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Ok, lets assume for a second that India's 'occupation' of Arunachal Pradesh is 'illegal', now tell me, as a Bangladeshi and someone that doesn't support India's claim in light of it being an inheritance from the English Empire..What right do you have to your country?

The English simply drew a line and said, this is Bangladesh (East Pakistan, '47-'71), if you can agree with that, why is it so hard for you to agree with India's claims?

Never mind BD, tell me when was Tibet a part of China?

Can't answer any of the above questions can you?

Bangladesh is NOT in dispute here and a setteled issue by its own (completely seperate from British division) independence. So your heartburn that a Bangladeshi pointing to indian illegal occupation is grossly misplaced. It does not matter who points out indian illegal occupation be that Bangladeshis, Pakistanis or an Australians, its fact. Own upto the responsibility as an indian occupier and get on with reality.

Indians got the illegal McMahon "paper" as inheritance and bullying people in the neighborhood. That's why when I am repeatedly asking indians about legitimate indian claim over AP they just try to deflect and go on to irrelevant topic.
 
Ok, lets assume for a second that India's 'occupation' of Arunachal Pradesh is 'illegal', now tell me, as a Bangladeshi and someone that doesn't support India's claim in light of it being an inheritance from the English Empire..What right do you have to your country?

The English simply drew a line and said, this is Bangladesh (East Pakistan, '47-'71), if you can agree with that, why is it so hard for you to agree with India's claims?

Never mind BD, tell me when was Tibet a part of China?

Can't answer any of the above questions can you?

Nonsense! China inherited (actually absorbed) the Mongolian empire. Now Genghis Khan conquered Europe, Persia, Pak (parts of India). And England being part of Europe which was conquered, also conquered India.

So does that mean China 'inherits' ALL of Europe + South Asia + West Asia + East Asia??? :smitten:
 
Bangladesh is NOT in dispute here and a setteled issue by its own (completely seperate from British division) independence. So your heartburn that a Bangladeshi pointing to indian illegal occupation is grossly misplaced. It does not matter who points out indian illegal occupation be that Bangladeshis, Pakistanis or an Australians, its fact. Own upto the responsibility as an indian occupier and get on with reality.

Indians got the illegal McMahon "paper" as inheritance and bullying people in the neighborhood. That's why when I am repeatedly asking indians about legitimate indian claim over AP they just try to deflect and go on to irrelevant topic.

when did china start to claim AP as its part??........after invading and illegaly occupying Tibet??
 
Since Tibet is not a part of China, how exactly is AP - Or as China calls it South Tibet - part of China? I don't hear Tibetans around the world protesting the "illegal occupation of South Tibet" by India. On the contrary, they protest against the real illegal occupation of their country by China. What does that tell you?
 
Funny how some people have no trouble agreeing with China's claims over Tibet, but when it comes to India, its all oh so unfair and horrible. When someone points out the irony in their comments, its 'off topic'.

When the English carved out their country, its settled, no dispute, but when it comes to India, 'facts are facts'.

:lol:
 
Funny how some people have no trouble agreeing with China's claims over Tibet, but when it comes to India, its all oh so unfair and horrible. When someone points out the irony in their comments, its 'off topic'.

When the English carved out their country, its settled, no dispute, but when it comes to India, 'facts are facts'.

:lol:

because during the WWII, we fought the Axis while India was the Axis. are we clear? please check the very shining history of your nation under Bose.

:smokin:
 
Since Tibet is not a part of China, how exactly is AP - Or as China calls it South Tibet - part of China? I don't hear Tibetans around the world protesting the "illegal occupation of South Tibet" by India. On the contrary, they protest against the real illegal occupation of their country by China. What does that tell you?

all major countries (including India) recognize Tibet as a part of China. the UK even issued an apology in 2008 for its long time refusal to recognize that.

don't worry dude, one day, we will divide your nation into mutltiple smaller ones, you guys speak different languages, there are more than 100 million Muslims, we will ensure the autonomous status of those different groups.

:smokin:
 
all major countries (including India) recognize Tibet as a part of China. the UK even issued an apology in 2008 for its long time refusal to recognize that.

don't worry dude, one day, we will divide your nation into mutltiple smaller ones, you guys speak different languages, there are more than 100 million Muslims, we will ensure the autonomous status of those different groups.

