The capabilities of the Egyptian air defense in dealing with low footprint targets and stealth targets

[The SC]

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In principle, no system alone is capable of countering a hostile air threat, especially stealth fighters and fighters that have a low footprint, as systems such as the S-300 and S-400 cannot stand alone against an attack or a hostile air invasion. Does this mean that these systems do not have the ability to deal with stealth targets or targets with a low footprint?

Of course, it has the ability to do so and have excellent capabilities, but doing that alone is almost impossible, because the S-300 and S-400 systems operate within an integrated air defense network, and with full coordination between all systems and early warning radars.

In a clearer sense, to deal with stealth targets requires joint work and effort from all air defense systems and radars, short, medium and long range systems, and all of this is connected and linked to early warning and air surveillance stations, of which there are specialized systems intended for monitoring stealth targets such as VHF radars, passive radars and thermal sensors / Electro-optical means to deal with a hostile stealth target. Work and coordination will be made between all air defense units, systems and radars.

For your information, the Egyptian air defense network is one of the most complex air defense systems in the world, and this complexity is represented in its possession of American, Russian, French, German, British, Chinese, and Egyptian missile systems and radar systems, and all these systems and radars are linked to the command and control network.

During the past 6 years, the air defense has acquired a very strong set of systems and radars that have the ability to detect and deal with targets with a very low footprint and stealthy targets, as all systems are linked and integrated into the main command and control network C4I / C5I.

As for the stealth target counter, it needs radars that have the ability to detect stealthy targets and targets that have a very low footprint, and Egypt has a very strong set of radars and missile systems, most notably the Russian Protivnik-GE early warning radar, which has an air scan range of up to 400 km and altitude up to 200 km, the Rezonans-NE radar above the horizon radar station, which is designed to carry out early warning and air space surveillance missions, it operates in the very high frequency range, which allows the detection of stealth targets in various weather conditions, it has two modes of aerial surveillance with a range of 1100 Km against ballistic missiles, and 600 km against air targets with low and very low radar sections.

Of course, there are many operating radars in the Egyptian air defense system with very respectable ranges, only the most prominent of them were mentioned here, in addition to missile systems that have special air scanning radars, with the most prominent of these systems being the Russian S-300VM long-range air defense system, which has the ability to deal with all air targets in a range of + 250 km and a height of 30 km, it has also a group of very powerful aerial scanning radars with respectable ranges of up to 500 km to detect stealthy targets with a very low footprint, , and has a very large capacity and strong immunity against electronic interference.

In addition to the German IRIS-T SLM air defense system, which is capable of dealing with various air threats in a range of 40 km and an altitude of 20 km, the system has a variety of "German, Swedish and French" radars with ranges of up to 250 km.

The Russian Buk M2E medium-range air defense system, highly effective against ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, anti-radar missiles and various types of aircraft and helicopters, has a range of 45 km and an altitude of 25 km.

The Russian Tor M2E short-range air defense system, highly effective against cruise missiles, various projectiles, aerial munitions, combat aircraft, helicopters and drones, has a range of 15 km and a maximum altitude of 10 km.

All the systems and radars that have been mentioned beside the stations of radars and wireless electronic countermeasures, signal stations and systems and wireless communications are all linked within the main command and control network, and coordination is made between them to deal with hostile targets.

If the radars detect a stealth fighter, the target coordinates are immediately transferred to the missile systems, and the systems track the coordinates and deal with the hostile target, the coordinates are transferred within a highly secure and encrypted communications network, at the same time the command network transmit the coordinates to the air force fighters, and the fighters are directed to the enemy target to deal with it.


https://www.defense-arabic.com/2021/05/30/قدرات-الدفاع-الجوي-المصري-في-التعامل-م/

 

[Titanium100]

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In principle, no system alone is capable of countering a hostile air threat, especially stealth fighters and fighters that have a low footprint, as systems such as the S-300 and S-400 cannot stand alone against an attack or a hostile air invasion. Does this mean that these systems do not have the ability to deal with stealth targets or targets with a low footprint?

Of course, it has the ability to do so and have excellent capabilities, but doing that alone is almost impossible, because the S-300 and S-400 systems operate within an integrated air defense network, and with full coordination between all systems and early warning radars.

In a clearer sense, to deal with stealth targets requires joint work and effort from all air defense systems and radars, short, medium and long range systems, and all of this is connected and linked to early warning and air surveillance stations, of which there are specialized systems intended for monitoring stealth targets such as VHF radars, passive radars and thermal sensors / Electro-optical means to deal with a hostile stealth target. Work and coordination will be made between all air defense units, systems and radars.

For your information, the Egyptian air defense network is one of the most complex air defense systems in the world, and this complication is represented in its possession of American, Russian, French, German, British, Chinese, and Egyptian missile systems and radar systems, and all systems and radars are linked to the command and control network.

