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Swedish mosque set ablaze

Absolutely agree with you, Europe has two major problems that seem to be unsolveable, one is very high costs of social wellfare and the other is aging population.

There is obvously something wrong with immigration policy here, this coming from a Turk in Europe, now imagine the extend of the problem.


One solution would be re-industrialisation of the continent but that would require the corporations forfeting the money they make on the outsorcing of their industries to emerging markets.In a nutshell,our greed is killing us.
 
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One solution would be re-industrialisation of the continent but that would require the corporations forfeting the money they make on the outsorcing of their industries to emerging markets.In a nutshell,our greed is killing us.
Workfoce in Europe is too expensive, automatization is the only solution.
 
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Workfoce in Europe is too expensive, automatization is the only solution.

But that will still leave you with the unemployement problem which wouldn't be a problem if the corporations would just give the resulting profits to the state who will redirect them to the citizens.But they won't.And so,in this vicious circle,we're victims of our own success,cozy life style and openess to the world.Actually,Western Europe is,not "we" ,countries like mine just drown because we are in the wrong place,wrong time ,in wrong company,altough we weren't successfull in the begining.
 
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and you look like someone still stuck in the 80's
plus quit typing like you are using a type writer

I dont know which is worse, him writing in capslock or you thinking typewriters can only type in capitals...
 
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Workfoce in Europe is too expensive, automatization is the only solution.

Xenon it being expensive is not the real issue, but the embezzlement of taxpayers money is, I have worked at many different places and had lots of different jobs and the only thing I hear is how to fraud the system.
 
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Wouldnt be surprised if it was a muslim tbh, Sweden has alot of nutjob "muslims" (the type who describe themselves at muslim but openly sell drugs and chase after women)
 
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Sweden is hit hard by Islamic extremism and a lot of ISIS followers are residing in Sweden, not to mention there is a rape epidemic of Muslim immigrants raping/targeting Swedish women on a daily basis.

I'm not condoning/justifying this action of burning the Mosque, but the Muslims themselves are to blame for this. You don't see Swedes burning hindu temples or Jewish synagogues.


You are condoning the action its like blaming the victim

Its like saying rape is the womens fault for the way she dresses, regardless of the way she dress rape is never justified

ISIS and Al aqaeda are using recent western actions (lies and deception over wars in iraq etc) and past few centuries of colonial occupation and abuse to justify slaughter



Justifying ISIS actions is as acceptable/unacceptable as justifying this attack on a mosque
 
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It's just create more tension and hate among both extremist sides, Swedish government should take hard action for both.
 
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An arsonist set fire to a mosque in the Swedish town of Eskilstuna on Thursday, injuring five people, police said, according to the BBC.

About 15 to 20 people were attending midday prayers in the mosque, located in the ground floor of a residential building, when the fire broke out.

Local media footage showed smoke and flames billowing from the windows before firefighters put the blaze out.

The incident comes amid a fierce debate in Sweden over immigration policies.

The far right wants to cut the number of asylum seekers allowed into Sweden by 90%, while mainstream parties are intent on preserving the country's liberal policy.

"A witness saw somebody throw an object through the window of the building, which serves as a mosque, after which a violent fire began," police spokesman Lars Franzell told reporters, according to the BBC.

Five people were taken to hospital for treatment of injuries ranging from smoke inhalation to lacerations, he said.

Police are treating the incident as arson but no arrests have been made so far, Franzell added.

Eskilstuna, which has a large immigrant population, was the scene of clashes involving neo-Nazi groups opposed to Sweden's immigration policy earlier this year, the report said.

On December 3, the Sweden Democrats - a populist party with a strongly anti-immigration agenda - brought down the minority governing coalition after it had been in power for just two-and-a-half months, by refusing to support its budget plans.

Swedish mosque set ablaze, five injured | Al Bawaba

Now Imagine a situation if this would have happened in India.
 
