Syrian war strategy, what to do about the "baboons" among rebels?

[Mitro]

I guess he learn it from Israhell how they bomb and kill civilian in Lebanon and Palestine.

The reason for extremist rise is that rebels are getting very little or no aid from outside. On the other hand Assad gets massive aid from Iran and Russia in addition to enormous quantity of weapons he had in the beginning.

I can also tell that rebel crimes are overestimated by press. From what I seen Assad's forces are much more brutal when in comes to dealing with prisoners. And not talking about daily indiscriminate bombardments of civilian neighborhoods and even gassing little kids.

 

[Mitro]

FSA don't have means and ideology to bring young men from TUNISIA,LIBYA,Egypt,Europian and CHechen to fight in syria its al ciada who is responsible for these arrangement and with weapons .

Before Iraq war there was no sign of Al Ciada in Iraq now every day bomb blast killing thousand of people .
Inshallah allah muslim are realizing about the danger of these Fitna call Wahabi,salafi,takfiri,deobandi and going to find each of them in near future and destroy them along with their master you know what i mean

 

[kalu_miah]

FSA don't have means and ideology to bring young men from TUNISIA,LIBYA,Egypt,Europian and CHechen to fight in syria its al ciada who is responsible for these arrangement and with weapons .

Before Iraq war there was no sign of Al Ciada in Iraq now every day bomb blast killing thousand of people .
Inshallah allah muslim are realizing about the danger of these Fitna call Wahabi,salafi,takfiri,deobandi and going to find each of them in near future and destroy them along with their master you know what i mean

Yes and all of us should just accept the supremacy of Qom. We know who started all this, so spare us your BS.

 

[kalu_miah]

I am not blaming USA for everything. I agree Assad bears responsibility up to a great extent. All I am asking is that why arm rebellions started only in some countries as a part of Arab Spring? and that they happened to be anti-American countries (Libya and Syria). We never heard of mass protests in Tripoli or Damascus but suddenly we heard of a civil war. Events unfolded very quickly in those two countries. Also look at what happened to Libya, Gaddafi is gone and now it's ruled by warlords.

I am not saying Assad is a saint but I think he's the best option for Syria at least for the time being. If Assad is toppled then I am very certain that Syria would definitely turn into another Afghanistan. It would start from a large scale civil war and the power will eventually shift to the most extremist group. Don't you think more innocent lives would be lost in this scenario than what Assad has been doing to people?

When I said big powers, I was referring not only to Saudi Arabia but Israel, Qatar, Turkey, USA etc.

If Assad stays he will kill all able bodied Sunni's and only option they will have is to escape to neighboring states like they are doing now. No my friend you are completely clueless. Only solution is Assad going down or leaving, there is no other option. And its pointless to talk about what could have happened, lets deal with hear and now only please.

And Syria is not Afghanistan, there is a big difference between the socio-economic condition of the people, the neighborhood and region they are in and resource available for reconstruction. You are wrong on this assumption as well. It may not turn into a perfect democracy right away, but eventually there is good potential that it will.

 

[kalu_miah]

Not true, there has been 2 clashes over the last few months, while a major conflict between both parties concerned took place yesterday. The rebels were trying to gain control over the Northern country of Aleppo.

Qatar was running the show till 3 months ago; There were many drastic mistake the Qatari's took from their end to the FSA.

Don't worry about media coverage; we've got on the balls in Arabic, English, and Farsi

Well, the Syrian conflict is ours not theirs, but I see what you mean.

Looks like Qatar messed up in quite a few places. Glad to know they are out of the picture and let us keep our fingers crossed to see more positive turn of events, Insha-Allah.

What do you think about the suggestions I and a few others have proposed:

1. FSA not accepting help from extremists by @peacefan, I think this is too risky, as the extremists are a big reality, so I support using them, but training them with rules of engagement, what to do and what to avoid, on condition that they agree to fight for a future inclusive democracy which is real and positive, but not some backward Islamic state like Taliban in Afghanistan. If they insist on Islamic state, they should not receive help, arms or funds, and should be left on their own. We should let them choose their own fate. The Syrian people revolted against Assad for a democratic future, not a backward Taliban state.

