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Dude, the thing is that wherever anyone looks they find that. Salafists and there is a reason for that: the CIA trained them on this stuff.

Bhai they are not Salafi I told several time in different threads ... They have Deobandi ideology .........
 
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You know personal attacks are the first signs of losing an argument ? I am sure you have already done so from the start here
I'm not having an argument with you.
its not that im attacking you im just giving a taste of your own medicine, the same way you talk to conservative folks, for every little thing you start calling them mullahs and supporters of terrorism.
Define the word " secular " for me and then tell me , how did you come to the conlcusion that I am a secular person first of all . Leave the rest for now .
a secular person is a person who wants separate of church and state, for example the "islamic republic of pakistan will become the republic of pakistan"
secularists would also want the government to stop giving special treatment to muslims like subsidizing or making food costs cheaper during ramadan. they would want to take out everything that islam has to do with pakistan and make it another india jr. they would also want pakistan to not help muslims in other countries just because they are muslims.
i came to conclusion that your secular because of past posts of your i read.
Second , the moderates/seculars aren't going to kill you because of mere difference of opinion/views/belief , this we all leave to the extremists
Nobody said the moderators are going to kill for expressing your opinion.
what i said is that you fascist nut jobs are attacking people with personal insults for simply expressing their Opinion on Malala.
what is wrong with expressing your opinion on something weather @Secur thinks its right or not?


Third , the word " insignificant " is insignificant itself here , since the confused Pakistani nation doesn't even know its friends and enemies properly .
what does you secularists fascists being insignificant have to do anything with enemies of pakistan? are you trying to say that they are the enemies of pakistan?
i don't pakistanis are confused on who the enemies are! you might confused perhaps.
if we do a poll right now i will guarantee you that over 76 percent of people will agree on the same group of people(indians, israelis, darris, ttp).


Forget about people caring about anything , they are more concerned ensuring their survival in this country
obviously because of the same people liberals Fascists like you normalize relations with.

you on the other hand can write this thing whilst living in the comfort and security of the country , you so hate and detest .
lol i feel the jealousy now lol.
don't use the fact that im in the great ole usa against me now lol.
i love America with all my heart. there is a reason I'm in this country. i learned alot while being here that liberals are all talk but no walk, america became what it is becuase of heard working conservative people. the left has always been trying to destroy american values and ways of life just like they trying to in pakistan and many other countries.We seen what the left is capable of when given power, they slaughter millions like animals.

Yes , we are open minded since we listen to everyone's views and do not make personal attacks because of differing point of views , as you have in the start . As for the Indians and Americans , my country takes precedence over anyone and any country , let me make this abundantly clear

there was a reason i put "open minded" in quotes. you people are anything but open minded!!
you people try enforce your opinions and ways on everybody and then you start blaming the extremists for doing the same!!!!!
please don't get me started on this lol.


well you might love your country that much, i don't know though I'm not a mind reader, i'm just coming to conclusions from what i read from you.
you think when people start coming up with all these ideas that india is sponsoring terrorism in pakistan and that the west might try to brainwash malala aren't thinking about their country? they are in their mind trying to expose the threats against their country which is great i think and we need people like this in our country.Even in america " conspiracy theorists" are the ones who care about america and its values and the vast majority of the stuff they say is true, but the media and people like your self try to portray them as lunatics with even debunking a single thing they say its just fascinating watching people like you lol.

Yes , well everything is a conspiracy for some people .

yeah for some people. but so what? whats wrong with it? have ever debunked everything they said?

Paranoia is a normal state of mind . Everything endorsed or supported or any and all things West are wrong and must be stopped . I know the prevailing mindsets in my country .

please just stop with the bs
we all know the concerns of pakistanis people,And we know that our people aren't like that, they are concerned about foreign elements sponsoring terrorism in their country and that is unfortunately not just a conspiracy theory but a fact.


Does the West have a shortage of political and military leaders in Pakistan ready to do their bidding to waste time on a little girl shot brutally by " so called Muslims " ?
idk as long as our population remains uneducated there won't be a shortage of corrupt leaders, the issue around malala is that she might become another benazir trying to come and "save" her nation.

