Tamil nationalists, Dravidian ideologues locked in battle

[Established_1965]

There are videos of him abusing Goddess Saraswati and Lord. Murugan.

He can leave Hinduism, that does not give him the right to abuse it. He can leave his house, that does not give him right to abuse his parents.

His religion matters because no one will care if he abuses his own religion, he has no right to abuse others religion.

He is abusive because he is a bigot and a hater.

YSR never openly professed his religion, most people did not even know he was a christian till his BIL started preaching and conversion spree. He in fact took pains to showcase his Hindu roots and heritage. Moreover YSR was a "Reddy" and THAT was his primary identity.


If all this was not enough, Seeman's heroes are Hitler and Saddam Hussein.

The only divide and attempting to rule seems to be by Simon.



The Church just fished in troubled waters like they always did from time immemorial.

The church of Norway just took advantage of their desperate situation to "win followers and influence people".by exploiting their hardship. This methods are as old as the church itself and have been used from Americans to Africa to Asia.

Same thing happened in India, in Nagaland, Tamil Nadu, Arunachal Pradesh etc. They step in, exploit, convert, stir up trouble, and then step in to "solve" the issue and show us the path to "peace".

LTTE were just opportunistic or maybe desperate enough to do the deal with the devil in hopes of getting their homeland. In the end they lost everything. Their culture, their home, their religion and their future.

WTF!!.
that idiot compared LKY with Adolf Hitler :O

 

[ShankaraBharanam]

WTF!!.
that idiot compared LKY with Adolf Hitler :O

He has put Hitler who believed in Race supremacy besides that of Nelson Mandela who fought against the practice of Race Supremacy. LOL.

I think calling him an idiot is kind.

 

[Immortan.Joe]

He has put Hitler who believed in Race supremacy besides that of Nelson Mandela who fought against the practice of Race Supremacy. LOL.

I think calling him an idiot is kind.

A Tamil who consider Hitler as his hero! LOL!! A BIG LOL!!

As per Aryan-Dravidian theory, this s€men will be worth less than that of an insect in third reich. Not that Reich would love Indians in general, but it would be relatively worse for some low caste Tamil who would be lumped along with negros in Nazi race hierarchy and treated worse than an insect.

 

[Nexus]

we can still correct mistake of our ancestors... by dividing S.Asia on race/Language base.

 

[ShankaraBharanam]

we can still correct mistake of our ancestors... by dividing S.Asia on race/Language base.

Sorry to disappoint you, but what you do not know is that our ancestors tried that too.

Only the Muslims Bengali's in Bangladesh wanted nothing to do with Hindu bengalis and Bengal was partitioned in 1905 on the demands of the large Muslim population of Bengal.

Turns out that the Hindus Bengali's was enraged and protested, even called it "divide and rule". But the Muslims formed the "Muslim League" and insisted on the partition.

Hindu pressure on the then british govt. resulted in Bengal getting back together in 1913 but the muslims again came together and demanded a Separate state and in 1946 gave the Muslim League 425 out of 476 seats reserved for Muslims (and about 89.2% of Muslim votes). This time the muslims partitioned Punjabis, Rajasthani, Gujarati and Kashmiri speakers for good measure.

Funny how that played out.

But looks like you refuse to learn from history. As they say, those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

So Thanks, but not Thanks to your offer.

 

[Maravan]

Hitler loved german and promoted pro-germanism,love tamil like that and promote pro-tamil views.
Mandela fought oppression by taking over the authority with the support of his people, make the power yours like that and free yourself against cultural opression.
Our voices were always ignored by the centre, raise like how the ignored LKY raised better than the other malaysian provinces.

From every leader a better quality has taken as a model, from Mandela to Arafat and fidel castro, everyone tried armed revolution, he didn't took that model. Here he tooks ambedkar's word "authority is the most powerful weapon, take that weapon first before anything else" that's why he is contesting election to take the most powerful weapon.

Previous posts of hindutvadis just shows why conversion of the oppressed to other religions are justified, Muhammad asked only a black man to lead the prayers in mecca after his first entrance, Jesus blessed a black prostitute and wiped her sins who was ignored by everyone. Hindutuvadi bigots favor caste discrimination from the times of Golwalkar, not a surprise people prefer other religions who treats them as equal.

