The botched strike: IAF found with its pants down - Again

[Irfan Baloch]

Hi,

You did not know that---. Supposedly US military satellite saw what happened to the aircraft---but information not released because it would give out location / operational / procedural / working information about the satellite---.

makes sense.
operational secrecy and no benefit in giving away information to a third party.

 

[notorious_eagle]

What happens to an A2A missile after it misses the target? It self destroy after burning out the fuel, that was what happened to the AMRAAM presented by the IAF.

The AIM120 does not self destruct if it misses its target. Take a look at this picture more closely:

The fuse has been lit off and that only happens when the AIM120 hits its target. Now the SU30MKI does not has the capability of a TRD, so this was definitely a hit. To what, only the IAF knows. I mean kudos to the IAF Officer who thought it was a really smart idea to parade an AIM120 with its fuse lit off infront of the media.

There is no evidence whatsoever to prove either F16 or Su 30 shot down that day.. its just fanboys from both side of the boarders who believe in their respective airforce's claims
Hahahaha
You idiot old hag

That is true, we would need concrete undeniable evidence to say with confidence that the SU30MKI was shot down. But then again, the IAF launched a SAR and accidently shot down its chopper right in the middle when the hostilities were hot. What idiot launches a chopper for SAR during the middle of a shooting match and what exactly was the chopper searching for?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Unfortunately there was a corridor of confidence that is long gone. Concrete proof of an Su-30MKI shot down over IOK would have shattered the Indian public's response had the information been released a lot earlier especially in Feb or March or April 2019. Everything else right now is hearsay and it only is built as facts based on a few documentaries and articles. We live in a day and age where R/T and HUD tape excerpts would make things such as evidence a lot more solid if it were to be released to the public.

I strongly but respectfully oppose such move. Pakistan correctly focused on the solid and undeniable facts like their own strikews, downing of Mig 21, capturing and presenting IAF pilot and botched Indian strike on trees and lone crow.
using Multi media and high contrast graphics and video clips to substantiate our SU-20 MKI kill would've also made us red faced and target of ridicule like the Indians who were dressed down in front of the live audience by the visiting American Cristine faire who not only rejected those slides and stills of IAF claiming shooting down PAF F-16 but also questioned the point of presenting all data which makes no sense to general public anyway. that data is more vague and meaningless to ordinary people than an MRI scan or an ECG print out from a hospital.

I am of the view that PAF already shared way too much and we must have been professionally modest. we cant compete Indians in terms of resources, access to technology and international support. so silence and secrecy is the key which is the only thing that favors us. IAF learnt itself its weaknesses and rest thanks to our boasting. man behind the gun and pilot superiority phrases must be banned from our books because there is a limit to what our personnel can do in front of an adversary that has abundance of resources, technology access and options and the necessary clout to nullify our "superior" pilots on subpar machines that are either decades old western machines or mostly Chinese technology which is just about keeping its dignity.

What happens to an A2A missile after it misses the target? It self destroy after burning out the fuel, that was what happened to the AMRAAM presented by the IAF.

There is no evidence whatsoever to prove either F16 or Su 30 shot down that day.. its just fanboys from both side of the boarders who believe in their respective airforce's claims
Hahahaha
You idiot old hag

India insisted on the F-16 kill with the evidence of Mg-21 engine, F-16 chewing tobacco Naswar by tabloid media to IAF officials taking a beating from a pro Indian Christine fare who ridiculed their claims.
Pakistan on the other side never made SU-30 kill as it prime story. and had a take it or leave it attitude towards it.
on the other hand it presented the video feed of its own strike and took the journalists to the crow and trees destroyed by the spice kitted IAF bomb(s).

 

[SecularNationalist]

How can they sleep peacefully at night after killing 40 of their own.
What a soul less nation disguising as human beings.

 

[Talon]

Last year an IAF transport aircraft crashed and it took them days to find the crash site but they managed to find wreckage of a small missile same day? Someone call Deya from CID

The missile was taken out from the butt of the Su-30 as @Windjammer once stated

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

Last year an IAF transport aircraft crashed and it took them days to find the crash site but they managed to find wreckage of a small missile same day? Someone call Deya from CID

The missile was taken out from the butt of the Su-30 as @Windjammer once stated

An32 went down in a state where more than 200 planes went missing in a 4 year period and most are yet to be found even after 75 years.
Whereas AMRAAM crashed right next to a village injuring a village resident, who promptly informed police after which cops came & secured AIM120 wreck and took injured man to a hospital.