2. Bring all rebel groups under FSA command and control for better coordination.

3. Those who come under FSA command, receive training, become disciplined and successfully follow rules of engagement in war, per Geneva convention (no heart eating, no killing of POW or minorities etc.), they should be rewarded with a promise for a future service in Police, Border guard or Armed forces.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Who is winning the war so far?

There has been no fixed level of a balance at least over the last 4 months.

 

[Mitro]

By starting these thread you first started the BS ohh i c you are one of them

Yes and all of us should just accept the supremacy of Qom. We know who started all this, so spare us your BS.

 

[Mitro]

After almost 3 years this conflict going on in syria but amazingly Assad still in power without majority sunni support

The Low mental people from outside Syria Still think that majority of sunni support FSA but its only one Sect of so call Sunni "WAHABI" is supporting FSA and Al CIADA and their Master are also same SECT call wahabi and zionist muslim like Saudi,Gutter[qatar],turkey main sponcer of FSA and Alciada.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Looks like Qatar messed up in quite a few places. Glad to know they are out of the picture and let us keep our fingers crossed to see more positive turn of events, Insha-Allah.

As a Saudi Arabian, We tend to have a different view point regarding Qatar's FP. We don't agree with everything they do, but we often come into an agreement with them, they aren't hostile to us much as the media tries to portray Qatar, but they don't have that much of an experience when it comes to the dynamics and parameters of Qatar's foreign policy. Qatar had its own Arab Spring twice, let's hope things won't get cozy once more.

1. FSA not accepting help from extremists by @peacefan, I think this is too risky, as the extremists are a big reality, so I support using them, but training them with rules of engagement, what to do and what to avoid, on condition that they agree to fight for a future inclusive democracy which is real and positive, but not some backward Islamic state like Taliban in Afghanistan. If they insist on Islamic state, they should not receive help, arms or funds, and should be left on their own. We should let them choose their own fate. The Syrian people revolted against Assad for a democratic future, not a backward Taliban state.

The FSA can't pick and choose as for now, sometimes they must cooperate together to confront the Assad's regime + Hezbollah + the Shia militias. For now, I'm seeing that Al-Nusrah is longing for more and more confrontation with Hebollah's militias, and the pro-Assad Shia militias.

How can KSA uses them when we already know that enhancing their firepower capabilities will result into creating a havoc in the newly born post-Assad Free Syria? We have dealt with this kind of mentalities in the past! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Another thing is that KSA doesn't preach democracy; we openly admitted that we aren't a democratic country, and the actions we implement in Syria were sole and squarely based on the fact that Assad's brutal use of force, torture, and mass killings.

I do deeply respect your opinion though, but things won't go the same way you might think, not at all.

2. Bring all rebel groups under FSA command and control for better coordination.

3. Those who come under FSA command, receive training, become disciplined and successfully follow rules of engagement in war, per Geneva convention (no heart eating, no killing of POW or minorities etc.), they should be rewarded with a promise for a future service in Police, Border guard or Armed forces.

There is no such thing as rebel groups, all rebels report to the central command while Al-Nusrah works on its own. Say for example that if an individual rebel belonging to the FSA committed an act against the Geneva convention, he will be hold accountable for everything he did.

Looks like Qatar messed up in quite a few places. Glad to know they are out of the picture and let us keep our fingers crossed to see more positive turn of events, Insha-Allah.

What do you think about the suggestions I and a few others have proposed:

1. FSA not accepting help from extremists by @peacefan, I think this is too risky, as the extremists are a big reality, so I support using them, but training them with rules of engagement, what to do and what to avoid, on condition that they agree to fight for a future inclusive democracy which is real and positive, but not some backward Islamic state like Taliban in Afghanistan. If they insist on Islamic state, they should not receive help, arms or funds, and should be left on their own. We should let them choose their own fate. The Syrian people revolted against Assad for a democratic future, not a backward Taliban state.

2. Bring all rebel groups under FSA command and control for better coordination.

3. Those who come under FSA command, receive training, become disciplined and successfully follow rules of engagement in war, per Geneva convention (no heart eating, no killing of POW or minorities etc.), they should be rewarded with a promise for a future service in Police, Border guard or Armed forces.

 

[Hyperion]

What's cookin homey....
@Yzd Khalifa

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

What's cookin homey....
@Yzd Khalifa

It's the storm It will root out the roots of all evil, only the good guys will survive

 

[Jihad_]

Those extremist thugs are not even Muslim.

