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Tejas grounds Medium Combat Aircraft project

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Troubles in India’s ambitious Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) project has inflicted gaping wounds where it would hurt the Indian Air Force (IAF) the most—the future plans for an Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has “put on hold” the AMCA project that is being spearheaded by Defence Research and Development Organisation’s (DRDO) Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA).

The reason for the sudden decision to send the AMCA project—which began in right earnest in 2006 as the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA) development in 2006—to cold storage is to help ADA to focus all its energies to first work on completing the much-delayed LCA project. “The AMCA has been put on hold for the moment. This decision was taken recently to let the ADA focus on the LCA project,” top Defence Ministry sources told The Sunday Standard. The AMCA project, for which the IAF provided the final Air Staff Qualitative Requirements (ASQR) in April 2010, may be taken up at a later date, sources said. But that will still be far away in the future.

India will buy Rafale planes from the French Dassault Aviation as part of its 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA); in the tender there is a provision to buy another 63 as a follow-on order. That apart, India is working on the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) in collaboration with Russia. With the final agreement on the design and development of the FGFA three months away, India will get at least 140 FGFAs for induction by 2027. Considering that most of the capabilities of AMCA will be covered by the MMRCA and FGFA planes, the revival of the AMCA will be a well thought-out one, sources said.

The AMCA’s envisaged features include stealth, multi-role operations, adequate precision strike capabilities, including critical first-day missions such as Suppression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) and Destruction of Enemy Air Defence (DEAD).

The much-touted Tejas has taken 30 years already, at an escalated project cost of Rs 5,489 crore. Since the LCA project was sanctioned in 1983 at a cost of Rs 560 crore, the time overrun has resulted in a 10-fold increase in the project cost. The plane is yet to get even its Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) so that the IAF could take the plane for a spin. But sources pointed out that the LCA still lacks certain critical capabilities, including a reliable radar, and is deficient in at least 100 technical parameters. “The plane cannot fly on its own. It needs a lifeline in the form of support and monitoring of its systems from the ground by technicians,” they said.

The LCA, in fact, gave creditable flying displays during the AeroIndia show in Yelahanka in Bangalore in February this year, and followed it up with weapons firing to hit both ground and aerial targets during the Iron Fist fire power display by the IAF in the Rajasthan’s Pokhran ranges, again in February this year. “The common man thinks the plane is doing fine, its engine sounds great and the manoeuvres are perfect. But those flying and weapons firing displays are done with ground monitoring and support. The plane is still not ready to flying on its own,” sources stressed. Their guess is the LCA may not meet its schedule of obtaining the IOC before July this year and it could take till December this year or early next year before it is ready. To give an example of LCA’s troubles, the sources noted that LCA was grounded for three months between September and December 2012 following problems with its landing gear. “Normally, a combat plane is ready for its next sortie following a 30-minute attention from ground service personnel soon after it has returned from a mission. In the case of LCA, after a single sortie of about an hour or so, it needs three days of servicing before it can go for its next sortie,” they said.

At present, the IAF has placed an order for 40 LCAs Mk1 to raise two squadrons by 2016-17 with HAL which is the nodal agency for production of Tejas. But these will be delivered with the American General Electric F404 engines which provide only 80 Kilo Newton power.

Later, 80 more LCAs of its Mk2 version will be ordered for raising four more squadrons. The LCA Mk2 will be powered by the GE F414 engines that provide a 90 Kilo Newton thrust.
Tejas grounds Medium Combat Aircraft project - The New Indian Express
 
At present, the IAF has placed an order for 40 LCAs Mk1 to raise two squadrons by 2016-17 with HAL which is the nodal agency for production of Tejas. But these will be delivered with the American General Electric F404 engines which provide only 80 Kilo Newton power.

THis part is scary.so after the FOC being given in march 2015.2 more years will take to manufacture 40 of them
 
THis part is scary.so after the FOC being given in march 2015.2 more years will take to manufacture 40 of them

No. aircraft production will start in first quarter of the next year and squadron raise only in the end of 2015 or mid 2016.
 