 

[ShankaraBharanam]

Hitler loved german and promoted pro-germanism,love tamil like that and promote pro-tamil views.
Mandela fought oppression by taking over the authority with the support of his people, make the power yours like that and free yourself against cultural opression.
Our voices were always ignored by the centre, raise like how the ignored LKY raised better than the other malaysian provinces.

From every leader a better quality has taken as a model, from Mandela to Arafat and fidel castro, everyone tried armed revolution, he didn't took that model. Here he tooks ambedkar's word "authority is the most powerful weapon, take that weapon first before anything else" that's why he is contesting election to take the most powerful weapon.

Previous posts of hindutvadis just shows why conversion of the oppressed to other religions are justified, Muhammad asked only a black man to lead the prayers in mecca after his first entrance, Jesus blessed a black prostitute and wiped her sins who was ignored by everyone. Hindutuvadi bigots favor caste discrimination from the times of Golwalkar, not a surprise people prefer other religions who treats them as equal.

If Hilter loved german or the german people he would not have killed germans who were homosexual, jews or mentally challenged. Hitler assassinated hundreds of top Nazi SA's (Sturmabteilung) in 1934, who under Ernst Rohm were becoming a strong competitor to the SS (Schutzstaffel); He also executed around 5,000 Germans after the 1944 plot on his life. The Nazi's alone killed 2,88,000 Germans.

Hitler ended up killing a total of 11 Million Germans. He is officially the worlds No. 1 Killer of Germans in all of History.

But all the best for adopting him as the lover of German. Now replace German with Tamil and realize the wonder that he was.

Why did Muhammed not ask a WOMAN to lead his prayer in Mecca ?

Hindutvadi are the only people who fight against Jati discrimination, unlike Tamil christians who not only have separate church for the Dalits, but also a separate graveyard. One would have thought that at least in death Tamil Christians granted "equality' to fellow dalits.

See the wall separating the two Graveyard ?

 

[Maravan]

If Hilter loved german or the german people he would not have killed germans who were homosexual, jews or mentally challenged. Hitler assassinated hundreds of top Nazi SA's (Sturmabteilung) in 1934, who under Ernst Rohm were becoming a strong competitor to the SS (Schutzstaffel); He also executed around 5,000 Germans after the 1944 plot on his life. The Nazi's alone killed 2,88,000 Germans.

Hitler ended up killing a total of 11 Million Germans. He is officially the worlds No. 1 Killer of Germans in all of History.

But all the best for adopting him as the lover of German. Now replace German with Tamil and realize the wonder that he was.

Why did Muhammed not ask a WOMAN to lead his prayer in Mecca?

Hindutvadi are the only people who fight against Jati discrimination, unlike Tamil christians who not only have separate church for the Dalits, but also a separate graveyard. One would have thought that at least in death Tamil Christians granted "equality' to fellow dalits.

See the wall separating the two Graveyard ?

inan

Hitler killed jews because he believed jewish financiers pushed the world towards WWI which costed more than a lakh german causalities. Hitler rose to power only after seeing deaths of more than a lakh casualties of germans in the WWI. The method he used to handle others might have been different, but the love he showed towards german is extrordinary, that even germans wont deny. Here seeman takes only the way he loved german, not the way how he treated others. Even the guns of Mandela, arafat, castro killed many, that doesn't mean their love for their people is a lie. while burning a poisonous tree some birds nest will also burn, thats also part of a war. And we weren't the ones who rallied behind gandhis, we were the ones rallied behind subash to oppose british, we always loved bold leaders with huge pairs, Historically we are not a kind giving heeds to verbal rhetorics and believing in begging for equality.

Hindutvadi's fighting caste discrimination can be the biggest joke on earth, the one who founded caste discrimination are boasting about caste abolition. Of course even christians believe about caste in tamil nadu and its done only by the high caste converts, the caste dirt rotted TN for more than 1000years can't be cleaned in a short span.