Says the takfiri extremist wahabi.

 

[kalu_miah]

As a Saudi Arabian, We tend to have a different view point regarding Qatar's FP. We don't agree with everything they do, but we often come into an agreement with them, they aren't hostile to us much as the media tries to portray Qatar, but they don't have that much of an experience when it comes to the dynamics and parameters of Qatar's foreign policy. Qatar had its own Arab Spring twice, let's hope things won't get cozy once more.

The FSA can't pick and choose as for now, sometimes they must cooperate together to confront the Assad's regime + Hezbollah + the Shia militias. For now, I'm seeing that Al-Nusrah is longing for more and more confrontation with Hebollah's militias, and the pro-Assad Shia militias.

How can KSA uses them when we already know that enhancing their firepower capabilities will result into creating a havoc in the newly born post-Assad Free Syria? We have dealt with this kind of mentalities in the past! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Another thing is that KSA doesn't preach democracy; we openly admitted that we aren't a democratic country, and the actions we implement in Syria were sole and squarely based on the fact that Assad's brutal use of force, torture, and mass killings.

I do deeply respect your opinion though, but things won't go the same way you might think, not at all.

There is no such thing as rebel groups, all rebels report to the central command while Al-Nusrah works on its own. Say for example that if an individual rebel belonging to the FSA committed an act against the Geneva convention, he will be hold accountable for everything he did.

Yes, Qatar obviously screwed up big time:
How Saudi Arabia and Qatar are the Tortoise and the Hare of the Middle East - Jonathan Schanzer and David Andrew Weinberg - The Atlantic

Agreed, FSA cannot fight with Al Nusrah and ISIL right now, this has to wait till Assad is out. Its good to know that Gulf states are not helping Al Nusrah and ISIL and other similar groups, but who is giving them money and arms? Fars news and some Turkish news sources alleged that Turkey helped them:
Al-Nusra Front - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to former deputy Prime Minister Abdüllatif Şener, Turkey has supported al-Nusra with "a large volume of heavy weapons."[71][72][73][74][75]

And you are right all Sunni Muslims in the world have suffered from the idiocy of the likes of OBL and Zawahiri, these types should not be tolerated by anyone, except when they want to become cannon fodders, like in this Syria situation.

Bro, about the "Democracy" issue, I know Gulf states cannot preach what they do not practice, so I am perfectly fine with it, in fact, I think great things can come of the Gulf monarchies, for themselves and for the Muslim world, if they follow the right ideas. Monarchies often are more efficient than "democracy", in getting things done.

What I mentioned about Syria, FSA and democracy, is because I had the impression that this is what the protesters wanted from the start and this is also the official policy of SNC:
Syrian National Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The SNC National Charter lists human rights, judicial independence, press freedom, democracy and political pluralism as its guiding principles.

About the rebel/opposition, I think there are 2 main groups:

1. groups associated with FSA (80,000)
Free Syrian Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2. Al Nusra (7,000), ISIL (Islamic state of Iraq and Levant,2,500-10,000) and other similar allied groups who are extremists and have ties with AQ
Al-Nusra Front - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Allegations about war crimes by all of the above is well documented in these wiki articles, some obviously have bad sources like PressTV, RT, Fars news etc. Lately FSA has taken steps to make sure that the fighters follow Geneva convention.

Saudi help in recent months was mentioned in the articles below about Gulf states and Syrian opposition's disappointment about US-Russia deal to remove Chemical weapons. It is becoming clear that the opposition should no longer depend on much help from the US. It is time to devise a winning strategy on their own:
Insight: Angered by chemical deal, Syrian rebels may lose the West | Reuters
US-Russia Syria Deal Affects Saudi Regional Strategy - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/w...a-is-stepping-up-weapons-deliveries.html?_r=0

That strategy is what we should discuss in this thread. So far, we know:
- KSA has increased arms shipments, specially Konkurs anti-tank, which is helping, but FSA is still complaining that its not enough, and they are not getting any anti-aircraft yet
- FSA is training fighters about Geneva convention, so hopefully the PR nightmares will reduce and people can have confidence that FSA are not tied with AQ like AN and ISIL

What else can be done?

 

[kalu_miah]

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