Tamil nationalists, Dravidian ideologues locked in battle

[Maravan]

http://m.thehindu.com/news/cities/c...deologues-locked-in-battle/article8325589.ece

Battle for tamil nadu has turned fierce, with the ultra tamil nationalist party NTK(we tamils) contesting solo in all the 234 constituencies.

Though the party will not get the power this time, they are just waiting to make a huge impact this time. No white beards on the party campaign and meets, it's all young blood which is on the boil.

Extraordinary policies projected in their manifesto with clear outline and way it would be implemented, which even forced DMK to cry about agriculture. Veerapan solvo against amma, forced ADMK to allocate seats to 42 vanniyar candidates for the first time.

We won't say we will do this if we come, we will come for sure and we will do this. Extraordinary Mr.Seeman, tamil nadu is seeing a leader with huge pairs after a long time. Appreciate the courage to go solo against heavyweights, as you claimed while starting the party. No channel has reporting your party, but you have reached every corner which is your first victory.

Great times ahead in TN...

 

[ShankaraBharanam]

This the same party of Simon right ? also known as "Seeman"

Tamil Nationalism is the only way he can make Tamil Hindus to vote for a Christian Bigot like him.

Here is a summary of Sebastian Seeman’s public speeches on the court verdict on the Babri Masjid demolition:

1. Hindus worship a stone as God and later claim that the stone has created them.
2. What is created by the God of Hindus? Are ‘modakas’ offered by Hindus to their God, also made by their God?
3. Lord Rama’s father, king Dasharatha who had 60,000 wives must have died of AIDS.
4. How can Ram who was given birth by such a person (Dasharatha) be a God?
5. Can any true Hindu tell me what is the Shiva-linga?
6. Hindu women do ‘abhishek’ on the Shiva-linga. Can Hindus tell me when they perform puja of the Shivalinga, what exactly do they worship?
7. Can any true Hindu tell me how was Ganapati created?
8. How can Rama who doubted own wife, be a God?
9. If the deities of Hindus have incarnated in different forms, why are they not known all over the world? How did they incarnate only in India.

Charming Man.

Here is the video of him saying all this and more.

 

[Maravan]

This the same party of Simon right ? also known as "Seeman"

Tamil Nationalism is the only way he can make Tamil Hindus to vote for a Christian Bigot like him.

Here is a summary of Sebastian Seeman’s public speeches on the court verdict on the Babri Masjid demolition:

1. Hindus worship a stone as God and later claim that the stone has created them.
2. What is created by the God of Hindus? Are ‘modakas’ offered by Hindus to their God, also made by their God?
3. Lord Rama’s father, king Dasharatha who had 60,000 wives must have died of AIDS.
4. How can Ram who was given birth by such a person (Dasharatha) be a God?
5. Can any true Hindu tell me what is the Shiva-linga?
6. Hindu women do ‘abhishek’ on the Shiva-linga. Can Hindus tell me when they perform puja of the Shivalinga, what exactly do they worship?
7. Can any true Hindu tell me how was Ganapati created?
8. How can Rama who doubted own wife, be a God?
9. If the deities of Hindus have incarnated in different forms, why are they not known all over the world? How did they incarnate only in India.

Charming Man.

Here is the video of him saying all this and more.

Who cares about his religion, as long as he delivers the expectations? He is not a decendant of any anglo indian, he is one among the many who left hinduism and he even blasted jesus christ. He told even in the mmk meeting, islam in your religion not your identity. When christian ysr become CM in andhra, why a christian tamil should not be a CM? Divide and rule policy again?

Above all everyone crying about caste abolition, but allocate only reserved constitution to dalits. He is the first leader to announce 20 dalit candidates in general constitutions.

 

[Gibbs]

This the same party of Simon right ? also known as "Seeman"

Tamil Nationalism is the only way he can make Tamil Hindus to vote for a Christian Bigot like him.