:smokin:

Don't interfere in other people's affairs (even if they deserve it). If it will happen, it will happen. Just look at England, they have so many 'minorities issues' that' they'll break up all by themselves. IRA will get back north Ireland AND then some (i.e. parts of England). It's called KARMA. :smitten:
 
all major countries (including India) recognize Tibet as a part of China. the UK even issued an apology in 2008 for its long time refusal to recognize that.

don't worry dude, one day, we will divide your nation into mutltiple smaller ones, you guys speak different languages, there are more than 100 million Muslims, we will ensure the autonomous status of those different groups.

:smokin:


Wow what a dreamy guy!!!:rofl:
 
because during the WWII, we fought the Axis while India was the Axis. are we clear? please check the very shining history of your nation under Bose.

I won't even point out the irony of your statement. Please read a proper history book. Preferably one not sanctioned by the PRC.

all major countries (including India) recognize Tibet as a part of China.

If you continuously pester us on AP, that might change.

don't worry dude, one day, we will divide your nation into mutltiple smaller ones,

Hilarious considering that Tibet has a government in exile in Dharamshala, that Taiwan calls itself the "Republic of China" and it's military sole purpose is to ward of a PRC invasion.....yeah, we here in India are under threat of being "broken up" into smaller nations. <<----------Sarcasm

you guys speak different languages, there are more than 100 million Muslims, we will ensure the autonomous status of those different groups.

Very interesting.....a "Communist" who believes that it is acceptable for a nation to be created along the lines of language or religion........was that Chairman Mao's philosophy?

I won't respond to your childish threats, the PRC is not stupid enough to use Sabre rattling tactics against India.
 
^^ really? who decided that Dhaka belongs to BD and not India?

China is running out of options on its 'western front', the threat from Pakistan is fading fast so they're turning up the heat on India. I doubt China will ever fight India over AP, they have little to gain from it, I doubt they'd want to make an enemy out of us.

Any aggressive move by China will lead to some serious diplomatic and economic repercussions. India has the means to defend itself, so Arunachal Pradesh wouldn't be a cake walk for the Chinese, they'd have a much easier fight in the spartly islands.

Even I thought why they want to fight us for a pile of rocks but they
are going to attack us in the next 2-3 decades thats the fact.Tawang is especially important to them because if the current Dalai Lama dies
the succession issue will come at Tawang.

Consider the chines nightmare If the nxt Dalai Lama is an indian passport holder.

Right now we have an edge over Pakistan and the gap will be increasing over the nxt few years .More than that the US is overseeing pakistan with the eyes of a hawk.You don't build the worlds largest embassy without a reason.The overall aid is going to be audited then and there.

Consider the 1978 vietnam war having 30,000 casualties did not stop them from attacking vietnam in 1984.

Defeat is only a tactical retreat for them
 
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all major countries (including India) recognize Tibet as a part of China. the UK even issued an apology in 2008 for its long time refusal to recognize that.

don't worry dude, one day, we will divide your nation into mutltiple smaller ones, you guys speak different languages, there are more than 100 million Muslims, we will ensure the autonomous status of those different groups.

:smokin:
What are you smoking cannabis or marijuana.good quality stuff I presume
 
Funny how some people have no trouble agreeing with China's claims over Tibet, but when it comes to India, its all oh so unfair and horrible. When someone points out the irony in their comments, its 'off topic'.

When the English carved out their country, its settled, no dispute, but when it comes to India, 'facts are facts'.

:lol:

Until 1910 Tibet and AP was part of China and there was effective Chinese control. But taking advantage of Chinese weakness in 1913-1914 McMahon made illegal and unauthorized deal with Tibetans who had no authority over signing any document. Even British govt did not recognize such document validity without Chinese consent. So effectively india is holding illegal paper drawn up by McMahon and flexing its muscle. There is no legitimate indian claim over AP.
 