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You are condoning the action its like blaming the victim

Its like saying rape is the womens fault for the way she dresses, regardless of the way she dress rape is never justified

ISIS and Al aqaeda are using recent western actions (lies and deception over wars in iraq etc) and past few centuries of colonial occupation and abuse to justify slaughter



Justifying ISIS actions is as acceptable/unacceptable as justifying this attack on a mosque
So why aren't hindu temples being burnt anywhere in the West??

Why aren't Buddhist temples being burnt anywhere in the West??
 
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The Swedes are warm and liberal people.

This was the work of extremist, probably a lone wolf.


ISIS supporters of Europe are provoking non Muslims to change there attitude towards Islam,.... It is reaction of radical political Islam by Human...
 
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I've been struggling with this ideea for years,back and forth.There's no way that goverments can keep a closed eye to all those retards or welcome them to Europe,unless they're using them for something.Hope to God i'm wrong though.

And yes,if i'm right,it's not the muslim community's fault but the powers that be.


Wouldn't it be smarter to encourage the native populations to reproduce at a higher rate through social programs initiated by their respective gov.t's??

One solution would be re-industrialisation of the continent but that would require the corporations forfeting the money they make on the outsorcing of their industries to emerging markets.In a nutshell,our greed is killing us.
Capitalism will bring about the eventual downfall of the West. A corporation/company should never benefit at the expense of the people from whom it financially gains.

Wouldnt be surprised if it was a muslim tbh, Sweden has alot of nutjob "muslims" (the type who describe themselves at muslim but openly sell drugs and chase after women)
Not only in Sweden, they're all over the West.
 
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If this is true than it should be brought to attention and tackled rather than brushed under the carpet. It’s unjust to the victims and does not help the Pakistani community etc. I just don’t agree with them saying Muslims. If they have to classify them it should be by their ethnicity. If this crime was committed from a person from another religion they would never bring it up. Them raping has nothing to do with them being Muslim.

P.S Front page mag is Neocon/Zionist website that is highly biased and not what I call reliable.
Regarding the reliability of one of the links i provided, that is irrelevant when the facts are obvious.

When you know something is a fact it does not matter what source is reporting on it when fact is fact, whether its your favorite source reporting on it or not.

It is a fact that Muslim immigrant males see non-Muslim women, particularly White women, as fare game for rape and sexual harassment. It doesn't matter if these Muslims are religious or not, all of them hold a similar view:


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Most of these Muslim immigrant youths aren't tough. They can only get away with doing this kind of stuff because they are protected by the Liberal/Leftist establishment which has tied down the Europeans from defending themselves. But, time will come when the Muslim immigrants in Europe will feel the heat, even our so called "good Muslims" who chose to remain silent while our coreligionists wreaked havoc in the name of our religion.​

Actually the number of Europeans (European nationals) that have joined ISIS does not exceed 2500 from what I recall and a very large percentage of those are actually native converts.

That happened (the thing you describde in your last sentence) in Oslo in a area that is well-known for being inhabited by Somalian people. It's basically a ghetto.

The most well-known proponent of ISIS in Norway is actually a Norwegian Islamist (Arslan Maroof Hussain) of Pakistani descent;



SV-tiltak mot ekstreme islamister - nyheter - Dagbladet.no

The problem is that a relative small (if not a tiny) minority among Muslims are causing trouble and mostly those are children of the lowest social classes. Meaning either people that wanted to escape their countries of origin due to their economic situation (often used political persecution as an excuse) or war refugees. Very few highly educated persons of Muslim background have emigrated to Europe (compared to those immigrants of a lower social class) and they never cause any trouble outside the 1-2 odd cases.

Basically those people and their descendants would have caused (or had the potential at least) similar problems in their native lands.

From my experience in France and Denmark and elsewhere in Europe the average Muslim is doing all-right and many of the descendants of Muslim settlers are actually outperforming the locals academically. This is evident in universities in various countries were people of Muslim heritage are overrepresented compared to their actual percentage of the total population (which is at most 10% as in France but usually less than 5%). Especially Muslim females.