It’s beating a dead horse by now but after 2 years Pakistan still has not provided any evidence of ever hitting yet alone downing any MKI. The question becomes, why if Pakistan claimed to hit an MKI they did not release any evidence?
Even F-16.net was forced to admit that their source was only Alan Warnes (a journalist with extremely extremely close ties to PAF for many years)
http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=57254&sid=4d6b2407eba5ac840c3211f2c80decfc

Even Alan Warnes admitted that his AFM article (Su-30 claim ) was entirely copied from PAF Kaiser Tufail blog.


So again, where is proof? It can’t be for “classified” reasons because even Americans often release proof of kills, or at the least the wreckage of kills claimed by America often is found. In Pakistan’s case not only have they not released any proof of anything but no wreckage has ever been found. We know the general area where the MKI was operating but no one found the wreckage, pilots or took video or photos.

So the MKI is 72’ in length, can hold up to 20,700lbs fuel, and can have a maximum take off weight of 76,000lbs but no wreckage? How does an aircraft that large just vanish? How would no one notice a fireball and smoke that would probably rise 500-1000+ feet? Is it a cover up? In that case why India did not cover up the MI-17 downing? India let hostile enemy civilians come up to the wreckage and even take photos. Ironically the MI-17 crashed only 250 metres outside an Indian paramilitary base, yet India could not and did not cover up the wreckage.

So to recap:

No HUD
No radar data
No satellite images of wreckage
No audio release of Indians acknowledging a downing
No identity of downed pilots
No tail number
No wreckage pics
No missing or dead fighter pilots
No smoke plumes or fireball
No photos of any kind
No videos
No witnesses
No acknowledgement from India (both officially or unofficially) of losing any MKI.




Also read this @Hodor @kursed

Recovery of AMRAAM remnants in Reasi. DGP rewards police party; EX VDC member, civilians
Dated : Mar 01, 2019


Jammu, March 01: On 27.02.2019 at about 1015 hours, a telephonic call was received from an Ex-VDC member that due to an explosion caused by an unidentified aerial projectile in village Mamankote Mallas, Tehsil Chassana one person viz Bagh Hussain S/o Ilam Din aged about 30 years R/o Mamankote, Reasi received grievous injuries. On this information, FIR No. 04/2019 u/s 3/5 Explosive Act, 307 RPC dated 27.02.2019 was registered at Police Station Chassana. Immediately a Police Party was rushed to the spot. After reaching the spot, the injured person was provided first aid by an accompanying pharmacist and with the help of locals, police shifted the victim to hospital for further treatment. SI Ali Imran, SHO P/S Chassana stayed back with his team for further investigation. He saw that impact of aerial projectile was so great that splinters were scattered around 50 to 100 mts. and a crater had formed and remnants of projectile were lying adjacent to the crater. Just adjacent to the crater a glass pile was lying. While minutely examining the site, SHO could make out something embedded in the said pile. As he fished it out, it was a body cover metal piece of the projectile weighing approx. 6/7 Kgs. AIM-120C-5, SERNO CC12497, 82577-3819625-104, MFR-15090 CONTRACT FA 8675-05-C-0070, GUIDED MISSILE AAV. Further search of markings on body cover metal piece (AIM-120C-5, SERNO CC12497, 82577-3819625-104, MFR-15090 CONTRACT FA 8675-05-C-0070, GUIDED MISSILE AAV) through open source information revealed that AIM-120C is an AMRAAM used by select category of Fighter planes including some used by Pakistan. Realizing the importance of the seizure, their digital pictures were immediately taken and shared with senior formations of the police which then was further shared with other agencies. Other components which were seized from the site were BATTERY 02 NO. RAYTHEON COMPANY, THERMAL BATTERY LI EAP-120115B, ONE SMALL PIECE BELONGING TO RAYTHEON COMPANY C/G, MISSILE, SECTION, MISSILE WPU-16/B; SOME SMALL PIECES OF PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARD (PCB) TOTAL IN NO. 7/8 PIECES, WARNING- HIGH VOLTAGE, NO. JU-44 & TB1; BATTERY TRANSMITTER = 01 PIECE, MADE IN THE USA, CERAMIC CAPACITOR + 4/5 PIECES, CECO, LLC, SCRAP PIECES WEIGHING APPROX. 4/8 KGS. ABOUT 90/100 PIECES.
The time of occurrence coincided with the time when there was an alert on account of reports of attempt of incursions made into the Indian Territory by fighter planes of neighbouring country in the twin districts of Poonch and Rajouri thereby clearly establishing that Pakistan had used F-16 Fighter Planes while attempting incursions inside Indian Territory. As expert opinion into the recovery was required. Hence, as per directions of senior officers the seized material were handed over to local military representatives for further investigation of the seized material.
Senior Police Officers took no time to realize the importance of valuable information evidence and ensured its collection and sharing at all appropriate levels.
Medical and paramedical assistance for the injured civilians has been arranged and the police party comprising the following:

1. Sub Inspector Ali Imran
2. HC Mohd. Iqbal
3. SgCt. Mohidin
4. SPO Bashir Ahmed
5. SPO Rash Pal Singh
6. SPO Rajinder Singh
have been given commendation and cash reward by the DGP for their prompt response to the incident and collection and seizure of relevant data and missile remnants which were shared with local army formations without any loss of time.
The civilian injured person namely Bagh Hussain S/o Ilam Din, the ex-VDC member and another civilian are also suitable rewarded for timely reporting in the case.

https://www.jkpnewsportal.in/newsdet.aspx?q=2123

 

[The Eagle]

An32 went down in a state where more than 200 planes went missing in a 4 year period and most are yet to be found even after 75 years.
Whereas AMRAAM crashed right next to a village injuring a village resident, who promptly informed police after which cops came & secured AIM120 wreck and took injured man to a hospital.

It’s beating a dead horse by now but after 2 years Pakistan still has not provided any evidence of ever hitting yet alone downing any MKI. The question becomes, why if Pakistan claimed to hit an MKI they did not release any evidence?
Even F-16.net was forced to admit that their source was only Alan Warnes (a journalist with extremely extremely close ties to PAF for many years)
http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=57254&sid=4d6b2407eba5ac840c3211f2c80decfc

Even Alan Warnes admitted that his AFM article (Su-30 claim ) was entirely copied from PAF Kaiser Tufail blog.


So again, where is proof? It can’t be for “classified” reasons because even Americans often release proof of kills, or at the least the wreckage of kills claimed by America often is found. In Pakistan’s case not only have they not released any proof of anything but no wreckage has ever been found. We know the general area where the MKI was operating but no one found the wreckage, pilots or took video or photos.

So the MKI is 72’ in length, can hold up to 20,700lbs fuel, and can have a maximum take off weight of 76,000lbs but no wreckage? How does an aircraft that large just vanish? How would no one notice a fireball and smoke that would probably rise 500-1000+ feet? Is it a cover up? In that case why India did not cover up the MI-17 downing? India let hostile enemy civilians come up to the wreckage and even take photos. Ironically the MI-17 crashed only 250 metres outside an Indian paramilitary base, yet India could not and did not cover up the wreckage.

So to recap:

No HUD
No radar data
No satellite images of wreckage
No audio release of Indians acknowledging a downing
No identity of downed pilots
No tail number
No wreckage pics
No missing or dead fighter pilots
No smoke plumes or fireball
No photos of any kind
No videos
No witnesses
No acknowledgement from India (both officially or unofficially) of losing any MKI.