Enlighten me about this . Ask your dear Taliban not to kill people in the name of religion and because they criticize and oppose them and the world will not have the chance to brainwash anybody . Claim as much as you like , boy , because talk is cheap and most of your post is again an indication of conspiracy theory/rumor/hearsay believed over " established facts " . Quote me when your friends start to allow the same " freedom of speech/thought/expression "
just stop with your bs once again, you know very well nobody gives a rats *** about the taliban. saying shit like this is what makes you a hypocrite and a pathetic liar.
 
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Actually , your flags are the one which show the United States of America . :D Try not to waste time responding on posts , you do not really understand and make yourself look silly by these childish one liners . The post you quoted explained a very sensitive phenomenon and represented a deep insight and knowledge in these matters and instead of responding positively , you are again back to being " personal " . Interesting .

seemed like a whole lot of bullsh it to me.
 
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@Slav Defence

The West didn't put a bullet in her head - the bearded terrorists did citing the same holy book and their irrational and barbaric and rigid interpretation of it . The Pakistan's ill advised and nothing short of a blunder participation in the Afghan so called Jihad - where the Muslims fought between themselves for power and domination after the Soviet withdrawal and the Musharraf's decision to save Pakistan have nothing to do with a little girl - which the extremists tried to silence just because she criticized them and they weren't comfortable with her beliefs . Do you see the insecurity of this lot ?

Indeed,insecurity is the actual root cause of their paranoia,while their psychological paranoia is resulted due to frustration which later on transformed into hatered and aggression.
Let me explain how?
Since such mindsets are suffering of insecurity as a result of which they are in a confused state of mind,thus unable to recognize a clear difference between friend and foe.
This confusion has triggered frustration when they saw a 16 year old girl in a clear state of mind and is recognizing a clear difference between an enemy and a friend.
Later on,their frustration was transformed into aggression when she recognized and pointed out those hidden demons who are appearing as their friends,thus increasing their confusion and insecurity due to failure of recognition of difference.
Finally, this aggression is transformed into paranoia when her truth echoed throughout the world.
Secur,after 1965 warfare till now,almost 75% of our subject is suffering of such paranoia.The reason of their suffering is that they are not realizing that our authorities have made huge mistakes.In order to satisfy themselves,they are relying on fantastically assumed conspiracy theories.
Mark my words mate,these hidden bearded demons will lead us towards annihilation,as they have twisted the version and interpretion of quran and teaching of Allah.
 
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Indeed,insecurity is the actual root cause of their paranoia,while their psychological paranoia is resulted due to frustration which later on transformed into hatered and aggression.
Let me explain how?
Since such mindsets are suffering of insecurity as a result of which they are in a confused state of mind,thus unable to recognize a clear difference between friend and foe.
This confusion has triggered frustration when they saw a 16 year old girl in a clear state of mind and is recognizing a clear difference between an enemy and a friend.
Later on,their frustration was transformed into aggression when she recognized and pointed out those hidden demons who are appearing as their friends,thus increasing their confusion and insecurity due to failure of recognition of difference.
Finally, this aggression is transformed into paranoia when her truth echoed throughout the world.
Secur,after 1965 warfare till now,almost 75% of our subject is suffering of such paranoia.The reason of their suffering is that they are not realizing that our authorities have made huge mistakes.In order to satisfy themselves,they are relying on fantastically assumed conspiracy theories.
Mark my words mate,these hidden bearded demons will lead us towards annihilation,as they have twisted the version and interpretion of quran and teaching of Allah.
interesting. Well let's just sit watch you both sides fight.
 
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Indeed,insecurity is the actual root cause of their paranoia,while their psychological paranoia is resulted due to frustration which later on transformed into hatered and aggression.
Let me explain how?
Since such mindsets are suffering of insecurity as a result of which they are in a confused state of mind,thus unable to recognize a clear difference between friend and foe.
This confusion has triggered frustration when they saw a 16 year old girl in a clear state of mind and is recognizing a clear difference between an enemy and a friend.
Later on,their frustration was transformed into aggression when she recognized and pointed out those hidden demons who are appearing as their friends,thus increasing their confusion and insecurity due to failure of recognition of difference.
Finally, this aggression is transformed into paranoia when her truth echoed throughout the world.
Secur,after 1965 warfare till now,almost 75% of our subject is suffering of such paranoia.The reason of their suffering is that they are not realizing that our authorities have made huge mistakes.In order to satisfy themselves,they are relying on fantastically assumed conspiracy theories.
Mark my words mate,these hidden bearded demons will lead us towards annihilation,as they have twisted the version and interpretion of quran and teaching of Allah.