During the past 6 years, the air defense has acquired a very strong set of systems and radars that have the ability to detect and deal with targets with a very low footprint and stealthy targets, as all systems are linked and integrated into the main command and control network C4I / C5I.

As for the stealth target counter, it needs radars that have the ability to detect stealthy targets and targets that have a very low footprint, and Egypt has a very strong set of radars and missile systems, most notably the Russian Protivnik-GE early warning radar, which has an air scan range of up to 400 km and altitude up to 200 km, the Rezonans-NE radar above the horizon radar station, which is designed to carry out early warning and air space surveillance missions, it operates in the very high frequency range, which allows the detection of stealth targets in various weather conditions, it has two modes of aerial survey with a range of 1100 Km against ballistic missiles, and 600 km against air targets with low and very low radar sections.

Of course, there are many operating radars in the Egyptian air defense system with very respectable ranges, only the most prominent of them were mentioned here, in addition to missile systems that have special air scanning radars, with the most prominent of these systems being the Russian S-300VM long-range air defense system, which has the ability to deal with all air targets. For a range of + 250 km and a height of 30 km, it has a group of very powerful aerial scanning radars with respectable ranges of up to 500 km to detect stealthy targets with a very low footprint, , and has a very large capacity and strong immunity against electronic interference.

In addition to the German IRIS-T SLM air defense system, which is capable of dealing with various air threats in a range of 40 km and an altitude of 20 km, the system has a variety of "German, Swedish and French" radars with ranges of up to 250 km.

The Russian Buk M2E medium-range air defense system, highly effective against ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, anti-radar missiles and various types of aircraft and helicopters, has a range of 45 km and an altitude of 25 km.

The Russian Tor M2E short-range air defense system, highly effective against cruise missiles, various projectiles, aerial munitions, combat aircraft, helicopters and drones, has a range of 15 km and a maximum altitude of 10 km.

All the systems and radars that have been mentioned beside the stations of radars and wireless for electronic countermeasures, signal stations and systems and wireless communications are all linked within the main command and control network, and coordination is made between them to deal with hostile targets.

If the radars detect a stealth fighter, the target coordinates are immediately transferred to the missile systems, and the systems track the coordinates and deal with the hostile target, the coordinates are transferred within a highly secure and encrypted communications network, at the same time the command network transmit the coordinates to the air force fighters, and the fighters are directed to the enemy target to deal with it.


https://www.defense-arabic.com/2021/05/30/قدرات-الدفاع-الجوي-المصري-في-التعامل-م/

Rarely do we see such great posts

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Impressive post

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Rarely do we see such great posts

It is good education specifically for the PDF community

 

[Titanium100]

It is good education specifically for the PDF community

Indeed

 

[touela]

I cannot stop thinking that no matter how complex your AD systems are, Israel must have thought about how to get through it somehow.
ideally Egypt must develop something on their own and use it if a war break out.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

I cannot stop thinking that no matter how complex your AD systems are, Israel must have thought about how to get through it somehow.
ideally Egypt must develop something on their own and use it if a war break out.

Why does it have to be Israel tho.. It says stealth targets not Israel.. It could be anyone with stealth.. Egypt is facing some foreign security threat like any other country but Israel ain't one of them.. The sole existential threat Egypt is facing is called NATO and it is only logical that the hardware is paired against that.

NATO is not necessarily an enemy to Egypt but it is still an existential threat as it remains the only outside force that can threaten Egypt's existence. It is only logical that Egypt's tech is paired up against that and tailored towards overcoming the sole existential threat

 

[Titanium100]

The sole existential threat Egypt is facing is called NATO and it is only logical that the hardware is paired against that.

NATO is not necessarily an enemy to Egypt but it is still an existential threat as it remains the only outside force that can threaten Egypt's existence. It is only logical that Egypt's tech is paired up against that and tailored towards overcoming the sole existential threat

This has been the sole threat for the last 40 years for Egypt.. I would say NATO is the only existential threat that looms over majority of countries in the world today.. It necessarily doesn't have to be an enemy but the fact alone that it can wage a huge war on your territory makes them lethal and formidble it is just not one but multiple enemy or I would call it a large pack of wolf. Countries avoid miscalculate them and each country finding a counter-measure lifts a huge pressure off their backs

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

This has been the sole threat for the last 40 years for Egypt.. I would say NATO is the only existential threat that looms over majority of countries in the world today.. It necessarily doesn't have to be an enemy but the fact alone that it can wage a huge war on your territory makes them lethal and formidble it is just not one but multiple enemy or I would call it a large pack of wolf. Countries avoid miscalculate them and each country finding a counter-measure lifts a huge pressure off their backs

Egypt could take care of the fighter jets but it also needs to etablish air-dominace against NATO with EW and new 5th or 6th gen fighter jets for the future... The pharonic rule may just return back or history repeat itself..