 

[ShankaraBharanam]

Hitler killed jews because he believed jewish financiers pushed the world towards WWI which costed more than a lakh german causalities. Hitler rose to power only after seeing deaths of more than a lakh casualties of germans in the WWI. The method he used to handle others might have been different, but the love he showed towards german is extrordinary, that even germans wont deny. Here seeman takes only the way he loved german, not the way how he treated others. Even the guns of Mandela, arafat, castro killed many, that doesn't mean their love for their people is a lie. while burning a poisonous tree some birds nest will also burn, thats also part of a war. And we weren't the ones who rallied behind gandhis, we were the ones rallied behind subash to oppose british, we always loved bold leaders with huge pairs, Historically we are not a kind giving heeds to verbal rhetorics and believing in begging for equality.

Hindutvadi's fighting caste discrimination can be the biggest joke on earth, the one who founded caste discrimination are boasting about caste abolition. Of course even christians believe about caste in tamil nadu and its done only by the high caste converts, the caste dirt rotted TN for more than 1000years can't be cleaned in a short span.

Why Hitler Killed is irrelevant. Hitler could have very well believed that jews were Aliens or even children of satan. He is entitled to his beliefs.

He is just not entitled to kill people for his beliefs.

Germany was the aggressor in WW1. Thanks to Hitler they have the dubious distinction of being the aggressor of WW2 too.

Germans today Hate Hitler. He is the most hated man in Germany. No german will name his child Hitler. Your claims are not based on reality, its based on fantasy. Both mandela and Arafat renounced violence. Love for people is not proved by taking up a gun and killing for your cause, it is proven by throwing down your gun and LIVING for your cause.

If you really believe in equality, you will not be begging for it, you will be acting like one. But are you ? you are not. You are busy trying to spin an flimsy linguistic identity based on a fantasy of superiority. It is the very opposite of equality.

Hindutvadi did not create caste system or discrimination. It was the British who created the Caste system from 1860 to 1901 by forcibly assigning "caste" to various "jatis" and demolishing the Hindu Varna system that actually eliminated the Jati identity and helped people choose their own Varna.

It is the Hindutvadi's who has fought to eliminate this poison the british injected into the India society. So for all practical purpose the people who assign "caste" to hindus are just the lackeys of the British. They mordern day sepoys of the "British raj", compelled by Stockholm syndrome to perpetuate the British propaganda till they come face to face with a hindutvadi who can demolish this Lies.

Earlier you claimed conversion eliminated caste difference, and now you are claiming conversions continued the caste differences. Make up your mind and stick to one story.

 

[Maravan]

Why Hitler Killed is irrelevant. Hitler could have very well believed that jews were Aliens or even children of satan. He is entitled to his beliefs.

He is just not entitled to kill people for his beliefs.

Germany was the aggressor in WW1. Thanks to Hitler they have the dubious distinction of being the aggressor of WW2 too.

Germans today Hate Hitler. He is the most hated man in Germany. No german will name his child Hitler. Your claims are not based on reality, its based on fantasy. Both mandela and Arafat renounced violence. Love for people is not proved by taking up a gun and killing for your cause, it is proven by throwing down your gun and LIVING for your cause.

If you really believe in equality, you will not be begging for it, you will be acting like one. But are you ? you are not. You are busy trying to spin an flimsy linguistic identity based on a fantasy of superiority. It is the very opposite of equality.

Hindutvadi did not create caste system or discrimination. It was the British who created the Caste system from 1860 to 1901 by forcibly assigning "caste" to various "jatis" and demolishing the Hindu Varna system that actually eliminated the Jati identity and helped people choose their own Varna.

It is the Hindutvadi's who has fought to eliminate this poison the british injected into the India society. So for all practical purpose the people who assign "caste" to hindus are just the lackeys of the British. They mordern day sepoys of the "British raj", compelled by Stockholm syndrome to perpetuate the British propaganda till they come face to face with a hindutvadi who can demolish this Lies.

Earlier you claimed conversion eliminated caste difference, and now you are claiming conversions continued the caste differences. Make up your mind and stick to one story.

Germans don't name hitler? Ok how many named as modi in india? Naming doesn't talks about ones personality, how the germans rallied behind him before the WW? Only reason is german, this what seeman claims, love tamil like the way hitler loved german, he didn't claim kill the telugus, like the way hitler killed jews. What's your point finally? Seeman put hitler pic, so he is a dictator? Still he will be a better dictator than Indian dictatorship that bars ours cultural practices and don't listen our voices.