I don't think its this bad. I think you are going too far with this. I'm neutral in this as far as I'm concerned and to me it seems like that your kind of people only talk the talk but don't walk the walk. Like even living in america I see that liberals are theb most incompetent out of all the Americans. Like you csn hear what ever you want from them but no action what do ever. It's the same thing with people like you and @Secur . Like most people in Pakistan like Malala. Vast majority like her. But people like you come with facts out if their *** on how 75 percent pakis identify her as a enemy , which is complete bs.


bottom line is that as much as you people talk you still can't seem to disprove any claims the other side makes.


So if what secur was saying is true about how people resort to personal attacks when losing an arguements then I think you guys are the biggest losers according the logic of your own liberal friends.
 
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I don't think its this bad. I think you are going too far with this. I'm neutral in this as far as I'm concerned and to me it seems like that your kind of people only talk the talk but don't walk the walk. Like even living in america I see that liberals are theb most incompetent out of all the Americans. Like you csn hear what ever you want from them but no action what do ever. It's the same thing with people like you and @Secur . Like most people in Pakistan like Malala. Vast majority like her. But people like you come with facts out if their *** on how 75 percent pakis identify her as a enemy , which is complete bs.


bottom line is that as much as you people talk you still can't seem to disprove any claims the other side makes.


So if what secur was saying is true about how people resort to personal attacks when losing an arguements then I think you guys are the biggest losers according the logic of your own liberal friends.
I don't think its this bad. I think you are going too far with this. I'm neutral in this as far as I'm concerned and to me it seems like that your kind of people only talk the talk but don't walk the walk. Like even living in america I see that liberals are theb most incompetent out of all the Americans. Like you csn hear what ever you want from them but no action what do ever. It's the same thing with people like you and @Secur . Like most people in Pakistan like Malala. Vast majority like her. But people like you come with facts out if their *** on how 75 percent pakis identify her as a enemy , which is complete bs.


bottom line is that as much as you people talk you still can't seem to disprove any claims the other side makes.


So if what secur was saying is true about how people resort to personal attacks when losing an arguements then I think you guys are the biggest losers according the logic of your own liberal friends.
First of all,I didn't responded to you but secur,second I wasn't talking about you but general but asusual you guys are habitual to rely on assumptions so one can't do anything.So, if you took it personally,then it is not my problem.
Where were you when Mr.Zarvan was calling us 'kaafir'?you all were silent,but when we began to respond,you showed up.Height of biases.
On topic,that is why I am calling it a state of paranoia as 75% Pakistani identify her as their as their enemies,but no one is considering the actual root factor due to which this 16 year old girl has become controversial.
Mr.Qamar,let me tell you that I am neutral in this regard.
But I am totally against this paranoia that it is all Amreeka's fault.
My friends are seeing only Americans or west using her as tool,but not that bearded demons who are blowing up schools,our lapses and failure to recognize huge mistakes which have made in past as well.
I also told Mr.Zarvan that Malala is not my focus,but those factors which has give birth to her.
Mr.Orya Maqbool Jan is also claiming that 'malala grow in the wings of west' or 'she is Eastern daughter in western shadows'
but I ask you that she wouldn't have grown there if Pakistani civil regime has accepted to give her full security.
Talking about 75% Pakistani,let me tell you that these same Pakistani were distributing sweet marts and dancing when Mr.Musharraf was resigning stating that 'PA and ISI are our backbone'
I ask you where were those 75% Pakistani when we lost almost more then 8 billion investment due to mismanagement and poor governance of PPP?where were those 75% Pakistani when they elected PML-N's Corrupted regime for third time?
Indeed Plato has well defined and explained in his theories of ineligiblility of subject to recognize things and stating tyranny to be de-generated form democratic infrastructure.
Blaming a 16 year old girl for everything is ultimate foolishness in my point of view.why aren't they stating that their beloved political parties has failed to manage education system and security??why not blaming PML-N regime or judiciary for not taking any notice and checking the truth behind such claims as Malala being used by west.
Now they very same subject will remained silent as they will consist of same PPP/PML-N VOTERS.
 