Just kidding in reality it needs a large alliance if it were to counter NATO that is the only way

 

[The SC]

I cannot stop thinking that no matter how complex your AD systems are, Israel must have thought about how to get through it somehow.
ideally Egypt must develop something on their own and use it if a war break out.

Almost impossible for Usrael to deal with all those radar wavelengths..They might know most of them but they can't predict which ones are on and the ones off.. in a matter of seconds the ons switch off and the offs switch on alternatively.. This is unique to Egypt..

Egypt has developed a lot of weapons but it never brags.. like when it showed a 2D radar while it has developed a 3D one .. just a small example..

 

[Titanium100]

Egypt could take care of the fighter jets but it also needs to etablish air-dominace against NATO with EW and new 5th or 6th gen fighter jets for the future... The pharonic rule may just return back or history repeat itself..

Just kidding in reality it needs a large alliance if it were to counter NATO that is the only way

History could repeat itself in one way.... If the Pharonic rule has the game'ness and coalition.

Example.. You need a large coalition to confront NATO example Russia has been trying this but failed to do so and won't ever be a chellenge for NATO if an actual war were to break out Russia will always be defeated. As Sun-Tzu said every battle is won before it even begins. Russia has lost on all barometers before even the first bullet is fired.

You could gather a team.. Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Algeria, Qatar, Morocco, Bahrain, Turkmenistan, Tunisia, Oman, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Uzebkistan, Jordan, Azerbaijan, Sudan, kyrgyzstan, Egypt, Tajikistan, Bangladesh...

That is 23 able countries you could even expand that coalition to 40+ but it could not only face off with NATO but defeat it in the next 2 decades but not currently as it stands. These countries mentioned need to mature atleast for 2 decades more and most of them are solid and formidble as it stands but they just need further maturing..

Another country who could not only face NATO but defeat it is one country called China.. Despite being one country they are 1.4 billion so they have the manpower to compete with NATO and seems to have matured but still needs 2 decades to mature also

 

[dbc]

Almost impossible for Usrael to deal with all those radar wavelengths..They might know most of them but they can't predict which ones are on and the ones off.. in a matter of seconds the ons switch off and the offs switch on alternatively.. This is unique to Egypt..

Egypt has developed a lot of weapons but it never brags.. like when it showed a 2D radar while it has developed a 3D one .. just a small example..

Passive radar receivers and VHF radar are low fidelity sensors are easily deceived example MALD. First you need a network of passive receivers synched with an atomic clock to do some TDOA computations to have any hope of precise geolocation. This still does nothing to reveal the target type, heading or speed, you still need a X band weapons radar to lock and engage the target. Don't underestimate Israel, they have a lot of experience degrading or destroying enemy air defenses. In this game the attacker always has the initiative.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Passive radar receivers and VHF radar are low fidelity sensors are easily deceived example MALD. First you need a network of passive receivers synched with an atomic clock to do some TDOA computations to have any hope of precise geolocation. This still does nothing to reveal the target type, heading or speed, you still need a X band weapons radar to lock and engage the target. Don't underestimate Israel, they have a lot of experience degrading or destroying enemy air defenses. In this game the attacker always has the initiative.

Egypt doesn't necessarily see them as regional rival but a tiny outpost unlike Turkey, Italy, KSA, etc etc as for the F-35s it can take it out of the skies at will and Egypt is not the only one I would say almost everyone in the region can take it out of the skies except for some none-state actors and militias. F-35s itself is rather overrated just like the Iron dome was previously and I would even say more overrated.. Ancient F4 jets could defeat them in the air..

 

[The SC]

Passive radar receivers and VHF radar are low fidelity sensors are easily deceived example MALD. First you need a network of passive receivers synched with an atomic clock to do some TDOA computations to have any hope of precise geolocation. This still does nothing to reveal the target type, heading or speed, you still need a X band weapons radar to lock and engage the target. Don't underestimate Israel, they have a lot of experience degrading or destroying enemy air defenses. In this game the attacker always has the initiative.

We never underestimate Usrael.. for the simple reason that even if we destroy all their airforce and the rest ,,they will get them replaced in no time to speak of by the US..

This is why you see a manufacturing technological race in the middle east for heavy industrialization.. because no one will supply you indefinitely in times of need..

As for radars Egypt has them covering the whole spectrum.. My post was defense wise.. yours is offense wise.. Usrael for the Arabs is nothing more than a media myth.. they have proven it to the whole world.. advanced or not ..it relies on the US for its survival..

Didn't you go a little too far with atomic clocks.. GPS and satellites can do..

And BTW you can by an atomic clock today off the shelf..even at chip's size..
Miniature Atomic Clock

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

History could repeat itself in one way.... If the Pharonic rule has the game'ness and coalition.

Another country who could not only face NATO but defeat it is one country called China.. Despite being one country they are 1.4 billion so they have the manpower to compete with NATO and seems to have matured but still needs 2 decades to mature also

Nobody is invincible