But in the first decade of the twentieth century, as the Manchu dynasty ended, Chinese policy changed sharply in Tibet. Military presence was extended through central Tibet, and more modern institutions replaced the theocratic and ancient machinery of administration, which reducing the role of the Dalai Lama and the power of the monastic orders. By 1910, China had established effective power in Tibet, and the buffer for India to keep Russia away was lost, as the Morning Post in London wrote: "A great Empire, the future military strength of which no man can foresee, has suddenly appeared on the North-East Frontier of India." The British was concerned that China would pose a strategic threat to India, and the forward school recommended more active patrolling in the hills beyond the frontier. It was decided that if China attacked India, Britain would attack China from the sea. The Chief of the General Staff warned of the dangerous pressure through Tawang Tract, and recommended bringing not only Tawang but also a sizeable slice of Tibet into India. From 1911, the Indian government embarked on a deliberate advance of the northeastern boundary. In order not to invite a vigorous Chinese protest, the Indian military made secrete expeditions into the Tibetan tribal belts of Assam which British took for India twenty years ago, bypassing the Parliament’s permission. Although it was outside of the external frontiers, the official British maps showed it as part of the frontier. The officials fobbed that "it is not intended to increase the area administered by" the Indian government. The statement was literally true since the Inner Line was not changed, but it was the Outer Line that was advanced.
In 1911-12, the Chinese power in Tibet suddenly collapsed. The British decided that it was in their strategic and political interest to exclude effective Chinese power from Tibet. In 1913, British convoked a conference at Simla which was aimed at making Tibet a buffer state between Britain and China, like the buffer effect to keep the Russians away. McMahon, the Foreign Secretary of the Indian government, led the British delegation to attend the Simla Conference. The British made open effort to make China accept a division of Tibet into Inner and Outer Tibet, as the agreement made by China and Russia in the case of Mongolia. China would have suzerainty over the whole of Tibet, but would have no administrative rights in Outer Tibet, thereby keeping back from the borders of India. The coercive diplomatic methods of Britain brought the weak and unwilling China to the conference. The Chinese representatives stressed the paramount importance of Tibet and resisted its zonal division, keenly aware of the British effort to separate Tibet or at least a great part of it from China. In April 1914, McMahon induced the Chinese official, Ivan Chen, to initiate a draft treaty, but the Chinese government repudiated the unauthorized compliance immediately. McMahon presented the draft to the British, which plainly cancelled its validity. In July, the conference was closed without Chinese signing the convention. London had instructed McMahon all along not to sign bilaterally with Tibetans if China refused, but McMahon proceeded to sign with the Tibetan representative while Ivan Chen was sent to the next room. Chen was not told of what was being signed and the declaration was kept as secret for many years. Although all this provided much fertile ground for international lawyers, the results of the conference were clear, and was accepted as such by the British Government at the time: the Simla Conference produced no agreement to which the government of China was a party. McMahon admitted this himself: "It is with great regret that I leave India without have secured the formal adherence of the Chinese Government to a Tripartite Agreement." China had emphatically and repeatedly denied that Tibet enjoyed sovereign identity and that China would not recognize any bilateral agreement between Tibet and Britain.

A covert byproduct of the Simla Conference was the McMahon Line. It came as a result of the secret discussions, without the Chinese participation or knowledge, which took place in Delhi between the British and the Tibetans in February and March of 1914. These meetings breached not only the Anglo-Chinese Convention of 1906, in which Britain was to "engage not to annex Tibetan territory," but also of the Anglo-Russian Convention of 1907, in which Britain was to engage "not to enter into negotiations with Tibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government." The British moved the line progressively to the north of Tawang, which was still short of the goal proposed by the Chief of the General Staff to annex some two thousand square miles of Tibetan territory. McMahon Line essentially pushed the boundary northward about sixty miles, and moved it from the foothills to the crest line of the Assam Himalayas. In doing so, McMahon accomplished for British India what other officials attempted twenty years ago on the Afghan frontier, and brought the tribal no-man land under nominal British sovereignty. China forcefully repudiated the convention and denied the validity of the map, and the Tibetans in practice ignored the Line. In 1919, the British tried once more to induce China to resume the tripartite negotiations. After China refused, the British began providing military aid to Tibetans, including arms, ammunitions, and training in their use. When the British relinquished the Indian Empire in 1947, they started to translate the McMahon Line from the maps as the effective northwest boundary of India, despite that the Line appeared on its maps only ten years before. As the British departed, the new Indian government assured that they would complete their work: "If anything, they intended to pursue an even more forward policy than had the British."