British assigned caste names to various jati? Can you enlighten me with the difference between jati and caste? Can you tell me a single caste name that originated after the british? Don't blame on the british for your historical blunders. Whats mean by shudra in your varna system? Isn't looking like a joke, hindutvadis fight caste discrimination?

I justified conversation, still i claim people believed other religions treat them as equal and don't claim anyone as untouchable, you have a varna called shudra/dalit whatever to define them, so they converted. I never claimed conversion routed out caste system. You better read my post again.

 

[ShankaraBharanam]

Germans don't name hitler? Ok how many named as modi in india? Naming doesn't talks about ones personality, how the germans rallied behind him before the WW? Only reason is german, this what seeman claims, love tamil like the way hitler loved german, he didn't claim kill the telugus, like the way hitler killed jews. What's your point finally? Seeman put hitler pic, so he is a dictator? Still he will be a better dictator than Indian dictatorship that bars ours cultural practices and don't listen our voices.

British assigned caste names to various jati? Can you enlighten me with the difference between jati and caste? Can you tell me a single caste name that originated after the british? Don't blame on the british for your historical blunders. Whats mean by shudra in your varna system? Isn't looking like a joke, hindutvadis fight caste discrimination?

I justified conversation, still i claim people believed other religions treat them as equal and don't claim anyone as untouchable, you have a varna called shudra/dalit whatever to define them, so they converted. I never claimed conversion routed out caste system. You better read my post again.

There are Plenty of Modi's in India. It is a generic name meaning Grocer also known as Baniya. It is also a very common surname. The owner of spice jet airlines is B.K Modi. IPL chief's name was Lalit Modi, Chairman of Tata Steel was Rusi Modi,

The PM's name is "Narendra" which is also a Tamil name. It means "Nar Indra", i.e. King of Men. Again its a very common Indian name.

In all honesty seeman is not worthy of my attention or my consideration. I was only pointing out the obvious.

All Jati's in India was covered under census and assigned a caste name by 1901, so how can a new Jati emerge after that ? If no new jati is discovered, how can a new caste name originate ? Its a self defeating argument.

I am not blaming the British, I am only stating a historical Fact.

Shudra is one of the Varna and anyone who owned Land or Animals as asset was classified as Shudra. It has NOTHING to do with Dalit.

Dalit were people who was thrown out of their Jati. It could be for any reason, for marrying their sister, for eating beef, for killing their parent etc. ANY of the Varna could be a Dalit if they were thrown out of their Jati. From Brahmin to Vaishya to Kshtriya to Shudra.

Because they were outside their Jati, they were also outside the "Caste" when it was fixed by the British. They thus became the "OUT Caste". People outside the designate "caste", since they did not have any Jathi.

 

[takeiteasy]

2. Trichy will be made administrative capital, to ease the pressure on chennai, since trichy is at the centre of TN, people from any-part can reach the capital with ease for anyworks. New flag will be introduced for the state like karnataka.

That will be the end of British Raj capital Madras..If Trichnappally is made the capital, all the cities in the western, central and South Tamilnadu will start developing fast. Chennai lobby will perish and Chennai as city will grow neutrally. People from kanniyakunwari and Pollachi need not travel 600kms to reach their capital. Tomorrow Kovai will grow to be a Bangalore, Madurai, Trinnavelli, Salem all will see fast development.

As an example, In Kerala, Travancore Rajah bullied Union government to make Trivandrum as capital during Thiru-Kochi formation. Trivendrum is otherwise a small city which relies on funds from the state mostly ruled by Rajah's chelas and Tamil Iyengars. Now, Trivandrum as capital is almost non-functional and Kochi and rest of Kerala cities and towns are growing fast. During the formation days, Trivandrum lobby imagined Trivandrum will become a Bombay or Bangalore just by the funding and forcing rest of the Kerala to rely on that city. But, Rest of the Kerala, rejected that hegemony - long back.

This can happen in Tamilnadu also. Trichy as capital is a existing demand for decades and NO body was able to overcome the Chennai lobby's pressure is sad considering Tamil Nationalism is mostly concentrated on the southern region, YET they don't have the political power to shift the capital.