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@qamar1990

Really ? If you do not even know what you have been engaging in the whole time and persist to do so continuously even now without knowing it consciously yourself , that isn't my fault and not something that I would assert/explain to you . :D Its not like you are " giving me a taste of my own medicine " since you have not been able to counter anything I said in this thread , with logic and facts . You are merely acting like a little child trying to vent your anger and frustration by rants/sarcasm and blurting out anything that comes in your mind against " liberals " . I must remind you that the topic isn't about them and well attacking the messenger has hardly been of any use ever . Nah , I do not talk the same way as you are doing , not to conservative folks and not even to people who openly sympathize and support terrorists here . You would never see me go indecent , if it had been that , surely I would have been stripped of title and awarded one or two infractions until now . If someone here says that " Taliban cause is right and justified " , what do you expect me to say except that they support terrorism indirectly ? I do not start getting " personal " . Go find me a post of mine from the forum where you can prove me " secular " according to the same definition you just posted in your post . I , like other counties want my country to give precedence to the " national interests " above everything ELSE . Because I know why we are in such pathetic condition today because of fictional " ummah " which backstabs us always and no , its not the criteria for secularism . But the extremists just like they do are surely going to kill/harass you for expressing your opinion which doesn't match with theirs , just like they did with Miss Malala Yousufzai amongst thousands others across Pakistan , that was my point . You didn't understand it , at all . Maybe , you dont know how debates/discussion continue on the forum , had you known , I wouldn't have been seeing the " fascist nutjobs " are attacking people because of their point of view , the people are simply arguing otherwise and @Secur doesn't think that everyone should stick to his opinion , that I leave to Mullah and their blind followers with sheep in the herd mentality .

As for " confused as a nation " thing , that is beyond the scope of this thread and a lengthy topic to talk on . The simple point is that today many Pakistanis do support and sympathize with the enemy that has killed 64,000 of its own . They do not understand that its the same Mullah and the Madarsa students providing the man power for terrorism in the country even if the handles are foreign , the same ideology that we brought during Afghan Jihad is backfiring on us . An entire province is ready to live under Taliban's rule if it can acquire peace through that and well since it has been living close to that way , even before it . When was the last time you visited your native country to not know such a commonly known thing ? I dont see the liberals blowing up anywhere , killing people , maiming / harassing them , restricting others or enforcing their ways of life on others . So , how the heck is it our fault ? @Slav Defence @forcetrip @jaibi

You love America with all your heart :D . I love my own country , that much , boy . My point that the people living in this country understand the realities on ground better than a person commenting from thousands of miles away . Jealousy would be the last thing on my mind here seeing the apparent hypocrisy of " detesting the same country that you live , earn and enjoy in " . Most of the troubles we see today are due to the " Jihad " we fought with the assistance of your current country in the 80's . The foreign elements alleged to help TTP includes your country too . U.S. Army has been known to show leniency and thus allow attacks on Pakistan from across the Durand Line .

" The burden of proof lies on the claimant " and in this case the " conspiracy theorists " and since they dont present any proof in support of what they are saying about Malala or anything else . I do not need to debunk it , in any way . You should have known better living in America about the same " burden of proof " concept . Since the rest of your post is nothing but allegations and a certain obsession " BS " on every other thing answered . I will not comment on that . You might however want to know something about the support for " Taliban in general Pakistani populace " . You seem to be ignorant about that .
 
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seemed like a whole lot of bullsh it to me.

Yeah , because you weren't able to understand it . I would see you say the same thing then , if I were to hand you over DSM-IV book :D
 
