Tesla cars are banned [for 2 months] from Chinese town over spying fear

[Zsari]

Nobody is talking about anybody hacking into Huawei.

Just as you pointed out Snowden was alerting people that the telecom companies themselves tend to be in cahoots with governments using both hardware and software backdoors.

There's no reason for the Government to hack into a telecom's infrastructure when they can just ask them to open the door.

That's why Huawei is banned, as the US government cannot ask them to open the door, at least not to its network infrastructure outside the US. And that's also why its head office in China was hacked into repeatedly by the NSA.
And again, you avoided the question. Do you mean Tesla does not deny it will actively conduct espionage on behave of the US government?

 

[Beny Karachun]

Besides this is the reason why LIDAR based self-driving systems are going to flop being sold worldwide. No government is going to allow a foreign automaker to LIDAR map their entire country's road system (including the buildings that abut the road) down to the millimeter as this is an obvious national security issue.

Just think If countries like China are paranoid about cameras seeing something...can you imagine their reaction to having some company driving around EVERY road in the country with a LIDAR pre-mapper that is needed for LIDAR based cars to navigate?

AI can 3D map daylight footage easily though

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

And again, you avoided the question. Do you mean Tesla does not deny it will actively conduct espionage on behave of the US government?

What kind of statement is that? They never said anything about being in cahoots with anybody just like no other car company with cameras (like GM) has come out and said they are in cahoots with anybody.

GM uses cameras in China...that's how the Super Cruise system works. It's also inside their cars actively scanning faces.

Tesla simply has an exterior camera system tied to a far more sophisticated image processor (with a built in cellular modem and WiFi connector) which could theoretically identify license plates and the faces of people it passes..which makes the Chinese Government nervous.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

AI can 3D map daylight footage easily though

Yeah but if they disable transmitting capabilities it will be useless.

 

[kuge]

New Tesla factories losing billions of dollars, Musk says

Elon Musk said the Covid-19 lockdown in Shanghai was "very difficult" for the electric car maker.

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New Tesla factories losing billions of dollars, Musk says​

By Annabelle Liang
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Elon Musk says Tesla's new factories in Germany and the US are "losing billions of dollars" due to battery shortages and supply disruptions in China.
The multi-billionaire also called the plants in Berlin and Austin, Texas "gigantic money furnaces".
Covid-19 lockdowns in China this year, including in Shanghai where Tesla has a huge factory, have made it increasingly difficult for manufacturers to operate.
In recent weeks Mr Musk has been warning of job cuts at the firm.
"Both Berlin and Austin factories are gigantic money furnaces right now. It's really like a giant roaring sound, which is the sound of money on fire," said Mr Musk, who is the electric vehicle maker's chief executive.
The plants are "losing billions of dollars right now. There's a ton of expense and hardly any output," he added in an interview with the Tesla Owners of Silicon Valley, a company-recognised club.

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Mr Musk said the so-called gigafactories have been struggling to increase production since they were opened earlier this year.
Tesla's site in Austin currently produces a "tiny" number of cars, partly because some components for its batteries were "stuck" at a Chinese port "with no one to actually move it", he said.
"This is all going to get fixed real fast but it requires a lot of attention," Mr Musk added.
The interview was recorded at the end of last month but this part of the conversation was only posted on Wednesday.
Authorities in China locked down a number of its cities earlier this year in response to a surge in Covid-19 infections.
Tough restrictions were imposed on the movement of people and materials including in the financial, manufacturing and shipping hub of Shanghai.

Mr Musk said the shutdown of Shanghai was "very, very difficult" for Tesla, which reportedly halted most of its production at its 'gigafactory' in the city for weeks.
The site will largely be closed again for two weeks next month for upgrading works, according to the Reuters news agency, which cited an internal memo.
This is aimed at boosting the site's output, bringing it closer to the company's goal of the plant producing 22,000 cars every week, the report said.
Tesla did not immediately respond to a BBC request for comment.
Last week, the company raised the price of its whole range of cars in the US by almost 5%, as the cost of raw materials including aluminium and lithium rose.
This week, Mr Musk said Tesla planned to shed 3.5% of its global workforce after earlier saying that he had a "super bad feeling" about the economy.

