Tarek Fatah - India without SINDH, SINDHU is not INDIA

[Indus Pakistan]

Fact: 90% of Pakistan is native composite. It is the pre-IVC people, IVC people and the 99 other layers of sediment that has been deposited in Indus Pakistan over the preceeding 5,000 years. It's called evolution. All people evolve. The British today are not exactly the same British as 5,000 years ago. This evolution is applicable everywhere. Maybe not in some isloated jungles in India where you still have original Indians like those genetic horors called the Adivasi??

 

[Mamluk]

The East Islander negroids’ history is Varanasi too.

Onge and Jarawa migrated to Andamans when Varanasi became unlivable for some God-Knows-why reason. They are the original Varanasites.

#ReturnVaranasiToOnge

 

[RaGotimaar]

Dam

Who the fcuk told you we claim Middle Eastern ancestry. Bar a few Syeds who are palpably fake I have not come across Pakistani's claming ME ancestry. I notice you Gangoo's make this claim often. No idea where this delusion comes from. Yeh if a Pakistani has got curly hair like those Makrani's maybe that might carry some ME connection. But fact is Arab involvement with Pakistan was short and limited. It only stretched to Sindh province and never went beyond that.

Just a few posts before someone tried to claim IVC was middle eastern ...
...
...
Idk it seems it's like a big deal for Pakistanis to claim ancestry with middle East and pretend to be more muslim. A flawed thinking. Your society tries to emulate middle eastern society. Some try too hard.

And kindly tell me what is Pakistani ancestry? What's it called?

 

[Mamluk]

Just a few posts before someone tried to claim IVC was middle eastern ...

Idk it seems it's like a big deal for Pakistanis ...

IVC (not modern Pakistan you idiot) was started by farmers from Middle East. Read the journal article I posted.

Farming was independently developed only 3 times in Human history:
- in Fertile Crescent
- in China (around Yellow river)
- in Mexico

Farmers moved to Europe and Indus from Middle East and started Urban civilizations.

These guys are called "Neolithic Iranian/Anatolian" farmers in all Academic literature.

---

It's a big deal because you keep insisting IVC started in Ganges-Saraswati and moved West. Just trying to tell you it's the other way around.

 

[RaGotimaar]

Where did you see me make any reference to skin color at all?

This is what I call inferiority complex.

Your friends keeps mentioning something called gangoo-negroid. You both seem to share the same line of thinking regarding classification of people.

 

[django]

Another confused dude arrived in line, haha Sindhu is a Sanskrit word meaning a large water body. The Arabian sea was called Sindhu Sagar. The first use of Hindu was by the Persians which was not a religion but a people who lived there. And Hindus are not really polytheist.

You first need to qualify the internet search knowledge to qualify for my next reply. Then you can cry like this.
Sir. Django, why don't you buzz off.

The locals never ever referred to themselves as Hindu/Sindhu, stop trying to misquote me, and the Brits used term Hindu, Persian used word Sindhu.

 

[RaGotimaar]

Bangalis should have rights to every monument in India. They were once the SAME country. The Golden Temple, Varanasi, and Mumbai Tallest Building are all integral parts of Bangladesh.

They're all integral parts of * WEST BENGAL. Nobody's stopping Bangladeshis from teaching and cherishing their history and visiting these monuments. Just buy the ticket

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Just a few posts before someone tried to claim IVC was middle eastern

No. That link showed interaction of ideas. Dissemination of cultures. Not genetic displacement. In terms of genetics we are more related to Iranians then Arabs. As I said before only Sindh was occupied but even that had nominal influence on Sindhi DNA. In fact Sindhi's are closer to Pakhtun's then Arabs. Yes, sure we have been influenced by Islam. But so has Turks, Bosnian Europeans, Malays, Indonesians, Iranians, Berbers in Alegria, Tatars in Russia. Christianity is also a Semite religion but today the descendants of Romans and Greeks/Europe follow that religion. It does not make us Semites or Arabs.

 

[Maarkhoor]

.... Isi should send him a McDonald beef burger and then watch the show

We don't have time to execute a paid joker, Even he proving Indian R&AW a mess.

 

[Mamluk]

No. That link showed interaction of ideas. Dissemination of cultures. Not genetic displacement.

The genetic influence of Neolithic Iranian farmers is massive.

Most of Baloch and Sindhi DNA is from these farmers.

Pashtuns and Punjabis are more balanced between Steppe (Indo-Iranian) and neolithic farmer DNA, with Punjabis having some significant ASI (~ 15%, still less than most Indian Brahmins.)