Here is a summary of Sebastian Seeman’s public speeches on the court verdict on the Babri Masjid demolition:

1. Hindus worship a stone as God and later claim that the stone has created them.
2. What is created by the God of Hindus? Are ‘modakas’ offered by Hindus to their God, also made by their God?
3. Lord Rama’s father, king Dasharatha who had 60,000 wives must have died of AIDS.
4. How can Ram who was given birth by such a person (Dasharatha) be a God?
5. Can any true Hindu tell me what is the Shiva-linga?
6. Hindu women do ‘abhishek’ on the Shiva-linga. Can Hindus tell me when they perform puja of the Shivalinga, what exactly do they worship?
7. Can any true Hindu tell me how was Ganapati created?
8. How can Rama who doubted own wife, be a God?
9. If the deities of Hindus have incarnated in different forms, why are they not known all over the world? How did they incarnate only in India.

Charming Man.

Here is the video of him saying all this and more.

One of the main benefactors of Tamil extremism and terrorism in both Northern SL and Southern India has been the Church, From the majority of the leadership of the LTTE including Prabhakaran, Charles Anthony to people like Seeman, Fr Emmanual and even SJV Chelvanayakam were all Catholics.. It's a complete ruse that they propagated that Tamil Hindu's were targeted just to mislead rest of the Indians.. Religion were never a aspect of the Sri Lankan conflict

http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=2745

http://www.vigilonline.com/index.ph...-and-ltte-part-ii&catid=60:religion&Itemid=81

 

[ShankaraBharanam]

Who cares about his religion, as long as he delivers the expectations? He is not a decendant of any anglo indian, he is one among the many who left hinduism and he even blasted jesus christ. He told even in the mmk meeting, islam in your religion not your identity. When christian ysr become CM in andhra, why a christian tamil should not be a CM? Divide and rule policy again?

Above all everyone crying about caste abolition, but allocate only reserved constitution to dalits. He is the first leader to announce 20 dalit candidates in general constitutions.

There are videos of him abusing Goddess Saraswati and Lord. Murugan.

He can leave Hinduism, that does not give him the right to abuse it. He can leave his house, that does not give him right to abuse his parents.

His religion matters because no one will care if he abuses his own religion, he has no right to abuse others religion.

He is abusive because he is a bigot and a hater.

YSR never openly professed his religion, most people did not even know he was a christian till his BIL started preaching and conversion spree. He in fact took pains to showcase his Hindu roots and heritage. Moreover YSR was a "Reddy" and THAT was his primary identity.


If all this was not enough, Seeman's heroes are Hitler and Saddam Hussein.

The only divide and attempting to rule seems to be by Simon.

One of the main benefactors of Tamil extremism and terrorism in both Northern SL and Southern India has been the Church, From the majority of the leadership of the LTTE including Prabhakaran, Charles Anthony to people like Seeman, Fr Emmanual and even SJV Chelvanayakam were all Catholics.. It's a complete ruse that they propagated that Tamil Hindu's were targeted just to mislead rest of the Indians.. Religion were never a aspect of the Sri Lankan conflict

http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=2745

http://www.vigilonline.com/index.ph...-and-ltte-part-ii&catid=60:religion&Itemid=81

The Church just fished in troubled waters like they always did from time immemorial.

The church of Norway just took advantage of their desperate situation to "win followers and influence people".by exploiting their hardship. This methods are as old as the church itself and have been used from Americans to Africa to Asia.

Same thing happened in India, in Nagaland, Tamil Nadu, Arunachal Pradesh etc. They step in, exploit, convert, stir up trouble, and then step in to "solve" the issue and show us the path to "peace".

LTTE were just opportunistic or maybe desperate enough to do the deal with the devil in hopes of getting their homeland. In the end they lost everything. Their culture, their home, their religion and their future.

 

[Maravan]

There are videos of him abusing Goddess Saraswati and Lord. Murugan.

He can leave Hinduism, that does not give him the right to abuse it. He can leave his house, that does not give him right to abuse his parents.

His religion matters because no one will care if he abuses his own religion, he has no right to abuse others religion.

He is abusive because he is a bigot and a hater.

YSR never openly professed his religion, most people did not even know he was a christian till his BIL started preaching and conversion spree. He in fact took pains to showcase his Hindu roots and heritage. Moreover YSR was a "Reddy" and THAT was his primary identity.


If all this was not enough, Seeman's heroes are Hitler and Saddam Hussein.

The only divide and attempting to rule seems to be by Simon.



The Church just fished in troubled waters like they always did from time immemorial.