 

[ShankaraBharanam]

That will be the end of British Raj capital Madras..If Trichnappally is made the capital, all the cities in the western, central and South Tamilnadu will start developing fast. Chennai lobby will perish and Chennai as city will grow neutrally. People from kanniyakunwari and Pollachi need not travel 600kms to reach their capital. Tomorrow Kovai will grow to be a Bangalore, Madurai, Trinnavelli, Salem all will see fast development.

As an example, In Kerala, Travancore Rajah bullied Union government to make Trivandrum as capital during Thiru-Kochi formation. Trivendrum is otherwise a small city which relies on funds from the state mostly ruled by Rajah's chelas and Tamil Iyengars. Now, Trivandrum as capital is almost non-functional and Kochi and rest of Kerala cities and towns are growing fast. During the formation days, Trivandrum lobby imagined Trivandrum will become a Bombay or Bangalore just by the funding and forcing rest of the Kerala to rely on that city. But, Rest of the Kerala, rejected that hegemony - long back.

This can happen in Tamilnadu also. Trichy as capital is a existing demand for decades and NO body was able to overcome the Chennai lobby's pressure is sad considering Tamil Nationalism is mostly concentrated on the southern region, YET they don't have the political power to shift the capital.

Though it is true that the Travancore Rajah bargained hard to get his pound of flesh, Trivandrum was made capital for another more practical reason, it was the only city which had a large enough government infrastructure to govern the entire combined state of Kerala. It also had the largest pool of english educated Malayalees who could govern and coordinate with Delhi. The Rajah of Cochin bargained for the capital too but settled for having the High court in Cochin. A political settlement where everybody got something.

Chennai was made the capital for the same reason. It had the necessary infrastructure to govern Madras presidency.

You can always shift the capital city, but it will cost at least 4-5 Billion $. How can that be a priority of a state where the per capital income is 3,000 $ per annum.

 

[Maravan]

That will be the end of British Raj capital Madras..If Trichnappally is made the capital, all the cities in the western, central and South Tamilnadu will start developing fast. Chennai lobby will perish and Chennai as city will grow neutrally. People from kanniyakunwari and Pollachi need not travel 600kms to reach their capital. Tomorrow Kovai will grow to be a Bangalore, Madurai, Trinnavelli, Salem all will see fast development.

As an example, In Kerala, Travancore Rajah bullied Union government to make Trivandrum as capital during Thiru-Kochi formation. Trivendrum is otherwise a small city which relies on funds from the state mostly ruled by Rajah's chelas and Tamil Iyengars. Now, Trivandrum as capital is almost non-functional and Kochi and rest of Kerala cities and towns are growing fast. During the formation days, Trivandrum lobby imagined Trivandrum will become a Bombay or Bangalore just by the funding and forcing rest of the Kerala to rely on that city. But, Rest of the Kerala, rejected that hegemony - long back.

This can happen in Tamilnadu also. Trichy as capital is a existing demand for decades and NO body was able to overcome the Chennai lobby's pressure is sad considering Tamil Nationalism is mostly concentrated on the southern region, YET they don't have the political power to shift the capital.

If trichy becomes capital, from any part of TN one can reach the capital in 4-5 hrs and they can complete their work the same day and return. For people from southern parts, it takes 2days to come and complete any administrative work in chennai.

It's not only NTK that claims to change the capital, even PMK(contesting solo) and DMDK favors to make trichy as the capital. It's highly unlikely that anyone will get majority this time. To make the government ADMK or DMK will need these parties support, so this time the chances are high to make trichy as capital.

Tamil nationalism is much intense than the south in the northern regions like, cuddalore, nagapattinam, salem and all the places where vanniyars dominate. That is the reason seeman contesting in cuddalore, even though he came from the south.

 

[dadeechi]

What is the main difference between Tamil and Dravidian etc such and such

Also , How are south indians different from Srilankans

Dravidianism denotes tamils, malayalis, kannadigas, and telugus. Tamil nationalism is about only tamils.

The correct answer is

Dravidians are descendants of Maharishi Agastya and people who have settled south of the Vindhya mountains

Tamil Nationalists are anti-nationals supported by foreign funded NGOs and certain Churches.