----

Having said that, all the ethnicities are now native to this land. The farmers arrived 9000 years ago in Mehrgarh. That's old enough to become native.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

As final thought for the day. It is immensely amusing to see these Hindutwa fanatics ramapaging. Most of them using the Brahmin lens are just Negroid-Aboriginal mix. Then they go pick and kill other Negroid-Aboriginal mix called Dalits or Muslims. And then you have a sliver of 1% Brahmin looking down at all the scum whose mere shadow pollutes their diginity. What perversion this is. I sometimes get strung about our Mullahs. Boy in comparison our lot are virtue of egalatarinism.

Anyway thank god for that 'caste' boundary called the Radclife Line. Let this 1 billion pool of negroid-abos stay locked out. Thank you Mr Mohhamed Ali Jinnah. Even if Two Nation Theory was a biggest fraud of the 20th century. Who cares. We got our 'caste boundary' and 'caste partition'. Salute to the Pakistan/Indian border!

 

[RaGotimaar]

IVC (not modern Pakistan you idiot) was started by farmers from Middle East. Read the journal article I posted.

Farming was independently developed only 3 times in Human history:
- in Fertile Crescent
- in China (around Yellow river)
- in Mexico

Farmers moved to Europe and Indus from Middle East and started Urban civilizations.

These guys are called "Neolithic Iranian/Anatolian" farmers in all Academic literature.

---

It's a big deal because you keep insisting IVC started in Ganges-Saraswati and moved West. Just trying to tell you it's the other way around.

Neolithic is just the tool making. Agriculture can exist and happen without tools.

And that study is based on archaeological dating which is almost always inaccurate. India Pakistan both need to carbon date these IVC sites

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Having said that, all the ethnicities are now native to this land. The farmers arrived 9000 years ago in Mehrgarh. That's old enough to become native.

I want to stress this. No population can possibly be exactly the same as 9,000 years ago. Even if there is no genetic mixing there is genetic drift. In our case we must remember that most Pakistani's [excess of 90%] are native composites. Meaning they are the natives of the Indus 10,000 years ago and every layer of migration we have recieved since - mostly from the west. All of us have layer after layer after layer but underneath all that is the layer that was their when Mehr Garh took root. This journey is ours. No Odishan, Tamil, Bengali, Maratha, Telagu, Assamese has followed our evolution trail. That is unique to us.

Yes they have had theirs. But that is theirs. Nothing to do with us. What I take exception to is when these mongrels try to trip into our journey through time. And have you read 'The Indus Saga:Making of Pakistan' by Aitzaz Ahsan? Geat book

 

[django]

Oh really. Who's Adi Sankara? Is he someone more important than the 4 Vedas and Upanishads? He is just a philosopher, not a surveyor and 4 mathas? You don't even know what they are. They are teaching places where Advaita Vedanta is taught (monastery). Not the boundaries of India, what are you trying to prove with the Adi Sankara and his monasteries for Advaita Vedanta?

Waste of time.




You trumped my Sanskrit knowledge with your own definition for Mutt. Guru Django

LOL He was/is honored as "Jagadguru", a title that was used earlier only to Krishna.....The Vedas are from the Indus not from your Ganga forests (And no in reality their is no mighty mythical Saraswati) and keep your Ganga Upanishads, they have NOTHING to do with my forefathers, forefathers from the region known as Ghandara.........As for mathas they were indeed the cultural boundaries of so-called BhaRAT, and of course I know what they, but you clearly did not get the point I was making, let me give you an basic analogy if I was to show two people a plastic cup and ask them what it is, one may answer a piece of plastic while the other may say an object to drink from, both are right yet the more appropriate definition would be an drinking object, in the context of this discussion the point I was making is those monasteries were more cultural/regional boundaries Westernmost in Dwarka, Gujarat, Northernmost in Uttarakhand, Southernmost in Karnataka and Easternmost in Bengal, non of these lands is anywhere near my beautiful Pakistan or IOK, as anyone with any sense can deduce Adi certainly did not consider coterminous Pakistan part of his culture or spiritual sphere.Ganagdesh Mata Ki Jai

And Tartek Fatah looks like a archetypal Muslim convert from India. Part Dalit is writ on his face.

He is a genuine contender for title of World ugliest man, no question about it.Kudos Sir

 

[MultaniGuy]

Dam


Just a few posts before someone tried to claim IVC was middle eastern ...
...
...
Idk it seems it's like a big deal for Pakistanis to claim ancestry with middle East and pretend to be more muslim. A flawed thinking. Your society tries to emulate middle eastern society. Some try too hard.

And kindly tell me what is Pakistani ancestry? What's it called?

Listen retard. No Pakistani claims to be Middle Eastern. We Pakistanis are South Asian.

Secondly Tarak Fateh is another idiot. I wouldn't pay any attention to him.