The church of Norway just took advantage of their desperate situation to "win followers and influence people".by exploiting their hardship. This methods are as old as the church itself and have been used from Americans to Africa to Asia.

Same thing happened in India, in Nagaland, Tamil Nadu, Arunachal Pradesh etc. They step in, exploit, convert, stir up trouble, and then step in to "solve" the issue and show us the path to "peace".

LTTE were just opportunistic or maybe desperate enough to do the deal with the devil in hopes of getting their homeland. In the end they lost everything. Their culture, their home, their religion and their future.

When periyar abused everyone no one opened their mouth about his religion, why seeman is an exception from that? He didn't told anything worser than karuna has told all these years, religious politics literally have ZERO impact in TN. Between when seeman openly professed his religion? It's only religious lunatics crying about his caste and religion.

Periyar answered why he criticize hinduism more than other religions. No other religions claimed as sin, while touching a dalit other than hindu bigots, thats why I criticize them more.

Even Seeman told why he criticize hinduism more.. Asked christians and muslims in a meeting if anyone have never read their bible or quran, but no christian or a muslim said they didn't read their holy book. And he asked hindus here to raise hands, who have read gita and vedas, no hindu raised their hand. This why I criticize hinduism more because their vedas and gita isn't told to be for everyone.

He explained the pic for hitler, videos available online. He not only backed saddam, even he supported talibans on demolishing the bamian buddhas. Talibans asked a million from the 100million allocated by unesco to replenish the statue for their poor kids suffer malnutrition , but UNESCO didn't give them a single penny, so the talibans demolished buddha. What's wrong?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

What is the main difference between Tamil and Dravidian etc such and such

Also , How are south indians different from Srilankans

 

[Maravan]

What is the main difference between Tamil and Dravidian etc such and such

Also , How are south indians different from Srilankans

Dravidianism denotes tamils, malayalis, kannadigas, and telugus. Tamil nationalism is about only tamils.

 

[ShankaraBharanam]

When periyar abused everyone no one opened their mouth about his religion, why seeman is an exception from that? He didn't told anything worser than karuna has told all these years, religious politics literally have ZERO impact in TN. Between when seeman openly professed his religion? It's only religious lunatics crying about his caste and religion.

Periyar answered why he criticize hinduism more than other religions. No other religions claimed as sin, while touching a dalit other than hindu bigots, thats why I criticize them more.

Even Seeman told why he criticize hinduism more.. Asked christians and muslims in a meeting if have never read their bible or quran, but no christian or a muslim said they didn't read their holy book. And he asked hindus here to raise hands, who have read gita and vedas, no hindu raised their hand. This why I criticize hinduism more because their vedas and gita isn't told to be for everyone.

He explained the pic for hitler, videos available online. He not only backed saddam, even he supported talibans on demolishing the bamian buddhas. Talibans asked a million from the 100million allocated by unesco to replenish the statue for their poor kids suffer malnutrition , but UNESCO didn't give them a single penny, so the talibans demolished buddha. What's wrong?

Periyar got away with it for couple of reasons,

1. India was under british control and the british had already laid the foundation of "aryan dravidian" theory.
2. Most educated govt. officials where Brahmis and after british left the brahmins had no one to fend for them.(thier population was 1-2 %)
3. Hindus had low self esteem back then.

Pariyar will not get away with his stunt if he was to pull it in today's Tamil Nadu, the same way Mao will not get away with his idea's in todays China.

Gita is for everyone, only the infrastructure to educate Hindus on Hinduism has been destroyed by the muslims and the Christians during the invasion of India. However the infrastructure for teaching religion to muslims and christians continues to exist and flourish in India. That is why most Hindus are ignorant of Hindism while most christians and muslims are not.

Finally if you are going to justify taliban hooliganism and disregard for their own history then there is no point in talking further. The world has no responsibility to feed the taliban or their kids.

What is the main difference between Tamil and Dravidian etc such and such

Also , How are south indians different from Srilankans

Dravidian is a geographical identity like Baloch or Punjabi. Tamil is a linguistic identity like Pashto.

