Tejas MK-1 to get FOC this year,many countries are interested in the purchase of the aircraft

[chengdusudise]

Pakistani 5th gen.?? Top notch countries struggle to create a great stealth platform when they have tremendous R&D resources and budget but you claim without a hint of hesitation about Pakistani made 5th gen jets.
Myopia's definition reached a new level altogether.

if a hungriest country can develop a "state of art "4th fighter,why cant pakistan develop a 5th fighter?

 

[faithfulguy]

if a hungriest country can develop a "state of art "4th fighter,why cant pakistan develop a 5th fighter?

It would take a while for Pakistan to get a fifth gen fighter. But sooner than India can export LCA.

 

[TexasJohn]

However the American engine may be a liability in export. Gripen also uses F404 but Saab copied it and manufactures it on its own. India cannot copy something as complex as a jet engine. So when it comes to Gripen vs Tejas everyone picks Gripen.

Wrong! the F404/RM12 was made for Saab in collaboration with GE. Please get your facts right.
https://www.geaviation.com/military/engines/f404-engine

 

[HariPrasad]

There's a lot of incorrect information floating around.

IAF wanted to support the industry from day 1. They created their ASR in just 2 years after the go-ahead. But DRDO actually threw the IAF and their ASR out and created their own new jet instead.

The original LCA was supposed to be a simple aircraft with hydraulics, not FBW, and a simple radar in the same class as the Thomson-CSF RDM with the ability to track 2 targets. ADA changed the specs to FBW, multimode radar, BVR capability etc in the early 90s.

ADA officially told the IAF not to interfere in the project and booted them out. That's the kind of support the IAF received. IAF was allowed back in once they realised they are not going to meet the 2008 objective and they needed user input on core electronics. The IAF has been bashed for all the wrong reasons. With IAF assistance, in 2010, the ADA got the govt to change a bunch of rules and laws and pushed the LSPs into prototype development instead of handing the jets over to the IAF. Many people are not aware of this.

As for this Mk1 and Mk2 hoopla:

From the specs we have seen, the Mk1A will have superior performance compared to AF-Mk2 version 1. The Mk1A is lighter than the Mk1 by 800Kg and can be equipped with the early, original version of Kaveri, but with newer materials for additional thrust. The Mk2 V1 has similar weight as the Mk1, has a higher thrust engine, slightly longer fuselage for avionics and only 20Kg increase in fuel, yes, only 20Kg. The drag is lower by 8%. Mk2 V1 requires a modified version of Kaveri with a new French core or the F414. With the exception of a lack of internal ECM, the Mk1A beats the Mk2 V1 comfortably.

Now, there's a new AF-Mk2 V2 which is 1m longer, has extra fuel and a modified Kaveri. There's talks of addition of canards or LEVCON, we are not sure since the design is not yet frozen. The MTOW could cross 16T. So it's basically a new aircraft.

In other words, the Mk1A is the new Mk2 and the Mk2 has become the Mk3. These are not the official designations of course, I am referring only to technical characteristics.

Mk2 is supposed to use GE 414 engine with gives it a MTOW of 16 tons. Now, with 6.2 empty weigh and 3.5 ton fuel will give it nearly 6 ton weight carrying capability. It shall be aerodynamically refined and exploit Aerodynamic performance fully. With Water cooled AESA and Top class EW, It will easily either match surpass all other aircraft in its category. In dog fight, it will easily outmaneuver F 16.With Weapons like Astra, Mk1 and Mk2 & I derby like BVR, and Python 5 like WVR missile, it shall be a nightmare for enemy aircraft. Chinese J 10 or any other plane in this category shall easily outclassed by Mk2.

 

[HariPrasad]

The French are in a complete tizzy over the Kaveri. They now want it to power their Rafale NG.

Can you please elaborate thsi?

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

unless some countries wants to kill their operators on purpose its a good machine to serve that purpose.

selling tejas yahooo.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Long line of potential buyer's of tejas outside HAL.

 

[randomradio]

Can you please elaborate thsi?

The French are going to invest $1B of their money initially to help India develop the Kaveri using M88 tech.

The engine will find its way on to the Rafale NG. That way, the French will avoid spending more money developing the new engine, whatever's good for LCA is good for Rafale. Plus, they can get IAF to buy more Rafales once the NG is ready.

 

[koushik]

if a hungriest country can develop a "state of art "4th fighter,why cant pakistan develop a 5th fighter?

Why can't.?? Economic prowess being one of the main reasons that Pakistan isn't capable of sustaining the massive level of spending that is needed in the development of the infrastructure and R&D needed for developing 5th generation fighter.
Hence a JV is way more logical wherein another technologically advanced nation does all the critical work and allows the developing nations to learn and absorb the tech which is needed to build next gen aviation items.
A classic example being India who struggled massively in the face of the sanctions imposed by the US which severely hampered the initial development of Tejas.
Whereas MKIs are now completely built/assembled in-house in India because the liberal mindset and cooperation of the Russians.

 

[randomradio]

I seriously want to know the names of those countries which are interested in buyinh Tejas

Possibilities:
Qatar, UAE, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Algeria, Kenya, Ethiopia and Nigeria.

There are a lot of other African countries that will get rich enough to afford fighter aircraft over the next 20 years. Then there's South America, with countries like Chile and Argentina in the mix.

That's the list as of now.

Whoever buys Brahmos will also buy the LCA.

 

[ARMalik]

LITTLE CRAPPY AIRCRAFT = LCA = PIECE OF JUNK. Why would anyone want to buy this trash?

 

[I S I]

Lole

 

[rambro]

Possibilities:
Qatar, UAE, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Algeria, Kenya, Ethiopia and Nigeria.

There are a lot of other African countries that will get rich enough to afford fighter aircraft over the next 20 years. Then there's South America, with countries like Chile and Argentina in the mix.

That's the list as of now.

Whoever buys Brahmos will also buy the LCA.

Please remove malaysia from your BS list.
u know u pull that out of ur anus.

We only go with countries with established and proven track record in military aviation and India is not one of them.

And single engine jets is not considered

 

[aman_rai0007]

Even if Tejas gets foc by the end of this year I will be very much happy...
As for other countries interested in buying Tejas I think they might be interested in Tejas mk1a... Not mk1

 

[SrNair]

Apparently the IAF is finally learning how to properly support local industry and cooperate with them.

Tejas was supposed to be the pride of India but instead was treated like some stepchild.

Perhaps ,you know how the lobbying works.
Russian lobby spend too much money and time for this to happen.
Why we settled on America engine ,reason same both political and logistical.
There is a real reason for Russian grudge now .

Recent development of our own seeker was one of it .That single development caused billions of $ loss for Russian.

Still reeks of mismanagement

Mismanagement in inevitable when we starts everything from scratch .Totally screwed after US sanction in 98 .