Tejas misses another deadline for being fully combat-ready

[faithfulguy]

Tejas is aiming for high quality, and evidence for this is the big sums of money being spent. India only goes for the best, not for anything else. Once the final product is ready in 2050, it will be world #1 3rd generation aircraft still in production.

Congratulations to HAL / DRDO and all the other geniuses in the cow worshiping country of rapists. Word is, Tejas is also going to get female fighter pilots so the country can screw women in new ways.

When I hear India only goes for the best, it remind me of Randy Quade character in the movie “Christmas vacation” with Chevy Chase. He is perpetually unemployed as he is waiting only for the management position.

Bringing religion in discussion... Topical Pakistani Elite member...
Focus on your 1400 year old jf which already have crashed twice


Really... We will never induct a fighter jet Having capabilities like jf


Still better than a fighter jet inducted without the capability to fire missiles or guns

Just because it have not shot down an Indian plane doesn’t mean that it carry no missiles.

 

[Tristar]

why cant they have Half Combat Fighter Aircraft?

because IAF is not PAF which can accept plane which cant even land in night or dont have A2A refuelling or LBG etc,

When I hear India only goes for the best, it remind me of Randy Quade character in the movie “Christmas vacation” with Chevy Chase. He is perpetually unemployed as he is waiting only for the management position.



Just because it have not shot down an Indian plane doesn’t mean that it carry no missiles.

When inducted , it cannot land in night, dont have LGB and Long rand A2A ..forget about Air refuelling.

 

[Imran Khan]

because IAF is not PAF which can accept plane which cant even land in night or dont have A2A refuelling or LBG etc,


When inducted , it cannot land in night, dont have LGB and Long rand A2A ..forget about Air refuelling.

beta mig-21 (244) mirage2k (41) mig-27 (84) jaguar (95)are state of the art some 464 fighter jets which IAF fly . more then half of your airfoce is 3rd gen fighter jets which were made in mid1960-70s

 

[aman_rai]

beta mig-21 (244) mirage2k (41) mig-27 (84) jaguar (95)are state of the art some 464 fighter jets which IAF fly . more then half of your airfoce is 3rd gen fighter jets which were made in mid1960-70s

Are yaar... Look when those jets were inducted... All of the jets you have named were inducted when they were at their prime...
Everything becomes obsolete...
You named mig 21 --> paf flies f7
You named mirage 2k --> paf flies Mirage 3( it's insane to compare mirage2k with mirage 3)
You named Jaguar--> paf flies miraj 5
And you are a PDF veteran calling Mirage 2k a 3rd gen aircraft doesn't suites you
Mirage 2k is one the potent fighter jets in IAF
Even paf f16 blk 15 were 60s manufactured...
So if I go by your spectacle other then the 18 new f16 and jf everything paf flies is a 3rd gen jets which are obsolete...

 

[Sliver]

seriously - whats wrong with the clearance?
I mean, whats stopping India from mass producing this fighter? there is a thing or two you can learn from how Pakistan has handled the JF production -
1)go with reduced capabilities to achieve mass production
2)keep increasing capabilities of the aircraft while learning from the pilots
3)use the experience to sell to third party countries.

by the time the Indian LCA comes to the aspired "higher capabilities" and then start mass production, Pakistan's light fighter would reach the same capabilities and still have a hundred odd fighters already in the inventory.

 

[randomradio]

1)go with reduced capabilities to achieve mass production

Unacceptable.

2)keep increasing capabilities of the aircraft while learning from the pilots

That's the plan. But we don't take stuff that's half-ready, even if it is 2 days away from being fully ready. IAF rejected concurrency long ago. But the IAF has relaxed some parameters.

3)use the experience to sell to third party countries.

A desirable outcome, but the full production capacity will be geared to meet the IAF's demand first. The IAF don't care about exports. If left to them, they would rather ban exports.

by the time the Indian LCA comes to the aspired "higher capabilities" and then start mass production, Pakistan's light fighter would reach the same capabilities and still have a hundred odd fighters already in the inventory.

We are not really very concerned by what the PAF is doing with respect to the JF-17. They do not have the same choices to make as we do.

Upgrading fighter jets without a proper plan is not desirable.

 

[Aasimkhan]

Unacceptable.