 

[Maravan]

Periyar got away with it for couple of reasons,

1. India was under british control and the british had already laid the foundation of "aryan dravidian" theory.
2. Most educated govt. officials where Brahmis and after british left the brahmins had no one to fend for them.(thier population was 1-2 %)
3. Hindus had low self esteem back then.

Pariyar will not get away with his stunt if he was to pull it in today's Tamil Nadu, the same way Mao will not get away with his idea's in todays China.

Gita is for everyone, only the infrastructure to educate Hindus on Hinduism has been destroyed by the muslims and the Christians during the invasion of India. However the infrastructure for teaching religion to muslims and christians continues to exist and flourish in India. That is why most Hindus are ignorant of Hindism while most christians and muslims are not.

Finally if you are going to justify taliban hooliganism and disregard for their own history then there is no point in talking further. The world has no responsibility to feed the taliban or their kids.



Dravidian is a geographical identity like Baloch or Punjabi. Tamil is a linguistic identity like Pashto.

No one hated brahmins in tamil nadu earlier, anti-brahminism started only after introducing hereditary educational policy by rajaji government opposing leaders like kamaraj and others, which forced even students to learn their fathers job. Brahmins backed this policy and showed their caste creed, after that only everyone slammed brahmins.. What brahmins got in tamil nadu is just the returns for what they invested, nothing to do with any tamil leader.

If it's not the worlds duty to feed their children, who is that world to replenish their buddha?

 

[ShankaraBharanam]

No one hated brahmins in tamil nadu earlier, anti-brahminism started only after introducing hereditary educational policy by rajaji government opposing leaders like kamaraj and others, which forced even students to learn their fathers job. Brahmins backed this policy and showed their caste creed, after that only everyone slammed brahmins.. What brahmins got in tamil nadu is just the returns for what they invested, nothing to do with any tamil leader.

If it's not the worlds duty to feed their children, who is that world to replenish their buddha?

If Hereditary education policy was continued there would have be a far better infrastructure in India to teach Hindusim to Hindus.

The education policy was The scheme involved introduction of two shifts or sessions in elementary schools. In one session regular teaching would be done and during the second session, the students would be sent home to learn the occupations of their parents.

Instead of scrapping it, it would have been better if the children had a choice of second shift.

If brahmins chose to send their kids back home and the lower caste continued to study in school then they would have been better educated than the brahmins. Eventually the brahmin kids themselves would have opted to continue to study in regular school than shift between school and second shift.

Alternative was to introduce religious education in school but that too was not allowed for the sake of "secularism". While muslims continued to have Madrassas and christians continued to have school attached to churches and reservation for christian students.

End of the day it was the Hindus who lost out on learning their roots, making them susceptible to disruptive forces like the church or Dravidian politics or Brahmin baiting and demagogy.


To end it, those statutes survived in Afghanistan for more than 2000 years without any replenishment. They just could not survive the taliban.

 

[Maravan]

If Hereditary education policy was continued there would have be a far better infrastructure in India to teach Hindusim to Hindus.

The education policy was The scheme involved introduction of two shifts or sessions in elementary schools. In one session regular teaching would be done and during the second session, the students would be sent home to learn the occupations of their parents.

Instead of scrapping it, it would have been better if the children had a choice of second shift.

If brahmins chose to send their kids back home and the lower caste continued to study in school then they would have been better educated than the brahmins. Eventually the brahmin kids themselves would have opted to continue to study in regular school than shift between school and second shift.

Alternative was to introduce religious education in school but that too was not allowed for the sake of "secularism". While muslims continued to have Madrassas and christians continued to have school attached to churches and reservation for christian students.

End of the day it was the Hindus who lost out on learning their roots, making them susceptible to disruptive forces like the church or Dravidian politics or Brahmin baiting and demagogy.


To end it, those statutes survived in Afghanistan for more than 2000 years without any replenishment. They just could not survive the taliban.

In the world where everyone preaches equality, you are backing hereditary educational policy, i am done with you. A dalit children has to do their fathers duty and they should remain suppressed, not a suprise students of golwalkar wants hereditary educational policy. Tamil nadu considered its most important to route out caste discrimination than saving hinduism by feeding caste creed inside young minds.