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@qamar1990

Really ? If you do not even know what you have been engaging in the whole time and persist to do so continuously even now without knowing it consciously yourself , that isn't my fault and not something that I would assert/explain to you . :D Its not like you are " giving me a taste of my own medicine " since you have not been able to counter anything I said in this thread , with logic and facts . You are merely acting like a little child trying to vent your anger and frustration by rants/sarcasm and blurting out anything that comes in your mind against " liberals " . I must remind you that the topic isn't about them and well attacking the messenger has hardly been of any use ever . Nah , I do not talk the same way as you are doing , not to conservative folks and not even to people who openly sympathize and support terrorists here . You would never see me go indecent , if it had been that , surely I would have been stripped of title and awarded one or two infractions until now . If someone here says that " Taliban cause is right and justified " , what do you expect me to say except that they support terrorism indirectly ? I do not start getting " personal " . Go find me a post of mine from the forum where you can prove me " secular " according to the same definition you just posted in your post . I , like other counties want my country to give precedence to the " national interests " above everything ELSE . Because I know why we are in such pathetic condition today because of fictional " ummah " which backstabs us always and no , its not the criteria for secularism . But the extremists just like they do are surely going to kill/harass you for expressing your opinion which doesn't match with theirs , just like they did with Miss Malala Yousufzai amongst thousands others across Pakistan , that was my point . You didn't understand it , at all . Maybe , you dont know how debates/discussion continue on the forum , had you known , I wouldn't have been seeing the " fascist nutjobs " are attacking people because of their point of view , the people are simply arguing otherwise and @Secur doesn't think that everyone should stick to his opinion , that I leave to Mullah and their blind followers with sheep in the herd mentality .

As for " confused as a nation " thing , that is beyond the scope of this thread and a lengthy topic to talk on . The simple point is that today many Pakistanis do support and sympathize with the enemy that has killed 64,000 of its own . They do not understand that its the same Mullah and the Madarsa students providing the man power for terrorism in the country even if the handles are foreign , the same ideology that we brought during Afghan Jihad is backfiring on us . An entire province is ready to live under Taliban's rule if it can acquire peace through that and well since it has been living close to that way , even before it . When was the last time you visited your native country to not know such a commonly known thing ? I dont see the liberals blowing up anywhere , killing people , maiming / harassing them , restricting others or enforcing their ways of life on others . So , how the heck is it our fault ? @Slav Defence @forcetrip @jaibi

You love America with all your heart :D . I love my own country , that much , boy . My point that the people living in this country understand the realities on ground better than a person commenting from thousands of miles away . Jealousy would be the last thing on my mind here seeing the apparent hypocrisy of " detesting the same country that you live , earn and enjoy in " . Most of the troubles we see today are due to the " Jihad " we fought with the assistance of your current country in the 80's . The foreign elements alleged to help TTP includes your country too . .
secur,I don't love Americans.This is the accusation of mulla brigade,as you know,anyone whose analysis contradicts to their assumptions,they immediately issue fatwa on them claiming them as 'kafirs' 'obsessed to Americans' or whatever.
I have said it of about million times that US has multiple objectives to stay here and I have presented my analysis as well,infact I have written a series which consisted of three parts.
And the media of which they are talking about,same media was supporting Malala earlier,and same media is now exploiting her?for what?to get bloody business!
I still remember that 'wukla tehreek' drama due to which lost our investment,that is why I don't give a crap to their assumptions in case of Malala or whatever they are believing.
 
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I admit that in 80' many Pakistanis were supporting to Mujahideens ... Although I don't think jihad to the war against Russian invasion ... That was actually American interests war in South Asia ... But at that time America declared to bearded mullahs 'Mujahideen' so Pakistanis said the same to them ... But now America declared to same bearded mullahs 'Terrorists' so we must say the same to them .......

Anyways Pakistani agencies don't think to Afghan Taliban terrorists ... They are freedom fighters ... These TTP scumbags created by CIA while USA had seen that Pakistan is his coalition partner and supporting secretly to Afghan Taliban too ... So therefore CIA had been given a task to create same Afghan situation in Pakistan ... Then in 2004 TTP had been created & targeted to Pakistanis directly ... While some TTP Sardars got understood their game they had been killed via drones ... Simple is that .............

Anyhow I am posting a article below which will prove that TTP is getting funds through CIA & RAW ... Must read it ............
http://spyeyesnews.blogspot.com/2013/08/tereek-e-taliban-pakistan-ttp-created.html

You do not need to admit , since they are even today doing the same . Let me clear something to you .

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You still cant change the fact that the Mullahs and little kids from the Madarsas and the backward ideology and twisted interpretation of Islam are being used for terrorism/extremism in the country , I disagree with the foreign support here since the TTP has been self reliant financially funding its activities through criminal activities throughout Pakistan and getting enough support from the common populace , mate . @jaibi article is a good read again . There may be some sort of foreign interference which remains to be conclusively proved with TTP - the Baluch rebels of course are getting money from Indians and elsewhere in the Middle East and the state of Pakistan has proof for that .