Also read this @Hodor @kursed

Recovery of AMRAAM remnants in Reasi. DGP rewards police party; EX VDC member, civilians
Dated : Mar 01, 2019


Jammu, March 01: On 27.02.2019 at about 1015 hours, a telephonic call was received from an Ex-VDC member that due to an explosion caused by an unidentified aerial projectile in village Mamankote Mallas, Tehsil Chassana one person viz Bagh Hussain S/o Ilam Din aged about 30 years R/o Mamankote, Reasi received grievous injuries. On this information, FIR No. 04/2019 u/s 3/5 Explosive Act, 307 RPC dated 27.02.2019 was registered at Police Station Chassana. Immediately a Police Party was rushed to the spot. After reaching the spot, the injured person was provided first aid by an accompanying pharmacist and with the help of locals, police shifted the victim to hospital for further treatment. SI Ali Imran, SHO P/S Chassana stayed back with his team for further investigation. He saw that impact of aerial projectile was so great that splinters were scattered around 50 to 100 mts. and a crater had formed and remnants of projectile were lying adjacent to the crater. Just adjacent to the crater a glass pile was lying. While minutely examining the site, SHO could make out something embedded in the said pile. As he fished it out, it was a body cover metal piece of the projectile weighing approx. 6/7 Kgs. AIM-120C-5, SERNO CC12497, 82577-3819625-104, MFR-15090 CONTRACT FA 8675-05-C-0070, GUIDED MISSILE AAV. Further search of markings on body cover metal piece (AIM-120C-5, SERNO CC12497, 82577-3819625-104, MFR-15090 CONTRACT FA 8675-05-C-0070, GUIDED MISSILE AAV) through open source information revealed that AIM-120C is an AMRAAM used by select category of Fighter planes including some used by Pakistan. Realizing the importance of the seizure, their digital pictures were immediately taken and shared with senior formations of the police which then was further shared with other agencies. Other components which were seized from the site were BATTERY 02 NO. RAYTHEON COMPANY, THERMAL BATTERY LI EAP-120115B, ONE SMALL PIECE BELONGING TO RAYTHEON COMPANY C/G, MISSILE, SECTION, MISSILE WPU-16/B; SOME SMALL PIECES OF PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARD (PCB) TOTAL IN NO. 7/8 PIECES, WARNING- HIGH VOLTAGE, NO. JU-44 & TB1; BATTERY TRANSMITTER = 01 PIECE, MADE IN THE USA, CERAMIC CAPACITOR + 4/5 PIECES, CECO, LLC, SCRAP PIECES WEIGHING APPROX. 4/8 KGS. ABOUT 90/100 PIECES.
The time of occurrence coincided with the time when there was an alert on account of reports of attempt of incursions made into the Indian Territory by fighter planes of neighbouring country in the twin districts of Poonch and Rajouri thereby clearly establishing that Pakistan had used F-16 Fighter Planes while attempting incursions inside Indian Territory. As expert opinion into the recovery was required. Hence, as per directions of senior officers the seized material were handed over to local military representatives for further investigation of the seized material.
Senior Police Officers took no time to realize the importance of valuable information evidence and ensured its collection and sharing at all appropriate levels.
Medical and paramedical assistance for the injured civilians has been arranged and the police party comprising the following:

1. Sub Inspector Ali Imran
2. HC Mohd. Iqbal
3. SgCt. Mohidin
4. SPO Bashir Ahmed
5. SPO Rash Pal Singh
6. SPO Rajinder Singh
have been given commendation and cash reward by the DGP for their prompt response to the incident and collection and seizure of relevant data and missile remnants which were shared with local army formations without any loss of time.
The civilian injured person namely Bagh Hussain S/o Ilam Din, the ex-VDC member and another civilian are also suitable rewarded for timely reporting in the case.

https://www.jkpnewsportal.in/newsdet.aspx?q=2123

Sharing a news piece from a propaganda news site of so-called police dating back to 01.03.2019? However, can you share the time difference to Delhi & thereby a press conference by IAF showing the same piece which was found at 10:15 hrs..as claimed. I am also sure the all the document process and reporting would have taken good couple of hours along with by road traveling from Tehsil Chassana to nearest HQ and then informing the authorities and so on to the time when IAF showed the piece which they must have received hours before press conference. Any logical calculation based upon distance, resources, travel means, process etc would be really appreciated.

 

[ziaulislam]

All experts beleive that india missed while claiming that didnt, pakistan missed while claiming that did on purpose, mig21 shot, mi17 shot and 6 indian soldier and a few trees dead..

Then we have a jammed mig21, frantically screaming IAF operator to jammed mig21 as well

Lastly, we have an unverified su30, a blownup AIM120 and ridiculous f16 claim.

anyone who still is in lala land can stay there

Pretty much sums up everything

 

[SQ8]

They literally provide 0 benefit, only negatives to the world.

