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The 1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre Is a Myth: British “Black Information Operation”
By Gregory Clark
Global Research, June 07, 2015
International Business Times 4 June 2014

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June 4, 2015 will for many mark the 26th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre.

What it should actually mark is the anniversary of one of the more spectacular UK black information operations — almost on a par with the mythical Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

The original story of Chinese troops on the night of 3 and 4 June, 1989 machine-gunning hundreds of innocent student protesters in Beijing’s iconic Tiananmen Square has since been thoroughly discredited by the many witnesses there at the time — among them a Spanish TVE television crew, a Reuters correspondent and protesters themselves, who say that nothing happened other than a military unit entering and asking several hundred of those remaining to leave the Square late that night.

Yet none of this has stopped the massacre from being revived constantly, and believed. All that has happened is that the location has been changed – from the Square itself to the streets leading to the Square.

The original story began with a long article in English, published six days later in Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post, by an alleged protester whose whereabouts have never been ascertained. Anonymously planted stories are a favourite technique of UK black information authorities, but this did not stop it from being front-paged by the New York Times on June 12, together with photos of blazing troop-carrying buses and followed up by Tankman – the photo of a lone student allegedly trying to stop a row of army tanks from entering the Square. The myth of an unprovoked massacre has since taken root.

True, no one denies that large numbers of citizens and students were killed near the Square by soldiers seemingly out of control. But why?

Let’s go back to those photos of the burning buses. The popular view is that they were torched by angry protesters after the shooting began. In fact they were torched before. The evidence? Reports of charred corpses being strung up beneath overpasses (one photographed by Reuters remains unpublished), and photos of badly burned soldiers seeking shelter in nearby houses. Soldiers in that kind of situation tend to go out with guns blazing – just ask the good citizens of Fallujah, Iraq.

Fortunately we also have the hourly reports from the US Embassy in the Beijing, available on the Internet, to tell us what actually happened. They note that originally the Beijing authorities had wanted to send in unarmed troops to clear the Square of remaining students as the protests were beginning to wind down. Blocked by the crowds, armed troops were bused in and this time they were blocked by crowds with petrol bombs, with ugly results. Even so, some units tried to restrain the out-of-control solders. And an embassy report of students killing a soldier trying to enter the Square could explain some of the carnage on its periphery.

As for Tankman, we now know from the cameraman himself that his widely-publicised photo was taken from his hotel window the day AFTER the riots, and the tanks were going away from, not into, the Square.

A detailed report by the authoritative Columbia Journalist Review, ‘The Tiananmen Massacre Myth and the Price of a Passive Press’ has since noted the media preference for blood and gore stories. But none of this seems to have dented the credibility of the Tiananmen massacre story.

True, some of the blame also lies with Beijing. Its campaigns to hunt down student protest leaders and to blame everything on anti-regime plots have not created a good impression. But it may have its reasons. Out of frustration as their long protest began to dissipate, some of the student leaders had called for action by the angry crowds still around the Square. And how did some in those crowds have access to petrol bombs – a weapon not used by Chinese rioters and allegedly responsible for over 400 vehicles being destroyed?

The regime had tolerated the protesters by allowing them to occupy its central square for six weeks. Its party general secretary had tried in vain to negotiate with them. And it later regretted how its lack of crowd control equipment meant it had had to rely on untrained soldiers. But then again, none of this would have happened if the regime itself had not been at fault in the past.

The words of well-known Taiwan-born writer Hou Dejian, who had been on the hunger strike on the Square to show solidarity with the students, says it all: “Some people said that 200 died in the Square and others claimed that as many as 2,000 died. There were also stories of tanks running over students who were trying to leave. I have to say that I did not see any of that. I myself was in the Square until 6:30 in the morning.

“I kept thinking — are we going to use lies to attack an enemy who lies?”

Gregory Clark is a former Australian diplomat, Chinese-speaking correspondent and university president resident in Japan. He can be found at www.gregoryclark.net. The views expressed in this article do not necessarily represent those ofIBTimes UK

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i don't think the younger lot of chinese pdf members would know of this or sadly be caring about this... china should go back to proper socialism or risk having a "color revolution"... it is not good seeing china society more capitalist than usa's and rather on stand-away mode regarding dprk.
 
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China is not more capitalist than USA.

China's elite corporations are still state owned, but can the same be proclaimed for USA?

the chinese state has "reformed" in and brought a facade of "development" - flyovers, the largest car market, the largest cell phone market - essentially consumerism, capitalism and chaos... but is this real development when many chinese pdf members boast about having the costliest houses in the world?? any proper socialist system will provide quality housing as a free right, not as a commodity around which stock markets play with numbers.

didn't a boy sell his kidney to buy a cell phone?? and there was the article about a 32-hour queue in china in front of a iphone store... means that the chinese state has not brought actual socialist thought to the masses.

it is the pla and cpc ( which helped dprk in the korea war ) that has made prc to be powerful and influential now, but the only pdf chinese member who spoke of learning from socialism was aurelius something... he is not to be seen lately.

i see china society as more nationalist than socialist... tell me if i am wrong. :-)
 
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the chinese state has "reformed" in and brought a facade of "development" - flyovers, the largest car market, the largest cell phone market - essentially consumerism, capitalism and chaos... but is this real development when many chinese pdf members boast about having the costliest houses in the world?? any proper socialist system will provide quality housing as a free right, not as a commodity around which stock markets play with numbers.

didn't a boy sell his kidney to buy a cell phone?? and there was the article about a 32-hour queue in china in front of a iphone store... means that the chinese state has not brought actual socialist thought to the masses.

it is the pla and cpc which helped dprk in the korea war, that has made prc to be powerful and influential now, but the only pdf chinese member who spoke of learning from socialism was aurelius something... he is not to be seen lately.

i see china society as more nationalist than socialist... tell me if i am wrong. :-)

Your brain has filled with those anti-China propaganda sh1t, it is fruitless to discuss with you.
 
