious man.

The hatred that you talk about and see on internet, are from Iranian young nationalists who live abroad and few of them are young Iranian seculars in Iran.

Our today's hate as Shia Iranians against Saudi is because of your regime and it's strikes against Shiites and Iran and supporting terrorism...

In our school books Muslim army that defeated Sasanids are praised.

We learn arabic in school and we never knew what hate toward arabs really is.

We have positive view about Arabs as Muslims.

In our school books we have some stories about Palestinians and course israelis.

We listen Arabic music and like it. We like khaliji/arabic makeup for women some Iraqi/Lebanese food etc...

We are not friend with Israel and Israelis know us as their worse enemy. We could be like Saudia, Persian gulf countries, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey that has relationship and friendship with Israel and there is zero sanctions over them.

I hope you get what I said and do not write wrong information.

 

[Bilad al-Haramayn]

Your information are wrong.

Let me tell you very clearly.

Iranian support for Assad beside Russia and China is because we know if those wild wahhabi rebels reach Shiites and Alawites in Syria thry will genocide so many Syrians and disater will happen in Syria. So we must support Assad against wild wahhabi rebels despite all negative views between Sunni muslims. Wahhabis will kill thousands Alawites and we shouldn't let it happen even if our commanders become martyred in Syria.
Another reason is shrines of Ahlulbayt in Syria which wahhabi shouldn't touch them. In Iraq try they destroyed Prophet Yunes (pbuh) grave and and pulled out his body. Prophet Yunis (pbuh ) is the honly prophet that is mentioned in Quran and one Surah is named after him.

So we are doing right thing, we are defending ahlulbayts shrines and lives of millions of Syrian Shitte-Alawite in Syria.

Iranians ate not after imperialism regional power and if we are/were friends with Hezbollah and Syria it's not because of our own benefits but it's because they're anti israeli.

About Iranian hatred against Arabs: it is not true we never invaded Arabs when we had great and powerful empires and the reason we don't kill fellow muslims unless in war and be it arab or none arab.

Iranians tragically liked S.Arabia because Mecca and Medina is in there. Also we like Iraq because shrines of ahlulbayt is in there.

15 years ago Iranians had very natural view about Saudis, probably we knew they are a bit extremist but we liked them as Muslims.
If 15 years ago one asked about Wahhabism average Iranians (except elites) didn't know what it is.

Iranians had natural view about Saudia and didn't care about Saudi regime. We also liked it as a place for hajj.

When I was child and saw king abdullah on tv I tought he is very religious.

The hatred that you see on internet are Iranian young nationalists who live abroad and few of them are young Iranian secular in Iran.

our today's hate as a Shia Iranian against you is because of your regime and it's strikes against Shiites and Iran and supporting terrorism...

Btw we sometimes mock/mocked our neighbors such as turks and saudi arabs and make jokes about them just for fun not hatred.

In our school books Muslim army that defeated Sasanids are praised.

We learn arabic in school and don't know what hate is.

We have positive view about Arabs as Muslims.

In our school books we have some stories about Palestinians and course israelis.

We listen Arabic music and like it. We like khaliji/arabic makeup for women some Iraqi/Lebanese food etc...

We are not friend with Israel and Israelis know us as s their worse enemy. We could be like Saudia, Persian gulf countries, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey that has relationship and friendship with Israel and there is zero sanctions over them.

I hope you get what I said and do not write wrong information.

Dear 2800, I was talking about some secular Iranian nationalists. I know that Arabs, especially those living in nearby Iraq and the GCC, share quite a lot in common with Iranians especially with Iranian Arabs, Lurs and Persians. We even share DNA which is not strange as we have been direct neighbors since recorded history and since the first population movements thousands upon thousands of years ago occurred. Long before the notion of Arabs and Iranians as a people came to be. The first people who settled in modern-day Iran (before recorded history) came from nearby Arabia.



