Syed Talat Hussain Column on Malala Book

[Zarvan]

@Secur malala will never get funds from west for education she will only get funds to spread shit and lies in society and bashing off Islam we should use our own money to built schools teach students science and Quran and hadees togtether up to 12th grade and than those who want speciliaze they can take admission in universities

 

[Patriots]

Maybe , the patriotism of a person should be directed at the enemies of the nation - the religious nut jobs being the main ones at the moment , eager to make Pakistan - another Afghanistan and enthusiastically destroying the country under the name of Islam , instead of indirectly supporting them and not at some girl who has got recognition from the world for standing up to the same extremists involved in terrorism/maiming/harassment of the people of Swat and well Pakistan as a whole too . You do not learn to even remotely criticize the murderers of 64,000 of your countrymen and you have got the nerve to lecture us about that word . Ironic ! . What is your definition of " patriotism " , if I may know ? Interesting thing is that the same " patriotic Pakistanis " haven't read the book themselves but are hell bent on advancing " conspiracy theories " and performing " character assassination " . Unless of course , anyone of you can post excerpt from the book proving what you are saying , it all remains as such . The equation doesn't change because just another journalists has said the same as previous ones . So where is the proof ? Are we supposed to take his word for it ?

What problem do we now have with a certain Christina Lamb writing the book for her ? Are you aware of the whole process itself too ? How many books written by Western writers have you read in school/colleges/universities/elsewhere ? What is with the irrational and insane logic of " Everything West MUST be wrong and evil " ?

I can say that I have read some parts of this book & I have mentioned 1 in another thread ... Second thing those terrorists who are involved in terrorism/maiming/harassment & they are murderer of 64000 thousand Pakistanis ... Would you tell me who supports to those terrorists in Pakistan except some political elements & those terrorists get financial & strategical support from same world who gives recongnition to such girl who stand up against these terrorists ... Isn't the double standard of chaudharies of our world ... Would you refute this thing that those terrorist are not being supported by western elements...?????????

Christina Lamb is the journalist who has been working against Pakistan & she had deported in past ..........

 

[jaibi]

The terrorists supports those terrorists, mate. So do the religious nuts running around Pakistan, there is probable evidence that our religious parties have connections there as well. Musharaf blames the MMA government for picking and choosing elements too. So you know, it's not really anyone but people here. Regarding their finances, there is a delusion about how these things work: they not only can be but are supported by enterprises (drug cartels, kidnapping gangs and so on).

The current casualties of war stand at near about 50,000. There is not double standards in the world about it, the world sees it because we're not going at an all out war against terrorism, we're still in the illusion that there's a good terrorist and a bad terrorist. There is credence to that premise.

The terrorists are not being supported by western elements. India has probable support to the Balochi insurgency, not others.

Pakistan is one of the least safe countries for journalists. Our definition of 'anti-Pakistan' is just too wide. You talk about women being raped here: Anti-Pakistan. You talk about the state of education here: Anti-Pakitan. You talk about the religious freedom here: Anti-Pakistan. You talk about governmental oppression here: Anti-Pakistani.

You need to be clear the people supporting Malala cannot be branded as 'Anti-Pakistanis' or 'Anti-Islam' (Reason: They're the same ones saying kill the mfers who've killed half a MILLION of our brothers) I believe it's a tragedy of our educational system as a whole that these things can be allowed to mix in an argument but oh well.

I can say that I have read some parts of this book & I have mentioned 1 in another thread ... Second thing those terrorists who are involved in terrorism/maiming/harassment & they are murderer of 64000 thousand Pakistanis ... Would you tell me who supports to those terrorists in Pakistan except some political elements & those terrorists get financial & strategical support from same world who gives recongnition to such girl who stand up against these terrorists ... Isn't the double standard of chaudharies of our world ... Would you refute this thing that those terrorist are not being supported by western elements...?????????

Christina Lamb is the journalist who has been working against Pakistan & she had deported in past ..........

 

[Patriots]

The terrorists supports those terrorists, mate. So do the religious nuts running around Pakistan, there is probable evidence that our religious parties have connections there as well. Musharaf blames the MMA government for picking and choosing elements too. So you know, it's not really anyone but people here. Regarding their finances, there is a delusion about how these things work: they not only can be but are supported by enterprises (drug cartels, kidnapping gangs and so on).

The current casualties of war stand at near about 50,000. There is not double standards in the world about it, the world sees it because we're not going at an all out war against terrorism, we're still in the illusion that there's a good terrorist and a bad terrorist. There is credence to that premise.