I disagree - A brain tumor in the Indian collective doesn’t mean the entire body is bad. Pakistan provided nothing but booms until the 2010s.

Just because we as a military power are showing greater maturity doesn’t mean we don’t have our faults too.
Let not go there.

 

[SQ8]

Sharing a news piece from a propaganda news site of so-called police dating back to 01.03.2019? However, can you share the time difference to Delhi & thereby a press conference by IAF showing the same piece which was found at 10:15 hrs..as claimed. I am also sure the all the document process and reporting would have taken good couple of hours along with by road traveling from Tehsil Chassana to nearest HQ and then informing the authorities and so on to the time when IAF showed the piece which they must have received hours before press conference. Any logical calculation based upon distance, resources, travel means, process etc would be really appreciated.

After the fact reports tend to have such omissions. However, Ill repeat what I have always said - Pakistanis will have no reason to convince an Indian that they have problems. Because those are the problems that has them slapped around the sky when they come in chest hot from cigarette smoking all night from nervousness.

Pakistan needs their national mindset to be delusional and locked in a constant battle to prove themselves as superior no matter what the moral, ethical or life cost. It is to Pakistani advantage that Indians continue to be this way.

 

[Windjammer]

Last year an IAF transport aircraft crashed and it took them days to find the crash site but they managed to find wreckage of a small missile same day? Someone call Deya from CID

The missile was taken out from the butt of the Su-30 as @Windjammer once stated

Even during this clash, sitting in Delhi, within 24 hours, the Indians were able to determine the number of militants killed inside the Balakot seminary but it took them 8 months to conclude own goal with Mi-17 which happened in their back yard.
Once Indians considered SU-30 the best thing since cow cola now seldom see it as their saving grace.

 

[SQ8]

Even during this clash, sitting in Delhi, within 24 hours, the Indians were able to determine the number of militants killed inside the Balakot seminary but it took them 8 months to conclude own goal with Mi-17 which happened in their back yard.
Once Indians considered SU-30 the best thing since cow cola now seldom see it as their saving grace.

And that is exactly how Pakistan should want them to be - actually worse. Because within that self deceit and disinformation they will start becoming complacent. Pakistan doesn’t, it trains for a superior foe with superior weapons and competent training - so when it does face the Indian it is never surprised but continues to surprise them.

The only danger is that they are writing the death of the subcontinent - themselves and Pakistan.

 

[Windjammer]

An32 went down in a state where more than 200 planes went missing in a 4 year period and most are yet to be found even after 75 years.
Whereas AMRAAM crashed right next to a village injuring a village resident, who promptly informed police after which cops came & secured AIM120 wreck and took injured man to a hospital.

It’s beating a dead horse by now but after 2 years Pakistan still has not provided any evidence of ever hitting yet alone downing any MKI. The question becomes, why if Pakistan claimed to hit an MKI they did not release any evidence?
Even F-16.net was forced to admit that their source was only Alan Warnes (a journalist with extremely extremely close ties to PAF for many years)
http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=57254&sid=4d6b2407eba5ac840c3211f2c80decfc

Even Alan Warnes admitted that his AFM article (Su-30 claim ) was entirely copied from PAF Kaiser Tufail blog.


So again, where is proof? It can’t be for “classified” reasons because even Americans often release proof of kills, or at the least the wreckage of kills claimed by America often is found. In Pakistan’s case not only have they not released any proof of anything but no wreckage has ever been found. We know the general area where the MKI was operating but no one found the wreckage, pilots or took video or photos.

So the MKI is 72’ in length, can hold up to 20,700lbs fuel, and can have a maximum take off weight of 76,000lbs but no wreckage? How does an aircraft that large just vanish? How would no one notice a fireball and smoke that would probably rise 500-1000+ feet? Is it a cover up? In that case why India did not cover up the MI-17 downing? India let hostile enemy civilians come up to the wreckage and even take photos. Ironically the MI-17 crashed only 250 metres outside an Indian paramilitary base, yet India could not and did not cover up the wreckage.