Have you read the article ? Mate , its hollow and empty . A few tattoos aren't anything to prove beyond a reasonable doubt , we all know the foreigners work with TTP , Uzbeks , Tajiks , Chechen and even the Russians ! We imported these people from all over the world in the 80's to do Jihad which went haywire when the same Mujahideen fought against each other ! Wake up , mate . Its not unusual to see their awkward and out of the normal things , not necessarily means that they are American or Jews or Indians - they aren't the ones blowing up , its our own " Muslims brothers " .
 
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Where were you when Mr.Zarvan was calling us 'kaafir'?you all were silent,but when we began to respond,you showed up.Height of biases.

Actually there are two types of extremist in Pakistan ... (1) Islamic extremist (2) Liberal extremist ... All kind of extremism is not a good thing this thing becomes harmful for the society ... I oppose to @Zarvan several types on his extremism ... For example he often favor to TTP but in my opinion TTP can't be good for us ... Those who don't get bothered to kill innocent people can't be better by any means ... Second type of extremist like liberal extremist is also not good because we have our own cultural values but our second type extremist are much impressed western culture and be ashamed to be a good Muslim like 'The camel desiring to have horns lost even his ears' ... They want that Islam should be modified whereas Islamic rules couldn't be changed ... According to Quran it has been completed .........
 
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You do not need to admit , since they are even today doing the same . Let me clear something to you .

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You still cant change the fact that the Mullahs and little kids from the Madarsas and the backward ideology and twisted interpretation of Islam are being used for terrorism/extremism in the country , I disagree with the foreign support here since the TTP has been self reliant financially funding its activities through criminal activities throughout Pakistan and getting enough support from the common populace , mate . @jaibi article is a good read again . There may be some sort of foreign interference which remains to be conclusively proved with TTP - the Baluch rebels of course are getting money from Indians and elsewhere in the Middle East and the state of Pakistan has proof for that .

Have you read the article ? Mate , its hollow and empty . A few tattoos aren't anything to prove beyond a reasonable doubt , we all know the foreigners work with TTP , Uzbeks , Tajiks , Chechen and even the Russians ! We imported these people from all over the world in the 80's to do Jihad which went haywire when the same Mujahideen fought against each other ! Wake up , mate . Its not unusual to see their awkward and out of the normal things , not necessarily means that they are American or Jews or Indians - they aren't the ones blowing up , its our own " Muslims brothers " .


I believe that any Muslim man can't make devilish tattoos on his body but non-Muslims can ... You know European people can easily mix up among Pashtoons to being bearded ... Example is Adams Elick who is Jew & trained to Malala ... You people are extremist in liberalism so you adopted denial attitude ... Kindly don't forget Raymond Davis type people who work in Pakistan secretly ..........

I would thank to you that you have posted above news regarding Afghan rebels & Ronald Regan this thing proves spurious policy by Americans .........
 
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Actually there are two types of extremist in Pakistan ... (1) Islamic extremist (2) Liberal extremist ... All kind of extremism is not a good thing this thing becomes harmful for the society ... I oppose to @Zarvan several types on his extremism ... For example he often favor to TTP but in my opinion TTP can't be good for us ... Those who don't get bothered to kill innocent people can't be better by any means ... Second type of extremist like liberal extremist is also not good because we have our own cultural values but our second type extremist are much impressed western culture and be ashamed to be a good Muslim like 'The camel desiring to have horns lost even his ears' ... They want that Islam should be modified whereas Islamic rules couldn't be changed ... According to Quran it has been completed .........
Mr.Patriots,I have accepted Islam with my full heart.I assure you that,and let me tell this to you that none of us want to change Islam as Islam cannot be changed but it can bring change.Any Muslim who will deny this fact will deny Allah's constitution.
However,I am totally against Taliban's interpretation of Islam.
Right is right and wrong is wrong,whoever dare to mix right with wrong,following the trait of transgressors to justify their own interpretation will rot inside Hell,I assure you that.
Coming to topic,if you want west for not to produce more Malalas in future as you claim,then I suggest you to resolve lapses and diagnose those hidden moles inside your civil/security sectors.
I assure you then no Malala will ever born and will be used as a tool by west if you will succeed to cure those factors and hostile environment which has gave birth to Malala.
 
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