We by large look alike (ME people) as well. We share religion, alphabet, thousands of words, cuisine (several similar dishes), music etc., There have been many intermarriages and migrations throughout history between our regions as well. All this nobody that is well-versed in history will deny.

Whenever Arabs or Iranians want to buy food in the West we often buy at each others places. I have seen hundreds upon hundreds of Iranians shopping at Arab shops (most common in Europe because there are many more Arabs) because we mostly use very similar ingredients. Likewise the Iranian restaurants that I have been to, there was almost always Arabs inside. Vice versa too. There are Iranian restaurants in Makkah and Madinah just as I know that there are Saudi Arabian and Arab restaurants in Qom and Mashhad.

Similarily I could give many examples when it comes to Turks although Arab-Turkish relations are not politically hostile today.

Yes, we are different people with our own distinct histories but people of the MENA region/Middle East/Near East share much more in common in the wider picture than what they do not share in common.
It's even more evident when the Arab world is discussed where we also have differences due to historical reasons, geography etc. Differences that have grown in the modern world with the emergence of modern nation states.
All those similarities that we deny today due to the political situation.

Look your grievances, which might be correct or not, are similar among Arabs the other way around. Hence this is in reality about political differences which have escalated far beyond what was necessary. One would have thought that KSA (or other Arab countries) and Iran were at war or had been at war numerous times while no such thing has even happened. This is essentially a power struggle between the regimes of the region and all that follows. Nothing more and nothing less.

Anyway I have to go and I won't be on PDF much this week due to obligations but I hope that we can limit our exchanges to something more constructive in the future. Something that we often lack on PDF. Instead we should discuss solutions to grievances, misunderstandings and failed policies rather than engage in trolling. When I say "we", this obviously includes me as well although I do not think that I have been guilty of this in the past 5 weeks.

 

[Aramagedon]

Dear 2800, I was talking about some secular Iranian nationalists. I know that Arabs, especially those living in nearby Iraq and the GCC, share quite a lot in common with Iranians especially with Iranian Arabs, Lurs and Persians. We even share DNA which is not strange as we have been direct neighbors since recorded history and since the first population movements thousands upon thousands of years ago occurred. Long before the notion of Arabs and Iranians as a people came to be. The first people who settled in modern-day Iran (before recorded history) came from nearby Arabia.



We by large look alike (ME people) as well. We share religion, alphabet, thousands of words, cuisine (several similar dishes), music etc., There have been many intermarriages and migrations throughout history between our regions as well. All this nobody that is well-versed in history will deny.

Whenever Arabs or Iranians want to buy food in the West we often buy at each others places. I have seen hundreds upon hundreds of Iranians shopping at Arab shops (most common in Europe because there are many more Arabs) because we mostly use very similar ingredients. Likewise the Iranian restaurants that I have been to, there was almost always Arabs inside. Vice versa too. There are Iranian restaurants in Makkah and Madinah just as I know that there are Saudi Arabian and Arab restaurants in Qom and Mashhad.

Similarily I could give many examples when it comes to Turks although Arab-Turkish relations are not politically hostile today.

Yes, we are different people with our own distinct histories but people of the MENA region/Middle East/Near East share much more in common in the wider picture than what they do not share in common.
It's even more evident when the Arab world is discussed where we also have differences due to historical reasons, geography etc. Differences that have grown in the modern world with the emergence of modern nation states.
All those similarities that we deny today due to the political situation.

Look your grievances, which might be correct or not, are similar among Arabs the other way around. Hence this is in reality about political differences which have escalated far beyond what was necessary. One would have thought that KSA (or other Arab countries) and Iran were at war or had been at war numerous times while no such thing has even happened. This is essentially a power struggle between the regimes of the region and all that follows. Nothing more and nothing less.