So to recap:

No HUD
No radar data
No satellite images of wreckage
No audio release of Indians acknowledging a downing
No identity of downed pilots
No tail number
No wreckage pics
No missing or dead fighter pilots
No smoke plumes or fireball
No photos of any kind
No videos
No witnesses
No acknowledgement from India (both officially or unofficially) of losing any MKI.




Also read this @Hodor @kursed

Recovery of AMRAAM remnants in Reasi. DGP rewards police party; EX VDC member, civilians
Dated : Mar 01, 2019


Jammu, March 01: On 27.02.2019 at about 1015 hours, a telephonic call was received from an Ex-VDC member that due to an explosion caused by an unidentified aerial projectile in village Mamankote Mallas, Tehsil Chassana one person viz Bagh Hussain S/o Ilam Din aged about 30 years R/o Mamankote, Reasi received grievous injuries. On this information, FIR No. 04/2019 u/s 3/5 Explosive Act, 307 RPC dated 27.02.2019 was registered at Police Station Chassana. Immediately a Police Party was rushed to the spot. After reaching the spot, the injured person was provided first aid by an accompanying pharmacist and with the help of locals, police shifted the victim to hospital for further treatment. SI Ali Imran, SHO P/S Chassana stayed back with his team for further investigation. He saw that impact of aerial projectile was so great that splinters were scattered around 50 to 100 mts. and a crater had formed and remnants of projectile were lying adjacent to the crater. Just adjacent to the crater a glass pile was lying. While minutely examining the site, SHO could make out something embedded in the said pile. As he fished it out, it was a body cover metal piece of the projectile weighing approx. 6/7 Kgs. AIM-120C-5, SERNO CC12497, 82577-3819625-104, MFR-15090 CONTRACT FA 8675-05-C-0070, GUIDED MISSILE AAV. Further search of markings on body cover metal piece (AIM-120C-5, SERNO CC12497, 82577-3819625-104, MFR-15090 CONTRACT FA 8675-05-C-0070, GUIDED MISSILE AAV) through open source information revealed that AIM-120C is an AMRAAM used by select category of Fighter planes including some used by Pakistan. Realizing the importance of the seizure, their digital pictures were immediately taken and shared with senior formations of the police which then was further shared with other agencies. Other components which were seized from the site were BATTERY 02 NO. RAYTHEON COMPANY, THERMAL BATTERY LI EAP-120115B, ONE SMALL PIECE BELONGING TO RAYTHEON COMPANY C/G, MISSILE, SECTION, MISSILE WPU-16/B; SOME SMALL PIECES OF PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARD (PCB) TOTAL IN NO. 7/8 PIECES, WARNING- HIGH VOLTAGE, NO. JU-44 & TB1; BATTERY TRANSMITTER = 01 PIECE, MADE IN THE USA, CERAMIC CAPACITOR + 4/5 PIECES, CECO, LLC, SCRAP PIECES WEIGHING APPROX. 4/8 KGS. ABOUT 90/100 PIECES.
The time of occurrence coincided with the time when there was an alert on account of reports of attempt of incursions made into the Indian Territory by fighter planes of neighbouring country in the twin districts of Poonch and Rajouri thereby clearly establishing that Pakistan had used F-16 Fighter Planes while attempting incursions inside Indian Territory. As expert opinion into the recovery was required. Hence, as per directions of senior officers the seized material were handed over to local military representatives for further investigation of the seized material.
Senior Police Officers took no time to realize the importance of valuable information evidence and ensured its collection and sharing at all appropriate levels.
Medical and paramedical assistance for the injured civilians has been arranged and the police party comprising the following:

1. Sub Inspector Ali Imran
2. HC Mohd. Iqbal
3. SgCt. Mohidin
4. SPO Bashir Ahmed
5. SPO Rash Pal Singh
6. SPO Rajinder Singh
have been given commendation and cash reward by the DGP for their prompt response to the incident and collection and seizure of relevant data and missile remnants which were shared with local army formations without any loss of time.
The civilian injured person namely Bagh Hussain S/o Ilam Din, the ex-VDC member and another civilian are also suitable rewarded for timely reporting in the case.

https://www.jkpnewsportal.in/newsdet.aspx?q=2123

As Christine Fair said in India that when someone tries to use too much details technical or otherwise, it's obvious they are trying to hide something and also in your case, in our part of the world, it's called.... ''Chor Machaye Shor''.