The terrorists are not being supported by western elements. India has probable support to the Balochi insurgency, not others.

Pakistan is one of the least safe countries for journalists. Our definition of 'anti-Pakistan' is just too wide. You talk about women being raped here: Anti-Pakistan. You talk about the state of education here: Anti-Pakitan. You talk about the religious freedom here: Anti-Pakistan. You talk about governmental oppression here: Anti-Pakistani.

You need to be clear the people supporting Malala cannot be branded as 'Anti-Pakistanis' or 'Anti-Islam' (Reason: They're the same ones saying kill the mfers who've killed half a MILLION of our brothers) I believe it's a tragedy of our educational system as a whole that these things can be allowed to mix in an argument but oh well.

Dude then what would you tell about below pic of terrorist if western elements are not supporting to them:

See more:

What are doing same elements in Pakistan & Iran..???????

 

[jaibi]

I can tell you two things: a) those are cool tats, no matter where they are.

Secondly, a lot of people from the West and post-Soviet bloc have come to join the Terrorists; would you believe, that there are British nationals and Europeans who are now fighting in Syria as a part of the Jihad? Here's another thing to notice: the main branch of the terrorists that's active in Pakistan (we're the kitchen for terrorists, we've all things in the mix, yaye us!) are the Salafists/Wahabists that believe in sectarian clensing: anti-Shia/Hazara movements; this trend has been noted as far back as 2004.

I would like for you to know another thing in Who Becomes a Terrorist and Why , it was seen that many populace which came into the fold were told to have 'Westernised' exteriors, to allow a better blending in. The chief technical terrorist of the 9/11 attack was a Turk with a German girlfriend (non-Muslim). Many senior members of the Al-Qa'ida were deliberately directed to assimilate 'culture' (Al-Qa'ida Handbook, p. 34), that would include having tats, drinking beer, maybe watching Simpson.

That explains the repeated ethnic diversity that's been seen in busted terrorist cells all around the world from Europe to Pakistan check this out: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/11427995_24

Now you're going to reply about a grand conspiracy perhaps, I give you the benefit of the doubt but then produce some evidence from credible sources (academic articles, empirical proofs, and so on please no Zaid Hamid).

Toodles.

PS Iran has been the target of Salfists as well, considering you know they're Shias.

Dude then what would you tell about below pic of terrorist if western elements are not supporting to them:

See more:

What are doing same elements in Pakistan & Iran..???????

 

[Patriots]

I can tell you two things: a) those are cool tats, no matter where they are.

Secondly, a lot of people from the West and post-Soviet bloc have come to join the Terrorists; would you believe, that there are British nationals and Europeans who are now fighting in Syria as a part of the Jihad? Here's another thing to notice: the main branch of the terrorists that's active in Pakistan (we're the kitchen for terrorists, we've all things in the mix, yaye us!) are the Salafists/Wahabists that believe in sectarian clensing: anti-Shia/Hazara movements; this trend has been noted as far back as 2004.

I would like for you to know another thing in Who Becomes a Terrorist and Why , it was seen that many populace which came into the fold were told to have 'Westernised' exteriors, to allow a better blending in. The chief technical terrorist of the 9/11 attack was a Turk with a German girlfriend (non-Muslim). Many senior members of the Al-Qa'ida were deliberately directed to assimilate 'culture' (Al-Qa'ida Handbook, p. 34), that would include having tats, drinking beer, maybe watching Simpson.

That explains the repeated ethnic diversity that's been seen in busted terrorist cells all around the world from Europe to Pakistan check this out: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/11427995_24

Now you're going to reply about a grand conspiracy perhaps, I give you the benefit of the doubt but then produce some evidence from credible sources (academic articles, empirical proofs, and so on please no Zaid Hamid).

Toodles.

PS Iran has been the target of Salfists as well, considering you know they're Shias.

Aah what a logic you have given .............

Anyways Salafist are not terrorist nor they are found involving in terrorist activities in any country ... For you information TTP men has not Salafi believes ...................

 

[qamar1990]

But of course , since the West and specially the Americans are responsible for almost all of Pakistan's problems , the nation can go sleep tight and keep on waiting for the savior and do nothing herself How's that now ?

you secularist nut-jobs are some piece of work i swear to god.
i don't mean burst you people bubble but you people are insignificant in pakistan, no body cares what you people say or think. the whole show you people put up of being "politically correct" and "open minded" is all for the west and indians, your not doing this for your fellow pakistanis we know this.
now back to the Malala issue, most people who i know that think their is a conspiracy with the issue is that the poor girl is going to be used by the west and that she will be exploited and brainwashed. Very few people actually believe that she is in on some bigger conspiracy lol. everybody is concerned that she will be brian washed in the west and sent to pakistan to run for elections and destroy our country like zardari. i have my concerns as well.
so the first utmost thing that your secularists left wing nuts need to do is back off and let any pakistani have any opinion he or she prefers , freedom of thought and opinion is a human right.