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Your brain has filled with those anti-China propaganda sh1t, it is fruitless to discuss with you.

my friend, you think me wrong... i am socialist and above is what i see... please don't judge me from my two lower flags... look at the flag i carry in my profile-picture.

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@Chinese-Dragon ... your take on all this??
 
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the chinese state has "reformed" in and brought a facade of "development" - flyovers, the largest car market, the largest cell phone market - essentially consumerism, capitalism and chaos... but is this real development when many chinese pdf members boast about having the costliest houses in the world?? any proper socialist system will provide quality housing as a free right, not as a commodity around which stock markets play with numbers.

But China is also a nation with one of the highest home-ownership rates in the world.

There are gigantic public-hosing programs going on as we speak. China is still a Marxist society and sees housing as a basic human right.

didn't a boy sell his kidney to buy a cell phone?? and there was the article about a 32-hour queue in china in front of a iphone store... means that the chinese state has not brought actual socialist thought to the masses.

These are sporadic (extreme) events highlighted by the West. That phone is a big seller in China, yes, but, there are also many others that think phone is just a phone and it is silly to line up in front of a store to get something that will be out of fashion in couple of months.

This is human nature. One of the reasons the ancient Silk Road is formed was people's desire for fashionable wear.

it is the pla and cpc ( which helped dprk in the korea war ) that has made prc to be powerful and influential now, but the only pdf chinese member who spoke of learning from socialism was aurelius something... he is not to be seen lately.

Do not judge China by what you see here. Marxist thinking is deeply ingrained in China, and that's hundreds of years before Marx was born. But the world is so connected and, unfortunately, there are prevailing paradigms. You cannot simply isolate yourself, you have to play by their rules while protecting your own core.
 
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About 300,many of whom were soldiers,some students,and most mobsters and looters(who deserved death:devil:),died in the incident。

I am THE authorative source on this。

Page turned,chapter closed。
 
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its a western propaganda's fine work, nothing more, we had been through that period, and we know what actually happened``
anyone with a genuine heart would know, the disgusting western propaganda machine did this dirty work, and the lies became 'thruth'
 
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its a western propaganda's fine work, nothing more, we had been through that period, and we know what actually happened``
anyone with a genuine heart would know, the disgusting western propaganda machine did this dirty work, and the lies became 'thruth'

Who cares what others think or believe. I live in now and I care about "now". I 'now' look at China and India and see where the success lies and where the failure lies.

To me, the TS myth is long dead. What is real is the massacre going on in India right now right there.

But we are impressed they are more concerned about our 25 years past than their today. Indians!
 
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I guess, the more they get obsessed with us, the more disinterested we become in them/their condition.

Who remembers how many Indian kids died last year from malnutrition, dirt and infectious diseases. Who remembers the 2 million that die annually?

They have democracy, they don't care.
 
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But China is also a nation with one of the highest home-ownership rates in the world.

even india has that fact, but people here give 10 to 20 years of their life repaying the loan they took to build their house or buy a flat, and to make that money they become wage-slaves ( do jobs ).

There are gigantic public-hosing programs going on as we speak. China is still a Marxist society and sees housing as a basic human right.

can you give links for those two things??

there are also many others that think phone is just a phone and it is silly to line up in front of a store to get something that will be out of fashion in couple of months.

understood.

This is human nature. One of the reasons the ancient Silk Road is formed was people's desire for fashionable wear.

stylish or fine clothing is different from frivolous things like cell phone.

:welcome:Backward Indian living in slum and rape-kingdom criticize Chine.

I guess, the more they get obsessed with us, the more disinterested we become in them/their condition.

Who remembers how many Indian kids died last year from malnutrition, dirt and infectious diseases. Who remembers the 2 million that die annually?

my friend, you think me wrong... i am socialist and above is what i see... please don't judge me from my two lower flags... look at the flag i carry in my profile-picture.


I opened this thread last year...

Remembrance:Tiananmen Square Anniversary

go through it.it has some rare photographs taken on that day.

is this photo deliberate in promoting capitalism over socialism??
First....Hong Kong...

students remembering that fateless day..

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But China is also a nation with one of the highest home-ownership rates in the world.

There are gigantic public-hosing programs going on as we speak. China is still a Marxist society and sees housing as a basic human right.



These are sporadic (extreme) events highlighted by the West. That phone is a big seller in China, yes, but, there are also many others that think phone is just a phone and it is silly to line up in front of a store to get something that will be out of fashion in couple of months.

This is human nature. One of the reasons the ancient Silk Road is formed was people's desire for fashionable wear.



Do not judge China by what you see here. Marxist thinking is deeply ingrained in China, and that's hundreds of years before Marx was born. But the world is so connected and, unfortunately, there are prevailing paradigms. You cannot simply isolate yourself, you have to play by their rules while protecting your own core.

Weird vast majority of Indians also don't like this commie plz don't take his commie views as standard view of Indians
 
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