That's the plan. But we don't take stuff that's half-ready, even if it is 2 days away from being fully ready. IAF rejected concurrency long ago. But the IAF has relaxed some parameters.



A desirable outcome, but the full production capacity will be geared to meet the IAF's demand first. The IAF don't care about exports. If left to them, they would rather ban exports.



We are not really very concerned by what the PAF is doing with respect to the JF-17. They do not have the same choices to make as we do.

Upgrading fighter jets without a proper plan is not desirable.

Oo Einstein to have something is still better than to have nothing, don't you have common sense?

Oo Einstein to have something is still better than to have nothing, don't you have common sense?

Our jf17s are combat ready today. What good are tejas if they exist on paper only?

 

[pannipaiyan]

Oo Einstein to have something is still better than to have nothing, don't you have common sense?

Lets not resort to personal insults and name calling here, shall we ?

 

[El Sidd]

This cant fly.

Its a scam.

 

[Shamsher1990]

Oo Einstein to have something is still better than to have nothing, don't you have common sense?

Well, Mr Newton, it also depends upon what one has before hand. If you are starving for a week, you will gobble bare breads --baked or not-- without any butter. Especially when you know that you cann't have butter anytime soon. If you had your breakfast, then yes, you can wait till you have both bread and butter. Common sense, eh?

I mean, whats stopping India from mass producing this fighter? there is a thing or two you can learn from how Pakistan has handled the JF production

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=557

In US, it took 1 week for complete production of one single F-16. They have multiple lines so F-16s can be produced at 20-30 planes per month during peace time. Israel used to get 2-3 planes a month of its F-16I order while UAE about 5-6. During coldwar, US has produced F-16 at 100s of planes a year.

It is strange in India, Tejas is not produced at even 2-3 planes a month. I guess HAL has too few production lines.

 

[nang2]

because IAF is not PAF which can accept plane which cant even land in night or dont have A2A refuelling or LBG etc,


When inducted , it cannot land in night, dont have LGB and Long rand A2A ..forget about Air refuelling.

Or, for PAF, a deadline is a deadline and a requirement is a requirement, something fixed before execution. For IAF, a deadline is not dead, but live and kicking. It moves on its own. the same is true for the requirement, much to the misery of HAL.

 

[El Sidd]

Or, for PAF, a deadline is a deadline and a requirement is a requirement, something fixed before execution. For IAF, a deadline is not dead, but live and kicking. It moves on its own. the same is true for the requirement, much to the misery of HAL.

So when are the 3d printed ones coming out

 

[Mrc]

So this is tejas mk 1 but that's not the model on order...

Model on order is tejas mk 1a which shud have aesa radar and what not...

So once this mk1 thing that no body is buying is finally cleared it wont actually be mass produced as it would be likely obsolete by that time....
And work will begin on mk1a...hmmmm

Mk1a only exists on paper and budget documents as work on mk1 is years from finishing...

This is like a star plus soap drama.... episode 1 ... boy looks at girl...episode 352..and they are still not talking

 

[Trisonics]

Pakistan received many JF17s from China. Heck Pakistanis could not even make the trainer version on their own. For every upgrade, they are completely reliant on China. If China stops helping them on JF17 tomorrow, its dead as a DODO. If you take it account the number of airplanes they received fully or as semi knocked down units, their own production rate sucks terribly.

India meanwhile made 3 version of the airframe already. LCA, Trainer and Naval variant. The landing gear of the naval version was over engineered but that was a lesson too. MK2 Naval version has finished wind tunnel tests and MK2 is undergoing design with newer control surfaces....and Pakistan could not even make the trainer on their own.

 

[pannipaiyan]

Pakistan received many JF17s from China. Heck Pakistanis could not even make the trainer version on their own. For every upgrade, they are completely reliant on China. If China stops helping them on JF17 tomorrow, its dead as a DODO. If you take it account the number of airplanes they received fully or as semi knocked down units, their own production rate sucks terribly.

India meanwhile made 3 version of the airframe already. LCA, Trainer and Naval variant. The landing gear of the naval version was over engineered but that was a lesson too. MK2 Naval version has finished wind tunnel tests and MK2 is undergoing design with newer control surfaces....and Pakistan could not even make the trainer on their own.

What are you saying? Don't you know they have the mighty Pakistan Aeronautical Complex KAMRA ?
They'll keep shitting JF-17s all day of the week