 

[qamar1990]

I can tell you two things: a) those are cool tats, no matter where they are.

Secondly, a lot of people from the West and post-Soviet bloc have come to join the Terrorists; would you believe, that there are British nationals and Europeans who are now fighting in Syria as a part of the Jihad? Here's another thing to notice: the main branch of the terrorists that's active in Pakistan (we're the kitchen for terrorists, we've all things in the mix, yaye us!) are the Salafists/Wahabists that believe in sectarian clensing: anti-Shia/Hazara movements; this trend has been noted as far back as 2004.

I would like for you to know another thing in Who Becomes a Terrorist and Why , it was seen that many populace which came into the fold were told to have 'Westernised' exteriors, to allow a better blending in. The chief technical terrorist of the 9/11 attack was a Turk with a German girlfriend (non-Muslim). Many senior members of the Al-Qa'ida were deliberately directed to assimilate 'culture' (Al-Qa'ida Handbook, p. 34), that would include having tats, drinking beer, maybe watching Simpson.

That explains the repeated ethnic diversity that's been seen in busted terrorist cells all around the world from Europe to Pakistan check this out: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/11427995_24

Now you're going to reply about a grand conspiracy perhaps, I give you the benefit of the doubt but then produce some evidence from credible sources (academic articles, empirical proofs, and so on please no Zaid Hamid).

Toodles.

PS Iran has been the target of Salfists as well, considering you know they're Shias.

so that would most terrrorists are people like you and @Secur? lol

 

[Secur]

you secularist nut-jobs are some piece of work i swear to god.
i don't mean burst you people bubble but you people are insignificant in pakistan, no body cares what you people say or think. the whole show you people put up of being "politically correct" and "open minded" is all for the west and indians, your not doing this for your fellow pakistanis we know this.
now back to the Malala issue, most people who i know that think their is a conspiracy with the issue is that the poor girl is going to be used by the west and that she will be exploited and brainwashed. Very few people actually believe that she is in on some bigger conspiracy lol. everybody is concerned that she will be brian washed in the west and sent to pakistan to run for elections and destroy our country like zardari. i have my concerns as well.
so the first utmost thing that your secularists left wing nuts need to do is back off and let any pakistani have any opinion he or she prefers , freedom of thought and opinion is a human right.

You know personal attacks are the first signs of losing an argument ? I am sure you have already done so from the start here . Define the word " secular " for me and then tell me , how did you come to the conlcusion that I am a secular person first of all . Leave the rest for now . Second , the moderates/seculars aren't going to kill you because of mere difference of opinion/views/belief , this we all leave to the extremists . Third , the word " insignificant " is insignificant itself here , since the confused Pakistani nation doesn't even know its friends and enemies properly . Forget about people caring about anything , they are more concerned ensuring their survival in this country , you on the other hand can write this thing whilst living in the comfort and security of the country , you so hate and detest . Yes , we are open minded since we listen to everyone's views and do not make personal attacks because of differing point of views , as you have in the start . As for the Indians and Americans , my country takes precedence over anyone and any country , let me make this abundantly clear .

Yes , well everything is a conspiracy for some people . Paranoia is a normal state of mind . Everything endorsed or supported or any and all things West are wrong and must be stopped . I know the prevailing mindsets in my country . Does the West have a shortage of political and military leaders in Pakistan ready to do their bidding to waste time on a little girl shot brutally by " so called Muslims " ? Enlighten me about this . Ask your dear Taliban not to kill people in the name of religion and because they criticize and oppose them and the world will not have the chance to brainwash anybody . Claim as much as you like , boy , because talk is cheap and most of your post is again an indication of conspiracy theory/rumor/hearsay believed over " established facts " . Quote me when your friends start to allow the same " freedom of speech/thought/expression " .

 

[Secur]

so that would most terrrorists are people like you and @Secur? lol

Actually , your flags are the one which show the United States of America . Try not to waste time responding on posts , you do not really understand and make yourself look silly by these childish one liners . The post you quoted explained a very sensitive phenomenon and represented a deep insight and knowledge in these matters and instead of responding positively , you are again back to being " personal " . Interesting .