 

[ShankaraBharanam]

In the world where everyone preaches equality, you are backing hereditary educational policy, i am done with you. A dalit children has to do their fathers duty and they should remain suppressed, not a suprise students of golwalkar wants hereditary educational policy. Tamil nadu considered its most important to route out caste discrimination than saving hinduism by feeding caste creed inside young minds.

That is where CHOICE comes in.

Real equality exist when people have CHOICES. Not when Choices are made for them under the pretext of "equality".

It was the Varna that ended the difference between Jati's and in your eagerness to eliminate "Varna" you have brought back Jati based discrimination.

Tamil Nadu is a cesspool of caste discrimination today, due to the path it choose back then. That is pariyars gift to you. You are only fooling yourself if you think TN choose to route caste discrimination.

Caste discrimination in TN is worse than those in UP or Bihar. In TN people from one caste cannot even use the Toilet of people from other caste. Not to mention using other facilities like halls or wells or temples.

People of different caste in TN are identified by the thread they wear on their wrist. THAT is how bad it is.

Add to that your spiritual, moral, ethical, social and cultural bankruptcy due to dravidian politics, you are fertile ground for the church or for any similar "ism" or "ity" to make their nest.

 

[punit]

When periyar abused everyone no one opened their mouth about his religion, why seeman is an exception from that? He didn't told anything worser than karuna has told all these years, religious politics literally have ZERO impact in TN. Between when seeman openly professed his religion? It's only religious lunatics crying about his caste and religion.

Periyar answered why he criticize hinduism more than other religions. No other religions claimed as sin, while touching a dalit other than hindu bigots, thats why I criticize them more.

Even Seeman told why he criticize hinduism more.. Asked christians and muslims in a meeting if anyone have never read their bible or quran, but no christian or a muslim said they didn't read their holy book. And he asked hindus here to raise hands, who have read gita and vedas, no hindu raised their hand. This why I criticize hinduism more because their vedas and gita isn't told to be for everyone.

He explained the pic for hitler, videos available online. He not only backed saddam, even he supported talibans on demolishing the bamian buddhas. Talibans asked a million from the 100million allocated by unesco to replenish the statue for their poor kids suffer malnutrition , but UNESCO didn't give them a single penny, so the talibans demolished buddha. What's wrong?

ah the poor bleeding heart talibans !

No one hated brahmins in tamil nadu earlier, anti-brahminism started only after introducing hereditary educational policy by rajaji government opposing leaders like kamaraj and others, which forced even students to learn their fathers job. Brahmins backed this policy and showed their caste creed, after that only everyone slammed brahmins.. What brahmins got in tamil nadu is just the returns for what they invested, nothing to do with any tamil leader.

If it's not the worlds duty to feed their children, who is that world to replenish their buddha?

money given to Taliban are to go straight into the waiting mouth of poor children ! makes much sense !

 

[Maravan]

Policies of NTK:

1. Education and healthcare sector will be only under government control and will be made free at any cost for everyone.
2. Trichy will be made administrative capital, to ease the pressure on chennai, since trichy is at the centre of TN, people from any-part can reach the capital with ease for anyworks. New flag will be introduced for the state like karnataka.
3. Cattle farming will be promoted like denmark model, all the govt lands will be made grasslands for the cattles and meat will be exported. All the cross-gene breeds will be banned, A2 grade milk production will be ramped and dairy units will be promoted at the respective places. To encourage people, all the workers will be employed as govt employees irrespective of the position, educated ones will be used to promote the country breed products everywhere as organic items are highly liked.
4. Chemical fertilizers will be banned, as wastes from only country breed cattles have the ability to form soil friendly worms and other organisms, natural fertilizer production will be ramped and that will be used on farm lands.
5. Automobile manufacturing units will be discouraged, since a 2ton car in average takes 80000gallons of water. That will be used effectively to tackle water crisis in chennai and other parts. We can import cars if needed but not our daily food.
6. Ban on un harmful natural liquor produced from palm and coconut trees will be lifted and artificial liquor from factories will be banned. That will boost economic growth on dry remote regions like ramanathapuram which has lots of palm tress.
7. Third language will be introduced in schools with an option to choose from international language.
8. As we waste 2000TMC rain water every year and demand for 400TMC from karnataka, lakes and ponds capacities will be improved to tackle water crisis effectively.

Much better than the others manifesto indeed.