 

[Saudang]

The AIM120 does not self destruct if it misses its target. Take a look at this picture more closely:

View attachment 708312

The fuse has been lit off and that only happens when the AIM120 hits its target. Now the SU30MKI does not has the capability of a TRD, so this was definitely a hit. To what, only the IAF knows. I mean kudos to the IAF Officer who thought it was a really smart idea to parade an AIM120 with its fuse lit off infront of the media.



That is true, we would need concrete undeniable evidence to say with confidence that the SU30MKI was shot down. But then again, the IAF launched a SAR and accidently shot down its chopper right in the middle when the hostilities were hot. What idiot launches a chopper for SAR during the middle of a shooting match and what exactly was the chopper searching for?

Yes sir you are right

 

[The Eagle]

Recovery of AMRAAM remnants in Reasi. DGP rewards police party; EX VDC member, civilians
Dated : Mar 01, 2019


Jammu, March 01: On 27.02.2019 at about 1015 hours, a telephonic call was received from an Ex-VDC member that due to an explosion caused by an unidentified aerial projectile in village Mamankote Mallas, Tehsil Chassana one person viz Bagh Hussain S/o Ilam Din aged about 30 years R/o Mamankote, Reasi received grievous injuries. On this information, FIR No. 04/2019 u/s 3/5 Explosive Act, 307 RPC dated 27.02.2019 was registered at Police Station Chassana. Immediately a Police Party was rushed to the spot. After reaching the spot, the injured person was provided first aid by an accompanying pharmacist and with the help of locals, police shifted the victim to hospital for further treatment. SI Ali Imran, SHO P/S Chassana stayed back with his team for further investigation. He saw that impact of aerial projectile was so great that splinters were scattered around 50 to 100 mts. and a crater had formed and remnants of projectile were lying adjacent to the crater. Just adjacent to the crater a glass pile was lying. While minutely examining the site, SHO could make out something embedded in the said pile. As he fished it out, it was a body cover metal piece of the projectile weighing approx. 6/7 Kgs. AIM-120C-5, SERNO CC12497, 82577-3819625-104, MFR-15090 CONTRACT FA 8675-05-C-0070, GUIDED MISSILE AAV. Further search of markings on body cover metal piece (AIM-120C-5, SERNO CC12497, 82577-3819625-104, MFR-15090 CONTRACT FA 8675-05-C-0070, GUIDED MISSILE AAV) through open source information revealed that AIM-120C is an AMRAAM used by select category of Fighter planes including some used by Pakistan. Realizing the importance of the seizure, their digital pictures were immediately taken and shared with senior formations of the police which then was further shared with other agencies. Other components which were seized from the site were BATTERY 02 NO. RAYTHEON COMPANY, THERMAL BATTERY LI EAP-120115B, ONE SMALL PIECE BELONGING TO RAYTHEON COMPANY C/G, MISSILE, SECTION, MISSILE WPU-16/B; SOME SMALL PIECES OF PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARD (PCB) TOTAL IN NO. 7/8 PIECES, WARNING- HIGH VOLTAGE, NO. JU-44 & TB1; BATTERY TRANSMITTER = 01 PIECE, MADE IN THE USA, CERAMIC CAPACITOR + 4/5 PIECES, CECO, LLC, SCRAP PIECES WEIGHING APPROX. 4/8 KGS. ABOUT 90/100 PIECES.
The time of occurrence coincided with the time when there was an alert on account of reports of attempt of incursions made into the Indian Territory by fighter planes of neighbouring country in the twin districts of Poonch and Rajouri thereby clearly establishing that Pakistan had used F-16 Fighter Planes while attempting incursions inside Indian Territory. As expert opinion into the recovery was required. Hence, as per directions of senior officers the seized material were handed over to local military representatives for further investigation of the seized material.
Senior Police Officers took no time to realize the importance of valuable information evidence and ensured its collection and sharing at all appropriate levels.
Medical and paramedical assistance for the injured civilians has been arranged and the police party comprising the following:

1. Sub Inspector Ali Imran
2. HC Mohd. Iqbal
3. SgCt. Mohidin
4. SPO Bashir Ahmed
5. SPO Rash Pal Singh
6. SPO Rajinder Singh
have been given commendation and cash reward by the DGP for their prompt response to the incident and collection and seizure of relevant data and missile remnants which were shared with local army formations without any loss of time.
The civilian injured person namely Bagh Hussain S/o Ilam Din, the ex-VDC member and another civilian are also suitable rewarded for timely reporting in the case.