Besides my impression is also that the second and third generations of Muslim immigrants are becoming more and more indistinguishable from the local natives and less religious for each year contrary to popular belief.

It is perfectly normal to see 10-20% of night club guests etc. at a night out in Paris or Copenhagen being of a obvious Muslim background. Seen that countless of times.

Anyway we never hear about those average Muslim Joe's in the media or the successful ones as they are not interesting. Only the few retards get all the publicity and many people base their sole knowledge about Islam and Muslims and impressions on that tiny minority.

That's just how it is.

Oh, regarding this news of this thread then it was not really a mosque but rather a room in a basement that is part of a larger housing complex. Basically there are no "real" mosques in Scandinavia aside from 10-15 mosques if not less. On top of my head that is.
This "mosque" in question belonged to a Somali community center that was based in a suburb of Western Stockholm.

Having ties to both world's and actually having lived in both "Christian" and "Muslim" countries gives me a good background to make such conclusions.

Lastly on the European right (politically wise) it is very common to blame Muslims for all the problems regardless of it being total bogus or partially correct. So that's also why you have the publicity that you currently have.

I am not sure how it is in the US as I have only studied in the US for 1 year (California) and I did not meet many Muslims aside from Arab students and other Muslim students here and there.

If you want more information then just ask.

P.S: No Western European countries accept non-European immigration (they are becoming very harsh toward Eastern Europeans that are even a part of EU) to the extend that they once did. The crisis in Syria and Iraq have changed that a bit recently but those new migrants (war refugees) are not guaranteed citizenship and probably won't receive it outside of those educated ones that the societies can use to their benefit economically.
Well, if all of what you say is true and majority of Muslim immigrants are successful and outperform their native European counterparts in academics and other fields and thus represent the great majority of Europe's Muslim immigrant population, then why is there growing anti-Muslim sentiments amongst Europeans and an increase in extremist Islamist views amongst European Muslims???

It is easy to say that the right wingers just want to blame Muslims, but then why are these right wingers gaining support, albeit steadily, but support nonetheless, if their fears of Muslims are indeed baseless??

In the last E.U. elections far right parties made significant gains for the first time since the mid 20th century.

Far-right parties sweep EU polls - Europe - Al Jazeera English

For the first time in Germany since WW2, Germans came out united in large numbers in an anti-immigration/anti-Muslim demonstration. And not only in Germany, but all throughout Europe. Its almost like a Nationalist reawakening throughout all of Europe.

20,000 Germans March In Anti-Islam Demonstration In Dresden - The Independent

Record 17,000 join 'Pinstripe Nazi' anti-Islam march in Germany | World news | theguardian.com

Rise of far-right: Thousands rally at anti-Islam protest in Germany — RT News

Sudden Rise of Far Right Groups in EU Parliament Rings Alarm Bells Across Europe | Elinadav Heymann

The rise of far right parties across Europe is a chilling echo of the 1930s | John Palmer | Comment is free | The Guardian


People might claim that these are "just fringe elements of European society", etc..., but clearly that is not true. These are average Europeans, mostly younger generation ones who fear for the future of their ancestral homelands, and rightfully so, just as im sure anyone else would.

And sure, you are correct that the extremist Muslims give good Muslims a bad name and they most certainly do not represent Islam. However, there is an issue here, and that is the good Muslims who claim to be in the majority don't exert their power and influence to combating the extremism and rather allow it to flourish. The biggest example of this is how Muslim countries have allowed ISIS and similar extremist groups to spread from one Muslim country to another and yet expect America or another foreign power to come a clean up the mess.

There is no point that on one hand a Muslim should explain to a non-Muslims that "most Muslims are good, most Muslim not like ISIS" while on the other hand turn a blind eye to the crimes of ISIS and similar organizations and expect someone else to come an clean up the mess.
 
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