 

[Secur]

I can say that I have read some parts of this book & I have mentioned 1 in another thread ... Second thing those terrorists who are involved in terrorism/maiming/harassment & they are murderer of 64000 thousand Pakistanis

That is good , you can even scan copies of the objectionable matter and expose her . Lets see what she has wrote to make it so against " Islam and Pakistan " . Even if I accept for the sake of argument the foreign support to TTP , they are still the same bearded Mullahs using the Madarsa kids using the insane logic of " kill Pakistanis because Muslims are being killed elsewhere " , my friend . No one denies the outside interference completely , but no one should also deny that radicalized masses actually support those terrorists and donate them money . The terrorists you are dealing , is a by product of the imported ideology and the so called Mujahideen brought in the 80's , the plan has backfired . The monster we created is killing us now . Is that hard to understand ? How exactly does the denial mode about the persistent support and sympathy to extremists in Pakistan by the common people help ?

@jaibi posted a nice article on the financial aspects of TTP and it being self reliant , funding itself through various criminal activities in Pakistan , do check it out .

 

[Patriots]

That is good , you can even scan copies of the objectionable matter and expose her . Lets see what she has wrote to make it so against " Islam and Pakistan " . Even if I accept for the sake of argument the foreign support to TTP , they are still the same bearded Mullahs using the Madarsa kids using the insane logic of " kill Pakistanis because Muslims are being killed elsewhere " , my friend . No one denies the outside interference completely , but no one should also deny that radicalized masses actually support those terrorists and donate them money . The terrorists you are dealing , is a by product of the imported ideology and the so called Mujahideen brought in the 80's , the plan has backfired . The monster we created is killing us now . Is that hard to understand ? How exactly does the denial mode about the persistent support and sympathy to extremists in Pakistan by the common people help ?

@jaibi posted a nice article on the financial aspects of TTP and it being self reliant , funding itself through various criminal activities in Pakistan , do check it out .

I admit that in 80's many Pakistanis were supporting to Mujahideens ... Although I don't think jihad to the war against Russian invasion ... That was actually American interests war in South Asia ... But at that time America declared to bearded mullahs 'Mujahideen' so Pakistanis said the same to them ... But now America declared to same bearded mullahs 'Terrorists' so we must say the same to them .......

Anyways Pakistani agencies don't think to Afghan Taliban terrorists ... They are freedom fighters ... These TTP scumbags created by CIA while USA had seen that Pakistan is his coalition partner and supporting secretly to Afghan Taliban too ... So therefore CIA had been given a task to create same Afghan situation in Pakistan ... Then in 2004 TTP had been created & targeted to Pakistanis directly ... While some TTP Sardars got understood their game they had been killed via drones ... Simple is that .............

Anyhow I am posting a article below which will prove that TTP is getting funds through CIA & RAW ... Must read it ............
http://spyeyesnews.blogspot.com/2013/08/tereek-e-taliban-pakistan-ttp-created.html

 

[jaibi]

Dude, the thing is that wherever anyone looks they find that. Salafists and there is a reason for that: the CIA trained them on this stuff.

Aah what a logic you have given .............

Anyways Salafist are not terrorist nor they are found involving in terrorist activities in any country ... For you information TTP men has not Salafi believes ...................

 

[jaibi]

I don't know. Do I scare you?

so that would most terrrorists are people like you and @Secur? lol

 

[jaibi]

Do you know how funds are transferred b/w such organisations? There's data available since the 70s about it; they still work the same way: they create their own enterprise, mate. It's not easy to move funds.

I admit that in 80's many Pakistanis were supporting to Mujahideens ... Although I don't think jihad to the war against Russian invasion ... That was actually American interests war in South Asia ... But at that time America declared to bearded mullahs 'Mujahideen' so Pakistanis said the same to them ... But now America declared to same bearded mullahs 'Terrorists' so we must say the same to them .......

Anyways Pakistani agencies don't think to Afghan Taliban terrorists ... They are freedom fighters ... These TTP scumbags created by CIA while USA had seen that Pakistan is his coalition partner and supporting secretly to Afghan Taliban too ... So therefore CIA had been given a task to create same Afghan situation in Pakistan ... Then in 2004 TTP had been created & targeted to Pakistanis directly ... While some TTP Sardars got understood their game they had been killed via drones ... Simple is that .............

Anyhow I am posting a article below which will prove that TTP is getting funds through CIA & RAW ... Must read it ............
http://spyeyesnews.blogspot.com/2013/08/tereek-e-taliban-pakistan-ttp-created.html