Will it be relevant to induct this fighter in 2020? Good decision only if they can come with LCA Mk 1, 2 in time. :tsk:
 
But sources pointed out that the LCA still lacks certain critical capabilities, including a reliable radar, and is deficient in at least 100 technical parameters.
Atleast list half of the deficient parameters.
¡°The plane cannot fly on its own. It needs a lifeline in the form of support and monitoring of its systems from the ground by technicians,¡± they said.
I thought tejas is a manned aircraft :lol:. It is understandable that PVs and LSPs are experimental vehicle,it will carry sensors which will be monitored by ground station.

The LCA, in fact, gave creditable flying displays during the AeroIndia show in Yelahanka in Bangalore in February this year, and followed it up with weapons firing to hit both ground and aerial targets during the IronFist fire power display by the IAF in the Rajasthan¡¯s Pokhran ranges, again in February this year.
Again not by IAF,but by ADA test pilots.
¡°The common man thinks the plane is doing fine, its engine sounds great and the manoeuvres are perfect. But those flying and weapons firing displays are done with ground monitoring and support. The plane is still not ready to flying on its own,¡± sources stressed.
Common man know what is going on. Since LSPs are in ADA control,it will carry sensor and ground monitoring will be done. Only SP series which will be in IAF control will not require sensors. Again i am stressing "tejas" is a manned aircraft.
 
Their guess is the LCA may not meet its schedule of obtaining the IOC before Julythis year and it could take tillDecember this year or early next year before it is ready.
Guessing is not required,since it is made clear in Aero India 2013-that IOC will be given only in later half of 2013 or first part of 2014.
To give an example of LCA¡¯stroubles, the sources noted that LCA was grounded for three months between September and December 2012 following problems with its landing gear.
It is mainly due to fuel tank design changes.
¡°Normally, a combat plane is ready for its next sortie following a 30-minute attention from ground service personnel soon after it has returned from a mission. In the case ofLCA, after a single sortie of about an hour or so, it needs three days of servicing before it can go for its next sortie,¡± they said.
Only when they handed to IAF ,they became a combat plane. Unless they are just a prototype. PVs and LSPs are not a combat planes.
 
Obviously the Tejas flies along with ground flight instrumentation..is this author a retard? Every single flight of the LCA is an exercise in data collection..which requires on-board flight instruments and off-board/ground based sensors..that doesn't mean that the LCA is being controlled by said instruments. Unless somehow we've come up with an AI system that can fly a whole damn plane.:omghaha:

On the mission and sortie rate..poor maintenance and MRO zindabad.
 
GREAT DECISION

WITH LCA TEJAS MK 1 & MK 2 & PROBABLY MK3 in the future

RAFALE license production AND THE FGFA as well there is no room or NEED for AMCA .

Those 3 fighters will form a SUPERB AIRFORCE
 
On amca front, i will wait for a credible link.

Me too.

The article funnily states that AMCA started in 2006 !!!!

How much money has been spend of AMCA - perhaps not even 10-15 crores.... or even lower .. only as much needed for building a proposal.

You can't put on hold something which is not yet started. :laugh:

AMCA is at a proposal stage, not at a project stage. (even before this ludicrous "news" item).
 
Me too.

The article funnily states that AMCA started in 2006 !!!!

How much money has been spend of AMCA - perhaps not even 10-15 crores.... or even lower .. only as much needed for building a proposal.

You can't put on hold something which is not yet started. :laugh:

AMCA is at a proposal stage, not at a project stage. (even before this ludicrous "news" item).

are you thinking thet designing phase is like drawing a cartoon. do you know how much time,resource and man power it will take for just scaling out a basic aerodynamic and overall specifications. And FYI our MoD already released more than 100 crores for amca designing phase and for first prototype,it will take minimum 6000 crores in current INR exchange rate. and its not in a proposal stage, it has crossed the scale model stage.Now aerodynamic characteristics of the design have been checked out in wind tunnel. at this stage they put on hold.
 
are you thinking thet designing phase is like drawing a cartoon. do you know how much time,resource and man power it will take for just scaling out a basic aerodynamic and overall specifications. And FYI our MoD already released more than 100 crores for amca designing phase and for first prototype,it will take minimum 6000 crores in current INR exchange rate. and its not in a proposal stage, it has crossed the scale model stage.Now aerodynamic characteristics of the design have been checked out in wind tunnel. at this stage they put on hold.

In a nutshell, 100 crores out of 6000 crores is spent.. essentially, the point I was emphasising.

And 2006 - AMCA begun is nothing but equivalent to saying that 1983 LCA begun.
 

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