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I must thank you for sharing such a gem of information for my knowledge and [ushing me to make some efforts to dig into some more information based upon OSINT. Let's just begin with geography/locations of some villages including the one where the AMRAAM was found along with geographical evidence based upon Districts/Tehsil and location along with the details you shared.

Tehsil Chassana is a part of Reasi. Chassana village is located in Gool Gulabgarh Tehsil of Reasi district in Jammu & Kashmir. The total geographical area of village is 986.6 hectares.

Interestingly. Rajouri is nearest town to Chassana which is approximately 179km away which is in-fact a driving distance and would be different than a direct fly path. A rough estimate if I may say.

So, the piece of that AMRAAM Aim-120C5 was found in Chassana village, district Reasi which is close to only town namely Rajouri. I am sure you will agree with the points as above which are official and as per google as well. A rough estimate of a direct fly path from Chassana Village, Reasi to Rajouri shows that 21.70 Miles or 34.92 KM maximum (rough estimate).

Now, we have an Indian news ABP clip whereby a news media outlet records interview of eye witnesses most probably from IOJ&K Nowshera (as that what the media person said during interview). I am not even mentioning the RT with PAF which pretty much validates as what really happened to ill fated SU-30 MKI. Interestingly, these eye witnesses saw an IAF A/C coming in from Rajouri side and flying towards LoC but they saw taking a hit and going down in Peer Baba/Bhawani-B side while pointing. Mind you, people do point towards a certain location in reference to some famous point even if that is far ahead, merely to draw a path/way or as a guiding point. Surely, no one can exactly pin point the location merely by looking at some projectile coming down in far area. This video is here with detail of an eye witness account for 2nd IAF loss. The places mentioned & reference recorded are nowhere close to IAF MiG-21 Bison (Abhinandan) crash site. This finding and important information by ABP News was also shot down by India or avoided/censored deliberately to cover an extra loss on that day, the SU-30 MKI.

Indian eyewitness discloses the other IAF plane loss on 27th February, 2019. | Indian eyewitness discloses the other IAF plane loss on 27th February, 2019. Was it IAF SU-30 MKI being shot by PAF? Eyewitness from Indian side of LoC... | By Pakistan D

Indian eyewitness discloses the other IAF plane loss on 27th February, 2019. Was it IAF SU-30 MKI being shot by PAF? Eyewitness from Indian side of LoC...

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Now we have another mention of Bhawani B (Locality Name : Bhawani-b ( Bhawani-बी ), Block Name : Nowshera, District : Rajauri) which does fall within Rajouri district.

In reference to what Eye Witnesses said and as the Indian Media claims that IOJ&K Police recovered the debris of AIM-120C5 AMRAAM of PAF from Chassani village, here I try to make some rough estimate with an exception of human error for me as well as for the eye witness that nobody as such can exactly point the area merely by looking in a direction. Since, these are locals so they at-least tried to show some pathway as where the IAF 2nd jet went down.

Since, the crash was reported and IAF had to go on SAR, Mi-17V5 was launched which was targeted by Indian Air Defence on outskirts of Budgam with 6 onboard (fratricide). If we pay attention then it had the same trajectory fly path to which IAF A/C previously flew as per Eye Witness but got a hit and returned.

Even if these sites are far and not in same direction the eye witness mentioned, what really happened in that area of Bhoani or Bhawani B, Sher Makri and between Rajouri to Nowshera. Mind you, these places are not inside Azad Kashmir but in-fact IOJ&K. Here is what Hindustan Times has to say...

Another news says

“There is enough evidence to show that F-16s were used in this mission through their electronic signatures. Parts of AMRAAM air-to-air missile, which is carried only on the F-16s, was recovered east of Rajouri within Indian territory,” Air Vice Marshal R.G.K. Kapoor told reporters.

Again the Nowshera Sector...

This news peace was also taken down immediately.