Anyway I have to go and I won't be on PDF much this week due to obligations but I hope that we can limit our exchanges to something more constructive in the future. Something that we often lack on PDF. Instead we should discuss solutions to grievances, misunderstandings and failed policies rather than engage in trolling. When I say "we", this obviously includes me as well although I do not think that I have been guilty of this in the past 5 weeks.

Well I will answer you tomorrow I really need to sleep.

 

[Bilad al-Haramayn]

Well I will answer you tomorrow I really need to sleep.

No problem. I am too tired myself so I did not counter your views on Syria and the region. I will just tell you that ISIS and Al-Nusra are not supported by Arab states or Sunni Muslims (only a tiny, tiny minority) and that Al-Assad's regime is one of the most bloody regimes in recent history and Muslims and non-Muslims should not support it. I see those groups and the Al-Assad regime as evils but the Syria conflict is one of the most complicated. I believe that the Syrian people should decide their own future and for fighting to end as quickly as possible.
Anyway we should not look at those conflicts from a religious perspective as they really have little in common with Islam. It is all about different groups fighting for power and they use religion as a weapon. This is something that unfortunately too many Muslim states and regimes also do nowadays. Syria is too complicated to be discussed on forums such as PDF. Reddit or other forums are much better or were once when serious users where there.

 

[Aramagedon]

Dear 2800, I was talking about some secular Iranian nationalists. I know that Arabs, especially those living in nearby Iraq and the GCC, share quite a lot in common with Iranians especially with Iranian Arabs, Lurs and Persians. We even share DNA which is not strange as we have been direct neighbors since recorded history and since the first population movements thousands upon thousands of years ago occurred. Long before the notion of Arabs and Iranians as a people came to be. The first people who settled in modern-day Iran (before recorded history) came from nearby Arabia.



We by large look alike (ME people) as well. We share religion, alphabet, thousands of words, cuisine (several similar dishes), music etc., There have been many intermarriages and migrations throughout history between our regions as well. All this nobody that is well-versed in history will deny.

Whenever Arabs or Iranians want to buy food in the West we often buy at each others places. I have seen hundreds upon hundreds of Iranians shopping at Arab shops (most common in Europe because there are many more Arabs) because we mostly use very similar ingredients. Likewise the Iranian restaurants that I have been to, there was almost always Arabs inside. Vice versa too. There are Iranian restaurants in Makkah and Madinah just as I know that there are Saudi Arabian and Arab restaurants in Qom and Mashhad.

Similarily I could give many examples when it comes to Turks although Arab-Turkish relations are not politically hostile today.

Yes, we are different people with our own distinct histories but people of the MENA region/Middle East/Near East share much more in common in the wider picture than what they do not share in common.
It's even more evident when the Arab world is discussed where we also have differences due to historical reasons, geography etc. Differences that have grown in the modern world with the emergence of modern nation states.
All those similarities that we deny today due to the political situation.

Look your grievances, which might be correct or not, are similar among Arabs the other way around. Hence this is in reality about political differences which have escalated far beyond what was necessary. One would have thought that KSA (or other Arab countries) and Iran were at war or had been at war numerous times while no such thing has even happened. This is essentially a power struggle between the regimes of the region and all that follows. Nothing more and nothing less.

Anyway I have to go and I won't be on PDF much this week due to obligations but I hope that we can limit our exchanges to something more constructive in the future. Something that we often lack on PDF. Instead we should discuss solutions to grievances, misunderstandings and failed policies rather than engage in trolling. When I say "we", this obviously includes me as well although I do not think that I have been guilty of this in the past 5 weeks.

Mate you raised many good points and I enjoyed reading your post. I read it for two times.

You are right Iranians and Arabs have never fought against each other except 1400 years ago and saddam.

Probably you have fought with Turks (and Mongols) but we two have never fought against each other and always were friendly.

All of the tensions today is due to politics.

We two live besides each other for thirteen centuries without any war or rivaly.

Unfortunately the situation in the world which has changed since 50 years ago, has made us stupid enemy of each other. But we are friends and today's tensions is due to politics, rivalry and nothing else.