India’s China War by Neville Maxwell
 
But in the first decade of the twentieth century, as the Manchu dynasty ended, Chinese policy changed sharply in Tibet. Military presence was extended through central Tibet, and more modern institutions replaced the theocratic and ancient machinery of administration, which reducing the role of the Dalai Lama and the power of the monastic orders. By 1910, China had established effective power in Tibet, and the buffer for India to keep Russia away was lost, as the Morning Post in London wrote: "A great Empire, the future military strength of which no man can foresee, has suddenly appeared on the North-East Frontier of India." The British was concerned that China would pose a strategic threat to India, and the forward school recommended more active patrolling in the hills beyond the frontier. It was decided that if China attacked India, Britain would attack China from the sea. The Chief of the General Staff warned of the dangerous pressure through Tawang Tract, and recommended bringing not only Tawang but also a sizeable slice of Tibet into India. From 1911, the Indian government embarked on a deliberate advance of the northeastern boundary. In order not to invite a vigorous Chinese protest, the Indian military made secrete expeditions into the Tibetan tribal belts of Assam which British took for India twenty years ago, bypassing the Parliament’s permission. Although it was outside of the external frontiers, the official British maps showed it as part of the frontier. The officials fobbed that "it is not intended to increase the area administered by" the Indian government. The statement was literally true since the Inner Line was not changed, but it was the Outer Line that was advanced.
In 1911-12, the Chinese power in Tibet suddenly collapsed. The British decided that it was in their strategic and political interest to exclude effective Chinese power from Tibet. In 1913, British convoked a conference at Simla which was aimed at making Tibet a buffer state between Britain and China, like the buffer effect to keep the Russians away. McMahon, the Foreign Secretary of the Indian government, led the British delegation to attend the Simla Conference. The British made open effort to make China accept a division of Tibet into Inner and Outer Tibet, as the agreement made by China and Russia in the case of Mongolia. China would have suzerainty over the whole of Tibet, but would have no administrative rights in Outer Tibet, thereby keeping back from the borders of India. The coercive diplomatic methods of Britain brought the weak and unwilling China to the conference. The Chinese representatives stressed the paramount importance of Tibet and resisted its zonal division, keenly aware of the British effort to separate Tibet or at least a great part of it from China. In April 1914, McMahon induced the Chinese official, Ivan Chen, to initiate a draft treaty, but the Chinese government repudiated the unauthorized compliance immediately. McMahon presented the draft to the British, which plainly cancelled its validity. In July, the conference was closed without Chinese signing the convention. London had instructed McMahon all along not to sign bilaterally with Tibetans if China refused, but McMahon proceeded to sign with the Tibetan representative while Ivan Chen was sent to the next room. Chen was not told of what was being signed and the declaration was kept as secret for many years. Although all this provided much fertile ground for international lawyers, the results of the conference were clear, and was accepted as such by the British Government at the time: the Simla Conference produced no agreement to which the government of China was a party. McMahon admitted this himself: "It is with great regret that I leave India without have secured the formal adherence of the Chinese Government to a Tripartite Agreement." China had emphatically and repeatedly denied that Tibet enjoyed sovereign identity and that China would not recognize any bilateral agreement between Tibet and Britain.

A covert byproduct of the Simla Conference was the McMahon Line. It came as a result of the secret discussions, without the Chinese participation or knowledge, which took place in Delhi between the British and the Tibetans in February and March of 1914. These meetings breached not only the Anglo-Chinese Convention of 1906, in which Britain was to "engage not to annex Tibetan territory," but also of the Anglo-Russian Convention of 1907, in which Britain was to engage "not to enter into negotiations with Tibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government." The British moved the line progressively to the north of Tawang, which was still short of the goal proposed by the Chief of the General Staff to annex some two thousand square miles of Tibetan territory. McMahon Line essentially pushed the boundary northward about sixty miles, and moved it from the foothills to the crest line of the Assam Himalayas. In doing so, McMahon accomplished for British India what other officials attempted twenty years ago on the Afghan frontier, and brought the tribal no-man land under nominal British sovereignty. China forcefully repudiated the convention and denied the validity of the map, and the Tibetans in practice ignored the Line. In 1919, the British tried once more to induce China to resume the tripartite negotiations. After China refused, the British began providing military aid to Tibetans, including arms, ammunitions, and training in their use. When the British relinquished the Indian Empire in 1947, they started to translate the McMahon Line from the maps as the effective northwest boundary of India, despite that the Line appeared on its maps only ten years before. As the British departed, the new Indian government assured that they would complete their work: "If anything, they intended to pursue an even more forward policy than had the British."


India’s China War by Neville Maxwell

Let this be a lesson to our Hindu Brahmin 'friends' and their former white-masters Limies, don't mess with the DRAGON or you'll end up extinct! Now have a nice day! :smitten:
 
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