Meanwhile, German carmaker BMW said on Thursday that it had formally begun production at its new $2.2bn (£1.8bn) facility in the northeastern Chinese city of Shenyang.
BMW said the plant, which is its third in China, will increase its annual output in the country from 700,000 to 830,000.

 

[Zsari]

What kind of statement is that? They never said anything about being in cahoots with anybody just like no other car company with cameras (like GM) has come out and said they are in cahoots with anybody.

Because Huawei was accused of exactly that, and somehow you find their "angry" refutation is somehow unwarranted, but rather making a comparison to Tesla's statement on data security, which is a different matter entirely.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Because Huawei was accused of exactly that, and somehow you find their "angry" refutation is somehow unwarranted, but rather making a comparison to Tesla's statement on data security, which is a different matter entirely.

Well Elon Musk tried to assure the Chinese Government that his cars are not doing any spying but it fell on deaf ears because theoretically Teslas could if they wanted to with a simple pushed software update to keep track of faces and license plate numbers.

He isn't in an angry huff and screaming about unfairness and how spying is completely impossible...like Huawei was.

 

[Zsari]

Well Elon Musk tried to assure the Chinese Government that his cars are not doing any spying but it fell on deaf ears because theoretically Teslas could if they wanted to with a simple pushed software update to keep track of faces and license plate numbers.

He isn't in an angry huff and screaming about unfairness and how spying is completely impossible...like Huawei was.

Ah, so spying by Tesla on behave of the US is a possibility?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Ah, so spying by Tesla on behave of the US is a possibility?

Spying by any company for any country is a possibility.

Why would you rule it out for anybody?

 

[REhorror]

I'm surprised the US is allowing Musk to dry out like this, US is really cruel, capable of killing its talents just because he disagrees with it.

Without Tesla, the future car market is basically China 1st and Japan, Germany and S. Korea fighting for the 2nd spot. Vietnam can even join in too with Vinfast.

 

[Zsari]

Spying by any company for any country is a possibility.

Why would you rule it out for anybody?

“Well Elon Musk tried to assure the Chinese Government that his cars are not doing any spying” by telling the Chinese government spying by any company for any country is possible?

 

[redtom]

No, your habit is simply making assumptions all the time. Just because one official is found corrupt in the Chinese governnment doesn't automatically mean they all are.

Google is more than just Android.

Where does that post of yours mention the Android code (which is open source BTW and compiled by vendors) has spyware?? Please find it for us all...so you can defend yourself from your own constant and perpetual lying habit.

We are all patiently waiting....good luck finding it Mr perpetual liar.....you can drop from this thread now.

Microsoft, Apple, Google. What do they have in common? Are they a telecom company? Windows, IOS, Android.

They are suppliers of operating systems, not telecommunications equipment.

Of course, for an American, I can't assume you understand the difference between OS and telecom equipment, hardware and software. But people with normal education in other countries understand.

The argument between us isn't about me convincing you, or you convincing me. It's for other readers to judge. You represent the Americans and I represent the Chinese. Other people will know what Chinese people are like, what Americans are like. They also choose who their friends are based on their values.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

“Well Elon Musk tried to assure the Chinese Government that his cars are not doing any spying” by telling the Chinese government spying by any company for any country is possible?

LOL! To make you happy with your perpetual circling around and around we will just say Elon Musk said spying is possible for every company on the planet except for all the Chinese ones because the Chinese Government is a paper tiger and has absolutely no influence on how Chinese companies are run. Infact Chinese companies are so independent they are everyday telling President Xi to go screw himself without any fears of repercussions whenever a request is made of them.

The planet is lucky Chinese companies are like this and we should all strive to have the same kind of freedom.

 

[JSCh]

A small Chinese district of a population of a few dozen thousand decided to restrict Tesla vehicle for a period of about two months.

There is a good reason for that, traditionally at this time of year, almost all the top leadership of China would be staying in that resort town.

While Tesla could give all the assurance that they don't let any video data left the car, but the car could be hacked, or it could be forced by foreign institution to do so. I believe unlike Huawei telecom equipment, its system wasn't vetted as thoroughly, like repeated by various professional team from many countries over many years.

Therefore for security reason like spying, battery and autopilot safety concern, Tesla would be prohibited in that small town for the period.

Cry ab it.