We are close to each other in many fields as you mentioned and we could be our good friends, Yes after all both of us are Middle Eastern and have black hair, white skins and aren't that different...
Our government is not your enemy. Our only enemies are Zionists. If you live in Iran for two months u will get it.
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However unfortunately due to extreme views about Shiites in your country and so extremist Saudi regime that know Shiites and Iranians as thier worst enemy and rival (Ultra Pan Arabism...) and those pan arabists prefer semitic Israelis and Zionists 1000 times more over the 'Persian' Iranians.
When king abdullah was so smiling, shaking hands warmly and hugging Ahmadinejad, he was insisting the US to bomb Iran (Persia) and cut the snake's head!

Btw as you said in another thread, a liberal government after Saudi downfall in your country will help the problems solve.

Anyway..... out of politics, many many many Iranians and Arabs are close friends in foreign countries and they don't see each other as rivals or enemies in thier real life. TC Saudi friend

 

[SALMAN F]

Hezbollah and iran have no big deal with israel because the Palestinians who are the ones who killed the shia in Lebanon and Iraq even when the shia supported them this video show their real face these people deserve what happen to them

 

[alarabi]

It's an honor to have Apartheid state of Israel and some despotic Arab dictatorships ganging up against you. Iran should be proud of this. This unholy alliance is a great opportunity for us.

It's been 35 years since Iran created Quds Force which mainly supposed to liberate Alquds and Palestine but the only thing Quds force has done is destroying and killing in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.

 

[SALMAN F]

It's been 35 years since Iran created Quds Force which mainly supposed to liberate Alquds and Palestine but the only thing Quds force has done is destroying and killing in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.

Fakestine is not iran problem nor your problem they are traitors who betrayed thier own land

Yemen and Lebanon are in war before khomeini
Syria you and your media encourged them to revolt against their president so don't be hypocrite

 

[Ceylal]

Can you see this map?

The map is wrong. It does represent the Arab league under the leadership of the Sauds and managed by the Egyptian. North Africa from the the eastern bank of the Nile to the Atlantic are Imazighen (berbers). They are not Arabs. You can't take the position of the prevailing governments and take it as true. Those government do not represent their citizenry but themselves..

 

[Aramagedon]

It's been 35 years since Iran created Quds Force which mainly supposed to liberate Alquds and Palestine but the only thing Quds force has done is destroying and killing in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.

Iran is Shia and these destructions in Muslim countries are due to wahhabism and your rabid wahhabi goons.

 

[Norwegian]

It's been 35 years since Iran created Quds Force which mainly supposed to liberate Alquds and Palestine but the only thing Quds force has done is destroying and killing in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.

Iran also created Hezbollah that kicked the @ss out of Israelis in 2006

Hezbollah and iran have no big deal with israel because the Palestinians who are the ones who killed the shia in Lebanon and Iraq even when the shia supported them this video show their real face these people deserve what happen to them

Typical Palestinian Arabs. They eat the hands that feed them.

 

[SALMAN F]

Iran also created Hezbollah that kicked the @ss out of Israelis in 2006


Typical Palestinian Arabs. They eat the hands that feed them.

Shia israeli war is mistake

Hezbollah didnt kick israel its the other way around the shia paid the ultimate sacrifice because of khamanae and nasrallah

 

[Aramagedon]

Shia israeli war is mistake

Hezbollah didnt kick israel its the other way around the shia paid the ultimate sacrifice because of khamanae and nasrallah

Israel is enemy of either Shias and Sunnis.

Furthermore they can cheat Sunnis very easier than Shias.

 

[Norwegian]

Israel is enemy of either Shias and Sunnis.

Furthermore they can cheat Sunnis very easier than Shias.

Although I support Iranian nationalism under Islamic revolution I would not tolerate conspiracy theories about Israel. Israel has complete freedom of religion. They are not enemies of any religion.