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Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5,000 Electric Car From GM

very well, i will rest my case with this. In USA every year 17 million vehicles and light trucks are sold.
in china, the number is 20.1 million
That number seems a lot more reasonable. Since the United States needs 17 million cars a year, it's not surprising that some elderly people, like Canada, would like this small car made in China.
 
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You can’t counter his research . That’s all I need to know.

That number seems a lot more reasonable. Since the United States needs 17 million cars a year, it's not surprising that some elderly people, like Canada, would like this small car made in China.

no, need. It is a car for China. China needs all the little cars it can get. Besides, Canada makes it's own cars and Canada is allied with the USA, Japan and SK, those nations make lots of electric cars too.

remember, Chinese have over 300 million people in Pakistan and Iran to try to sell to.
 
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no, need. It is a car for China. China needs all the little cars it can get. Besides, Canada makes it's own cars and Canada is allied with the USA, Japan and SK, those nations make lots of electric cars too.

remember, Chinese have over 300 million people in Pakistan and Iran to try to sell to.
Canada has Bombardier, but it will still buy buses from BYD in China. What you don't need doesn't mean your neighbors don't need them
 
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Canada has Bombardier, but it will still buy buses from BYD in China. What you don't need doesn't mean your neighbors don't need them

you mean what somebody wants not needs. The poor can walk, take transit or buy a used car for transportation.
China, still, has over a billion people to provide cars to just in Pakistan 200 million, Iran 67 million and China 1 billion. The CCP car company SAIC will be very busy.
 
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you mean what somebody wants not needs. The poor can walk, take transit or buy a used car for transportation.
China, still, has over a billion people to provide cars to just in Pakistan 200 million, Iran 67 million and China 1 billion. The CCP car company SAIC will be very busy.
Of course, we are willing to provide Pakistan friends with high-quality products, but this is not contradictory to the same products we provide to Canada. What do you think?
 
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Looking at the size of ego of most people in Pakistan i doubt anyone will be willing to buy this one unless the want to be laughed at. They need to build something like SWIFT/Yaris in range of 10000-15000$ otherwise you will only sell them to rich brats not middle class.
 
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Full November auto sales results from China have not been released yet, but today’s announcement from Wuling Motors that the Hongguang Mini EV sold 33,094 units in November should be a shot across the bow to all Chinese EV players. Tesla’s TSLA +4.5% Model 3 is not number 1 in China anymore. Not even close. While the extraordinary launch of the VW ID.4 (the launch video is here) and the solidly growth-y performance the “BEV Startups” (NIO, Li, WM , Xpeng) have cut into Tesla’s market share in China, who would have guessed that the new leader in China’s passenger EV market would be...this.

Hongguang Mini

Hongguang Mini


It’s OK if you laugh at the picture. I haven’t had the pleasure of driving one yet, but the Hongguang Mini is a funny looking vehicle. It also carries a starting price of 28,880 RMB, which translates to $4,380. Hit that price point, Elon!

The Hongguang Mini is produced by the SAIC SAIC +1.3%-GM-Wuling joint venture, which is one of the many legacy combinations between Western automakers and Chinese local titans. The Mini charges on a standard (for China) 220V three-hole plug and according to the excellent China automotive site Gasgoo, is also chargeable at public AC charging piles, but lacks any fast-charging capability. Basic NEDC range is 120km with the 9.2kWh battery pack and can be extended to 170km with the larger, 13.2 kWh battery pack.

This is what the market is missing in 2020’s amazing run-up in the shares of “Chinese BEV plays” like Tesla, NIO, Li Auto and others. China is a poor country. According to the IMF, China's 2020 GDP per capita of $10,839 ranks it 59th in the world or between Costa Rica and Malaysia.

Of course, it is cooler to make luxury and near-luxury cars. I have enough friends in the car business to know that’s true. But, as I noted in my Forbes column yesterday, cars are a consumer product. Price points are important. The innumerate buffoons who constantly push Tesla-China conspiracy theories and horribly inaccurate estimates (one buffoon is still pushing “Tesla will sell 150K in China in 2020” despite the fact that the CPCA reported Tesla had sold 92,000 made-in-China Model 3s through the first 10 months of 2020) just don’t see this. Full November unit sales figures for China will be released next week.

I was one of the first Western analysts to write on NIO, in my Forbes column, and the success of Bin Li’s company (and stock) has been amazing. To put it in perspective, though, NIO recently announced that it had sold 5,291 units in China in November (composed of three models; ES6, ES8 and EC6) and therefore NIO’s corporate sales trailed the Hongguang Mini by nearly 80% for November.

It’s painful for me to have to write this, but I just don't think the stock market understands that luxury car markets are smaller than the mass-market (hence the name.) There are fewer units to be sold, and there is typically much more competition. Tesla doesn't sell a non-luxury vehicle anywhere in the world, and Elon lives in a world where VW (and especially its Audi division) BMW and Mercedes live. Also, Volvo is coming on very strong in the BEV space with its own-branded XC40 Recharge BEV SUV and its corporate cousin, the Polestar 2 BEV luxury car, which is produced by Volvo’s corporate parent Geely in China.

It’s on. It is on. Competition in the auto industry leads to pricing pressure. Always. I doubt that Wulling is able to discount the price of the Hongguang Mini by much (if at all) but Tesla's extraordinary series of price cuts (in Europe, China and the US) in 2020 show just how price-competitive the luxury car market is. Competition is real and it comes in different forms.

Myopic morons who only measure one company’s deliveries without regard to the performance of an entire sector are making the same mistake as those counted the BlackBerries sold by (what was then) Research in Motion in the mid-2000’s without taking into account the potential danger from more user-friendly platforms like iOS and Android.

So, behold your leader in Chinese EV sales. GM’s stock price has had a decent run of late—along with the overall market—but I don't think market participants are really buying the Electric GM story just yet. In contrast, GM’s Chinese JV partner SAIC (also a partner with VW as well as a strong player though its own brands) has seen its shares languish on the Shanghai exchange. SAIC shares are only now regaining their level of January 2020 while shares of NIO and Li (and other Chinese EV plays) have gone bananas

But the Hongguang Mini is winning the Chinese EV race. The numbers do not lie and should never be forgotten.
 
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These car are now exported to EU and of cos now some will claim it's a GM car! :enjoy:

The Germans already are


The microcar called Mini EV, which GM offers in China through its partner Wuling is very popular because of its low price. Now the Mini EV is en route to Europe – as FreZe Nikrob EV via the Latvian company Dartz Motorz at a starting price of 9,999 euros.

Dartz says the two-door city car will offer a range of up to 200 km (124 miles) on a charge and seat four. Plus, if they realise the price of less than ten grand, it could easily be the cheapest electric car in Europe (the Twizy quad aside).

In China, the Wuling Mini EV sells for the equivalent of 3,700 euros. There will likely be some adjustments and additional safety features for the EU version leading to a higher price.

Dartz aims for market entry in Germany, Norway and France first and told Carbuzz they wanted to get into rideshare fleets. The US is not yet a priority.

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